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Flaxbourton Red

Flaxbourton Red

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How many ordinary fans have the skills and knowledge that are necessary to make the kind of decisions that all football club executives make on a regular basis?

When you say 'infuence' the way their club is run,what exactly do you mean?

Should Gary Johnson check with the fan base when it comes to signing players?

Should Steve Lansdown check with the fan base when it comes to what manager he would like to appoint?

Should Colin Sexstone ask the fans what company should sponsor our shirts?

Should Doug Harman ballot the fans on what PA system to put into AG?

Should the head groundsman ask the fans what type of grass he should lay?

Should Roger Pearce ask the fans on the best way to manage the clubs accounts?

Should the fans be involved in negociating the catering franchise?

The list is almost endless....

common sense would indicate which questions the club should pay heed to its fans, when considering certain questions.

without its fans there is no bristol city

as for shirt sponsor and catering contract, I'm sure plenty of us would be more than willing to advise the club.

I would make an excellent pasty taster/expert.

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Guest North Street

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How many ordinary fans have the skills and knowledge that are necessary to make the kind of decisions that all football club executives make on a regular basis?

When you say 'infuence' the way their club is run,what exactly do you mean?

Should Gary Johnson check with the fan base when it comes to signing players?

Should Steve Lansdown check with the fan base when it comes to what manager he would like to appoint?

Should Colin Sexstone ask the fans what company should sponsor our shirts?

Should Doug Harman ballot the fans on what PA system to put into AG?

Should the head groundsman ask the fans what type of grass he should lay?

Should Roger Pearce ask the fans on the best way to manage the clubs accounts?

Should the fans be involved in negociating the catering franchise?

The list is almost endless....

Another day another cast to the far bank.

You know excatly what is meant by supporters consultation

But by taking the attitude you do saves having to do any work or justify your cosy representative role at board meeetings.

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Guest North Street

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I think we have very different perspectives on what 'consultation' means - why don't you explain how you interpret it if you can...

You do it after all it is your role at board meetings is it not?

How many representations have you so far made to the board on behalf of fellow fans?

Be specific of what your role at board meetings actually is.

Lastly a good comparison to yourself would be the trust liaising with support, organising meetings and seeking information from others sometimes in a better position to give it to them over an issue such as the East End.Unlike you they do not imply City fans are thick [you have in the past] and cannot understand the rudiments of how parts of their club is run.

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badger22

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exactly. itll be deeper and taller from what i read.

also, the capacity will rise to 21,000 AFTER segregation, wherever that will be. with the new stand holding 5,300. sounds like a roundabout way of saying that away fans will be moved.

Ive only just noticed that Giles look like Toadfish from Neighbours......

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NickJ

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wait a min.........a football club, that doesn't make a profit? and actually makes heavy losses each and every season???

WHATEVER NEXT?

perhaps we should employ a couple of jap's and do an annual tour of asia?

but hey......let's just constantly hammer Lansdown who is doing his best in what is an ever losing business, he's done as good a job as anyone in the last 15-20 years and lets be honest, none of them have done ANYTHING of note,

without wanting to be rude, your feelings about Steve Lansdown and his dealings are well documented and are compable to Ashtonyate and the academy, so personally I'm taking your views with a pinch of salt and with a hint of a personal grudge in everything he does.

To answer your first sentence - the assets were steadily built up over a number of years, proving that it is possible for a football club to avoid losses. SteveL's stated aim is indeed that.

Not saying Lansdown isnt doing his best, but in your world that means I cannot have an opinion if it differs to that of the club, right?

To answer your final sentence. You are being rude, because you are alluding to something which is probably not correct and in any case not relevant to this thread. Tell me specifically what I have said about my "feelings about Steve Lansdown and his dealings " and I will answer them, if you like.

There is no personal grudge, I have no need for that. There is simply a desire for the fans of Bristol City to be given the club they want, not one which SteveL et al want us to have - if we do not make our feelings known, how do the club know? This forum, and the ST, are the best means available to do that.

Sorry I don't always toe the party line.

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Sorry I don't always toe the party line.

And neither do I - especially not your 'party line' and because of that you personally abuse me and when someone else dishes your own medicine out to you - you call them 'rude'!

Pot, kettle?

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Port Said Red

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Are you sure it holds 5,500? It seemed to be pretty full when Coventry brought their guys down, and they brought 2-3000 (no official figure on the Site).

As someone has mentioned Coventry, I think the Ricoh is a fine example of what can happen. When we went there for the replay my initial thoughts were, "nice stadium, why did they plonk it here with little or no parking included?" Inside the ground it looked impressive if a little soulless to begin with, but then it was less than half full for the game itself which just added to that soulless and dull feeling.

Bristol sports fans are notoriously fickle, should we really be trying to increase the capacity to such an extent that the ground is only full when the floating supporters turn up for the big cup games etc?

I would rather have people begging for tickets for the big games than sit in a half empty stadium for 3/4 of season. I think it is right to make smaller changes, allowing for a gradual build of support over a hopefully stable period, this makes more sense to me.

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As someone has mentioned Coventry, I think the Ricoh is a fine example of what can happen. When we went there for the replay my initial thoughts were, "nice stadium, why did they plonk it here with little or no parking included?" Inside the ground it looked impressive if a little soulless to begin with, but then it was less than half full for the game itself which just added to that soulless and dull feeling.

Bristol sports fans are notoriously fickle, should we really be trying to increase the capacity to such an extent that the ground is only full when the floating supporters turn up for the big cup games etc?

I would rather have people begging for tickets for the big games than sit in a half empty stadium for 3/4 of season. I think it is right to make smaller changes, allowing for a gradual build of support over a hopefully stable period, this makes more sense to me.

i noticed that the seats around where i was sat were incredibly dirty, as if nobody had sat there all season

perhaps coventry had taken their emblem a little too seriously building that giant white elephant of a ground

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exactly. itll be deeper and taller from what i read.

also, the capacity will rise to 21,000 AFTER segregation, wherever that will be. with the new stand holding 5,300. sounds like a roundabout way of saying that away fans will be moved.

Of course they will. They will go back to the end where they ALWAYS used to be, no problem.

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Of course they will. They will go back to the end where they ALWAYS used to be, no problem.

i know its not really a major issue, but, where would the tunnel go then? cos i doubt the club will want the players running out of the stand where 3,000 away fans will be would they?

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Drew Peacock

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This forum, and the ST, are the best means available to do that.

Absolutely no way is this forum the best way to let the club know supporters feelings.

By the time you ignore the postings of the fishers, ashtonyate, the axe grinders, the completely inconsistent arguers and the clinically insane there isn't much of any relevance left.

It's all a bit like a pub near closing time, an awful lot of irrelevant rambling, incoherent mumbling and people spoiling for a fight.

I sincerely hope that the club do not take any notice of this forum.

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Bristol Boy

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How many ordinary fans have the skills and knowledge that are necessary to make the kind of decisions that all football club executives make on a regular basis?

Quite a few run much bigger businesses-What's an ordinary fan?

When you say 'infuence' the way their club is run,what exactly do you mean?

Influence what goes on is a business you love and pay for a season in advance-Not a bad deal for the club

Should Gary Johnson check with the fan base when it comes to signing players?

Based on some of the deals we've done-Dinning for example-YES the manager should because fans of the selling clubs are never wrong

Should Steve Lansdown check with the fan base when it comes to what manager he would like to appoint?

Could have saved us a few bob over the years-Luton did it with Newell

Should Colin Sexstone ask the fans what company should sponsor our shirts?

Yes-There may be some people with ethical views or someone with a great idea about selling them

Should Doug Harman ballot the fans on what PA system to put into AG?

Is Doug a PA expert-We may have a fan who designs them for a living and has just sorted out Old Traffords

Should the head groundsman ask the fans what type of grass he should lay?

He may well use a specialist and he is a skilled tradesman

Should Roger Pearce ask the fans on the best way to manage the clubs accounts?

Our Auditors or SL for example

Should the fans be involved in negociating the catering franchise?

Would it be worse than the current standard?

The list is almost endless....

It's certainly meaningless!

Look-Whilst we may, like many clubs, include knuckle dragging neanderthals in our number, it is also true to say that we also have a huge amount of people with business acumen, self made millionaires, builders, designers etc, etc and they might, just might, have some idea, of what they're talking about on numerous subjects.

They might be able to offer their services at a knock down price in comparision to the outside market place who don't share their love of BCFC.

Their opinins are certainly valid.

It's a thought-Isn't it??

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As someone has mentioned Coventry, I think the Ricoh is a fine example of what can happen. When we went there for the replay my initial thoughts were, "nice stadium, why did they plonk it here with little or no parking included?" Inside the ground it looked impressive if a little soulless to begin with, but then it was less than half full for the game itself which just added to that soulless and dull feeling.

Bristol sports fans are notoriously fickle, should we really be trying to increase the capacity to such an extent that the ground is only full when the floating supporters turn up for the big cup games etc?

I would rather have people begging for tickets for the big games than sit in a half empty stadium for 3/4 of season. I think it is right to make smaller changes, allowing for a gradual build of support over a hopefully stable period, this makes more sense to me.

Bristol sports fans are notoriously fickle, should we really be trying to increase the capacity to such an extent that the ground is only full when the floating supporters turn up for the big cup games etc?

Have another go at the fans why don't you, the fans are not fickle but fed up with the crap they get dished up.

Lets hope things improve now with Johnson because if the board don't back him he will be off.

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NickJ

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Absolutely no way is this forum the best way to let the club know supporters feelings.

By the time you ignore the postings of the fishers, ashtonyate, the axe grinders, the completely inconsistent arguers and the clinically insane there isn't much of any relevance left.

It's all a bit like a pub near closing time, an awful lot of irrelevant rambling, incoherent mumbling and people spoiling for a fight.

I sincerely hope that the club do not take any notice of this forum.

But they read it and clearly do take notice, that is how certain proposed unpopular actions have been put in check.

You may not like it, but thats why absolutely this forum is the most efficient place to let the club know what the fans think.

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But they read it and clearly do take notice, that is how certain proposed unpopular actions have been put in check.

You may not like it, but thats why absolutely this forum is the most efficient place to let the club know what the fans think.

So if they're reading this they will therefore note that the majority of fans think the Board are doing a pretty good job at developing the ground (which I think is where this thread started) and that those who doubt the competence of the Chairman in particular are a very small minority.

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In fairness, it would take about a day to knock the current stand down. Maybe they plan on doing a lot of the remedial before the season's over?

maybe a little longer than a day after all they have to have a team to clear asbestos.make sure all electrics have been isolated and pull it down from top to bottom.health and safty slows all things down

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Port Said Red

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Bristol sports fans are notoriously fickle, should we really be trying to increase the capacity to such an extent that the ground is only full when the floating supporters turn up for the big cup games etc?

Have another go at the fans why don't you, the fans are not fickle but fed up with the crap they get dished up.

Lets hope things improve now with Johnson because if the board don't back him he will be off.

I am not having a go at the fans, but the evidence is that it takes something special to get the bristol PUBLIC off their arses.

I know what puts them off, it's turning up to watch a game of football only to find themselves sat to moaning ######s like you!

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So if they're reading this they will therefore note that the majority of fans think the Board are doing a pretty good job at developing the ground (which I think is where this thread started) and that those who doubt the competence of the Chairman in particular are a very small minority.

They will also note that a significant minority think there may be a better way. That's what debate is all about. Sometimes the minority have valid views which eventually become accepted by the majority. That may or not be the case here, but your comment smacks of saying that because a view is not shared by the majority it is not worthy of consideration.

Who says the Chairman is not competent? That is a very big statement, I don't recall anyone saying that.

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