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Eddie Hitler

Eddie Hitler

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This is where we will have to disagree, the rest of your post I would never question. IMO there are plenty of things you can do to socialise without endangering your health; including drinking in moderation. You don't really need to be that careful to live a good and safe life. So why endanger that?

I admire the fact you keep coming out fighting Ron; you are though arguing from a weak position.

Going back to an earlier reference Frank Skinner is an extremely successful comedian who has string of girlfiends and is extremely rich. He has done all this since stopping drinking.

Yet he has said frequently (to the annoyance of his girlfriends) that there is nothing to touch going down the pub with your mates and getting totally smashed for sheer unaldulterated pleasure and that the last time he was truly happy was on a specifc date in the early 80s (can't quote it) which was the last time he drank.

Your views Ron seem to stop at the first paragraph and on those terms it's a no-brainer. But the second paragraph shows it's never as simple as that which is what people are trying to tell you on this thread. Until you've done it you can't fully understand it.

For example I wouldn't lecture a heroin user; though I would push them towards a drugs counsellor. I know heroin is very bad for you but I don't know the pleasure they get from it so can't just dismiss them as a stupid junkie; it's always more complicated than that.

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bucksred

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You're a stereotypical c**k. Go get drunk & be sick in the gutter.

When you really,actually have experienced life, in all it fun packed glory, come back and prattle on. Otherwise pipe down son. Pot kettle and black spring to mind

:laugh: So the "Real World" is going to teach me to get falling down drunk every weekend? Great world.

and going on protest marches, following a healthy, environmentally sound, pure life and lecturing othersmakes you somehow better? :noexpression:

Your private school education has neither taught you manners, anything about life, nor people skills. you will make a WONDERFUL politician. you have all the right attributes already.

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bucksred

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Having grown up with a parent with an increasing problem with alcohol I can tell you that sometimes its no fun. I don't drink much myself, I can go weeks without a drink, but its up to each individual what they choose to spend their money on I guess.

Really not trying to preach, but having seen it from the very bad side, which did include violence and countless spoilt family occasions, even to this day, I can tell you that its not much fun sometimes.

Having had a similar problem with me dad on this topic, I agree with Dolls. There are some who cant take it, or cane it, and become an arse with it. That said, I do like the odd sherbet meself...I do try and keep in mind how me dad behaved though, cos it wasnt nice for everyone else.

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The ghost of Justin Fashanu

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This is where we will have to disagree, the rest of your post I would never question. IMO there are plenty of things you can do to socialise without endangering your health; including drinking in moderation. You don't really need to be that careful to live a good and safe life. So why endanger that?

It's all well and good living a "good" and "safe" life and never taking a risk, but thank god for our ancestors who did take risks. There's a pretty decent paper which was published in 1999 about risk taking and our ancestors. It's called something like "Evolution and attitudes to risk in win all games"

Its basic premise is that risk takers, in the long run, always "win" versus those who are risk averse. This is backed up by a retrospective investigation of evolution, such as those who took the risk and created fire.

Although I am by no means suggesting that the discovery of fire is on a par with drinking (either in moderation or with a full on binge) it does accurately illustrate what happens to those that live a "good" and "safe" life, always plodding along in the middle of the road and never taking any risks. This is not a problem for some, and I would suggest that if you are content then it doesn't matter what others think about your drinking or non drinking, but those risk takers will (in the long run) always prosper more than those who are risk averse.

I digress, without alcohol (or drugs) we wouldn't have many pieces of fine literature or music. You should know this as a private schoolboy. The following were either heavy drinkers or drug takers (opium being a particular favourite)

Shakespeare

Wordsworth

Keats

Clapton

Lennon

These 5 are just from the top of my head but there are many, many more.

People should be educated about the risk and then they can make informed decisions. The government peddle far to much mis-information about drink and drugs as it is. At the end of the day they should legalise all drugs and ringfence the money for education and rehabilitation.

Anyways, if you dislike our immoral, lecherous society so much then I will willingly chip in for a one way ticket to Tehran or any other health-facist state where you would, undoubtably, feel at home.

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Why, would you have liked to say that? If so, then in my eyes, unfortunately, yes.

I couldn't care less how you kill yourselves, since you are determined to do so, but you should be aware of the dangers & especially how it will impact on other people.

It really is a sad state of affairs if the general consensus of the Country I was born & live in feels that "getting drunk, falling over and getting hurt" is fun.

OI!!! this sanctimonious twaddle is starting to irritate. Its called "Freedom Of Choice". novel concept. cornerstone of Liberal Democracy. you know you get taught about it in school. If any of us choose to drink to excess, its their CHOICE. If it impinges on someone elses life, there is an issue, but IF I choose to get trollied (sorry Robins) and I aint affecting you. Tough. If youre on of these green types, Liberal Demoprats or Tones gang, you p iss me off, but thats your CHOICE. I have to accept your views, crass or not. Grow up, and get in the real world now, son.

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OI!!! this sanctimonious twaddle is starting to irritate. Its called "Freedom Of Choice". novel concept. cornerstone of Liberal Democracy. you know you get taught about it in school. If any of us choose to drink to excess, its their CHOICE. If it impinges on someone elses life, there is an issue, but IF I choose to get trollied (sorry Robins) and I aint affecting you. Tough. If youre on of these green types, Liberal Demoprats or Tones gang, you p iss me off, but thats your CHOICE. I have to accept your views, crass or not. Grow up, and get in the real world now, son.

Bucks I'm still getting the nightmares about trollies!! :(

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OI!!! this sanctimonious twaddle is starting to irritate. Its called "Freedom Of Choice". novel concept. cornerstone of Liberal Democracy. you know you get taught about it in school. If any of us choose to drink to excess, its their CHOICE. If it impinges on someone elses life, there is an issue, but IF I choose to get trollied (sorry Robins) and I aint affecting you. Tough. If youre on of these green types, Liberal Demoprats or Tones gang, you p iss me off, but thats your CHOICE. I have to accept your views, crass or not. Grow up, and get in the real world now, son.

Which is exactly what I said...

So Ron fancy meeting up for a cold one before the QPR game? You can call me that name you called me, but this time to my face if you want? :disapointed2se:

Scared. No, seriously. Just remember who went fishing.

Kinder, kinder, kinder, please define "Maturity" then, as youre so worldy wise.........

Moderation is certainly something supposed to come from maturity.

Your views Ron seem to stop at the first paragraph and on those terms it's a no-brainer. But the second paragraph shows it's never as simple as that which is what people are trying to tell you on this thread. Until you've done it you can't fully understand it.

For example I wouldn't lecture a heroin user; though I would push them towards a drugs counsellor. I know heroin is very bad for you but I don't know the pleasure they get from it so can't just dismiss them as a stupid junkie; it's always more complicated than that.

And that's fine. If you aware of the dangers and you chose that route, that's fine; so long as it is only you that is involved in that route.

Although I am by no means suggesting that the discovery of fire is on a par with drinking (either in moderation or with a full on binge) it does accurately illustrate what happens to those that live a "good" and "safe" life, always plodding along in the middle of the road and never taking any risks. This is not a problem for some, and I would suggest that if you are content then it doesn't matter what others think about your drinking or non drinking, but those risk takers will (in the long run) always prosper more than those who are risk averse.

Mostly true. However, IMO you have to have a mix of the two. For one, the "risk" is fairly unlikely to involve only yourself; if you're going to sit at home and drink your way through cans then that is by all means your perogative, you're damaging your own health but no one elses. Also, it's not very accurate to describe it as a "risk". Prolonged alcohol abuse will damage your insides.

It is all well and good saying "You don't know anything about it - What do the members of this thread know about Kidney disease? Yet you're mostly perfectly happy to say that you won't get it, that it won't affect you. Which is the whole reason I entered this thread in the first place, not to have a discussion about whether people should or shouldn't be allowed to binge...

This will be my last post on the subject. I am not going to continue this slagging match with people I don't want to have one with.

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Which is exactly what I said...

Scared. No, seriously. Just remember who went fishing.

Moderation is certainly something supposed to come from maturity.

And that's fine. If you aware of the dangers and you chose that route, that's fine; so long as it is only you that is involved in that route.

Mostly true. However, IMO you have to have a mix of the two. For one, the "risk" is fairly unlikely to involve only yourself; if you're going to sit at home and drink your way through cans then that is by all means your perogative, you're damaging your own health but no one elses. Also, it's not very accurate to describe it as a "risk". Prolonged alcohol abuse will damage your insides.

It is all well and good saying "You don't know anything about it - What do the members of this thread know about Kidney disease? Yet you're mostly perfectly happy to say that you won't get it, that it won't affect you. Which is the whole reason I entered this thread in the first place, not to have a discussion about whether people should or shouldn't be allowed to binge...

This will be my last post on the subject. I am not going to continue this slagging match with people I don't want to have one with.

Ron it wasnt a slagging match it was you who got all liberal and started preaching to people who are older than you and know how to be sensible. Re read the whole thread and tell me where people have slagged you off etc. You just need to chill out a bit and realise that people arent stupid and can have a drink without damaging their organs.

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Sir Colby-Tit

Sir Colby-Tit

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If you got woken up at 1:30 in the morning on a Saturday night, by some stupid drunk woman who is making a complete fool of herself, you can't exactly say "you have nothing to complain about"..

Pfft, wait till you're married young Ronald - you just described my average Saturday night.

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bucksred

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ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh Ron,

what music do you like my little puritan you? What books do you read? What TV do ya watch? Which Films do ya like?

Cant be many acts over the last 40 years who's best music hasn't been made under the influence of alcohol, drugs or both.

Cant be many comedians who didnt have a drink or four.

Or Authors.

Or military & political leaders.

Indeed much of society in the Wests most influential cultural icons have liked the booze.

On the other hand you have puritanical t@ssers like Hitler, Himmler, Shrub, Mugabe...aint they contributed to our world in a positive way. NOT.

and sorry Olly C, OC was another puritanical bar steward, top republican or not.

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Pickle Rick

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So Ron fancy meeting up for a cold one before the QPR game? You can call me that name you called me, but this time to my face if you want? :disapointed2se:

That would be a great idea! I'll come along too just to see him build up the courage to say it. Saying that, he'd need a computer in front of him first to build a nerve. :surrender:

Grow up a bit, little Ron and maybe grow some real balls before you try giving lectures, infact go do some homework instead of fannying around on here, ta.

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i_am_red

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That would be a great idea! I'll come along too just to see him build up the courage to say it. Saying that, he'd need a computer in front of him first to build a nerve. :surrender:

Grow up a bit, little Ron and maybe grow some real balls before you try giving lectures, infact go do some homework instead of fannying around on here, ta.

wanna get high?

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That would be a great idea! I'll come along too just to see him build up the courage to say it. Saying that, he'd need a computer in front of him first to build a nerve. :surrender:

Unfortunately both you and Collis co-incidentally fail to notice the goading which took place before my reaction; and not just being called a "nerd".

And whether you agree with me or not, you cannot say "grow up" when referring to posts on "getting pissed". It is a paradox.

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Unfortunately both you and Collis co-incidentally fail to notice the goading which took place before my reaction; and not just being called a "nerd".

And whether you agree with me or not, you cannot say "grow up" when referring to posts on "getting pissed". It is a paradox.

not trying to start anything but you complain about being called a nerd and then you use the word paradox, is this some kind of paranoid box?

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