Mr Mosquito Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 It's not pedantic - you're just twisting yourself inside out. You said Hitler encouraged smoking and drinking and our government encouraged us not to do either. They're the same thing - just that our government is encouraging (according to you) things that do not cost the NHS and police (ultimately our taxes) huge amounts of money to put right. Your view seems to be that anyone should be able to do anything they want to do no matter what the impact on other people. So does that make it ok for me to drink myself stupid, get in fights, cost the police money, have liver and heart failure that means I then cost the NHS money. I then wish to throw paint at strangers, deface property, plant a few bombs here and there, smash a few telephone boxes, perhaps damage a few train lines before indulging in a smack addiction that sees me beat up grannies for money and require hugely expensive treatment from the state. All ok with you? Cool because if the government tried to deter me I'd call them nanny-state - they should get their nose out of my life. I'll do what I want and I don't care who it affects - family, friends, public. Actually, Adolf Hitler used to give speeches in beer halls - e.g. his audience was in rapturous applause slapping their beer steins on the tables as Hitler gave his famous Stalingrad speech. At the end of the day you're a nanny state apologist and a cultural assassin. You're defending the indefensible - no way should people be detered from drinking and smoking as it's part of the culture of this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbert Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Surely not clean living Ron had a drinky or two? I think he may have had half a shandy at the weekend and ended up with a little bit of a sore head. Anyway, Ron has asked me to post this:- I heard this thread was re-opened, and had a chance to read a few of my old posts. I'll freely admit I was a know-it-all little tit and although some of what I said had some valid premise, I certainly wouldn't comment on this topic in quite the same vain now. Although, after how I felt on Sunday morning maybe I will change my mind soon. Sorry again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Actually, Adolf Hitler used to give speeches in beer halls - e.g. his audience was in rapturous applause slapping their beer steins on the tables as Hitler gave his famous Stalingrad speech. At the end of the day you're a nanny state apologist and a cultural assassin. You're defending the indefensible - no way should people be detered from drinking and smoking as it's part of the culture of this country. You're a *unacceptable word* and Communist apologist defending the indefensible and not even attempting to reply to my points. Part of the culture of this country!?! What planet are you on? There is drink and fags in every country - not just ours, it's hardly our culture. In fact many countries drink far more and many smoke far more. Anyway being "part of the culture" doesn't make it right. Moderate centre-right politics is part of our culture but you don't like that. Racism, slavery, colonisation, monarchy, male-only vote were also part of the culture of this country but we changed them and rightly so I'm sure you'll agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Yep thats right. Say whatever you like about Hitler, yeah he killed a few jews here and there, but at least he encouraged drinking and smoking. And the trains ran on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 You're a *unacceptable word* and Communist apologist defending the indefensible and not even attempting to reply to my points. Part of the culture of this country!?! What planet are you on? There is drink and fags in every country - not just ours, it's hardly our culture. In fact many countries drink far more and many smoke far more. Anyway being "part of the culture" doesn't make it right. Moderate centre-right politics is part of our culture but you don't like that. Racism, slavery, colonisation, monarchy, male-only vote were also part of the culture of this country but we changed them and rightly so I'm sure you'll agree. You're a health fascist supporting - what will become - the banning of alcohol in this country. Moomin Liberation Army was right in initially stating that the health fascists will be coming after alcohol next and you - Percy Parrot - seem to be one of those health fascists - or are you on a wind up? :noexpression: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 And the trains ran on time. That is said of Mussolini rather than Hitler but yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmabbuttshair Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Another in a keyboard war with Gobbers, do people never learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 To be pedantic that was Mussolini To be even more pedantic there is no evidence that Mussolini made the trains run on time. This was propaganda from his part that he made things such as trains functional, it was a key part of convincing the public that this new political system returned real benefits to people. In fact the limited improvement of trains during his rule was more a result of post WWI upgrades that had taken place before his rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Another in a keyboard war with Gobbers, do people never learn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Another in a keyboard war with Gobbers, do people never learn? Moomin's initial post is an early warning of what's to come. The Government have issued the '1 In 6 People Have A Drink Problem' declaration via the Departmeant of Health. All the health zealots will be jumping on the band wagon - as witnessed by some of the replies on this thread - then all of a sudden we'll get a drink ban on football matchdays etc. I never thought they'd get smoking banned from here, there and everywhere but they have. Whatever yarn the Government apologists like to spin, our Government is run by anti Libertarian fascists that grovel to their fascist bosses in the European Union High Command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Moomin's initial post is an early warning of what's to come. The Government have issued the '1 In 6 People Have A Drink Problem' declaration via the Departmeant of Health. All the health zealots will be jumping on the band wagon - as witnessed by some of the replies on this thread - then all of a sudden we'll get a drink ban on football matchdays etc. I never thought they'd get smoking banned from here, there and everywhere but they have. Whatever yarn the Government apologists like to spin, our Government is run by anti Libertarian fascists that grovel to their fascist bosses in the European Union High Command. Yet another Goblin post where he fails to make a serious point or answer any of the serious ones people have made above. Shouting some insane rant over and over again doesn't make it right, Gobblers. As for this sudden declaration from the DoH and immenent ban on alcohol. Well actually government has been passing laws on alcohol since the 1730s (and probably before than) such as licensing and tax. Almost 300 years later we are still able to drink freely at home, drink in thousands of pubs and bars across the country and most public spaces too. Even small villages such as my home village in Somerset has 3 pubs, 1 offy and a few restaurants that sell booze - hardly restrictive is it? Where I live now I probably have about 12 pubs within a 10 minute walk. Don't forget that this "anti Libertarain government" recently relaxed drinking laws to allow so called 24 hour drinking. You're so far off on this one I'm going to leave the argument here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 Yet another Goblin post where he fails to make a serious point or answer any of the serious ones people have made above. Shouting some insane rant over and over again doesn't make it right, Gobblers. As for this sudden declaration from the DoH and immenent ban on alcohol. Well actually government has been passing laws on alcohol since the 1730s (and probably before than) such as licensing and tax. Almost 300 years later we are still able to drink freely at home, drink in thousands of pubs and bars across the country and most public spaces too. Even small villages such as my home village in Somerset has 3 pubs, 1 offy and a few restaurants that sell booze - hardly restrictive is it? Where I live now I probably have about 12 pubs within a 10 minute walk. Don't forget that this "anti Libertarain government" recently relaxed drinking laws to allow so called 24 hour drinking. You're so far off on this one I'm going to leave the argument here. We do live under an anti libertarian government hence the massive taxation on cigars, cigarettes and alcohol - especially spirits. I can't think of any other government in the world with a higher tax - as a proportion of price - on cigars, cigarettes and alcohol. This over taxation is both oppressive and repressive. I remember going to the Off Licence as a 10 year old boy and buying cigarettes and Courages' brown ale and Taunton cider bottles for my Mum and Dad. If I sent my boy out to do that these days I'd face a heavy fine and even imprisonment. My opinion is that this country has become massively anti libertarian in my lifetime and it's getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 We do live under an anti libertarian government hence the massive taxation on cigars, cigarettes and alcohol - especially spirits. I can't think of any other government in the world with a higher tax - as a proportion of price - on cigars, cigarettes and alcohol. This over taxation is both oppressive and repressive. I remember going to the Off Licence as a 10 year old boy and buying cigarettes and Courages' brown ale and Taunton cider bottles for my Mum and Dad. If I sent my boy out to do that these days I'd face a heavy fine and even imprisonment. My opinion is that this country has become massively anti libertarian in my lifetime and it's getting worse. So you think its ok to sale cigarettes and alcohol to 10 year olds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted July 23, 2009 Report Share Posted July 23, 2009 So you think its ok to sale cigarettes and alcohol to 10 year olds I used to go to the Off Licence - circa 1975 - with a written note from my Mum or Dad and they would sell me the cigarettes and/or alcohol. Whether it's right or wrong is not the issue as that's the way it was back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 I think that alcool and cigarettes should be forbidden until a certain age...because f.e. a 14 year-old boy or girl usually does it to show he/she's 'adult' ,and for this stupid thing he/she risks to have serious dangers to their health.. then everybody can choose what to do,but the government should at least try to do something to ameliorate the situation (and also families,which are the nucleus of a child's life). Then,for adult people the problem is different...it becomes a matter of 'self-control'... Personally,if somebody offers me some drinks I get them with pleasure ,and also become 'drunk' sometimes is not so tragic But if you do it every week or every day,obviously it can become very risky. And let's also consider that drinking too much can damage not only us,but also the others...in particular,when linked to driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted September 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I see that the BMA are again calling for cheap drinks in bars to be banned. They just don't get it, the more pubs and bars are squeezed, the more people will turn to cheap supermatket packaged drinks and drink more before they go out. Untill there is parity, and a ban on selling all forms of alcohol at a loss nothing will change. I said after smoking the next thing to be lambasted would be alcohol. Give it a few years and my next prediction will come true - a tax on fatty foods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 I see that the BMA are again calling for cheap drinks in bars to be banned. They just don't get it, the more pubs and bars are squeezed, the more people will turn to cheap supermatket packaged drinks and drink more before they go out. Untill there is parity, and a ban on selling all forms of alcohol at a loss nothing will change. I said after smoking the next thing to be lambasted would be alcohol. Give it a few years and my next prediction will come true - a tax on fatty foods. And more pubs will close. Most people I know do the majority of their drinking at home / parties, reason being the astronomical price of a pint in a pub these days (set by the brewery rather than the landlord). In the 1990s the great majority of everybody's drinking was in the pub. The BMA seem to class pubs with drug dealers, missing the real social role these places serve. If you live in a village without a pub you meet a lot less people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted August 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Wonder what Ron thinks about the evils of alcohol now..................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednready Posted August 7, 2010 Report Share Posted August 7, 2010 At 67 I admit to enjoying a few drinks, I dont smoke, tried it, but just diden't enjoy it. Now a couple of points, not pints, The survey says 1 in 6 have a drinking problem. That tells us that 5 out of 6 do not have a drinking problem, thats around 83% dont have a problem.........? Politicians would love that percentage ! Another point is that when non drinkers wake up in the morning, thats the best they will feel all day ! In my days around the planet, I've enjoyed a breakfast cruise off the Bahamas with a bacon and egg breakfast, coffee and Champagne with orange juice. I did not have the OJ. On the same day, a beautiful fish bbq, freshly caught reef fish, washed down with a delightful Chardonnay. The evening meal was the extensive Our Lucaya Casino buffett, I drank a beautiful Rose D'Anjou and after dessert I indulged in a coffee/ cognac combination. I retired to a very nice suite with a mini bar and my " lady friend and I enjoyed a final Champagne on the water front balcony ". Probably around 10 to 12 drinks during the day. Would I change any of that........ not for a minute! I would say on a broader daily spectrum, all things in moderation, works for me. Two to three single malts late in the day.....just fine ! For the record, my doctor agrees, one day I.me going to die....... but its been one hell of a ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Wonder what Ron thinks about the evils of alcohol now..................... Ask him, he's on here in a different guise now. Heck I might even direct him this way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 Ask him, he's on here in a different guise now. Heck I might even direct him this way.... He did atone by proxy on post 152 with: The legend that is Ron said: I heard this thread was re-opened, and had a chance to read a few of my old posts. I'll freely admit I was a know-it-all little tit and although some of what I said had some valid premise, I certainly wouldn't comment on this topic in quite the same vain now. Although, after how I felt on Sunday morning maybe I will change my mind soon. Sorry again. Though isn't having multiple IDs an automatic ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted August 27, 2010 Report Share Posted August 27, 2010 Still here... and nothing new to say since Dogbert's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted August 30, 2010 Report Share Posted August 30, 2010 Oh Ronald! this is brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 Didnt they ban the tripple whopper? Along with supersize McDs....what next aye... They already eliminated chocolate fags... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Red Onion Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I think the RDA for premium sttrengh lagers (5%) is 1.5.....how many guys or girls do you know who go out and only have 1.5 beers? This is my personal theory.....there is an EU conspiracy to kill Britain's pub culture because we are the only country in Europe (and the world) where people go into other people's living rooms to drink alcohol socially for hour after hour. The British pub culture is unique to Britain alone. The EU want to standardise us with the rest of Europe, so the pubs have to go. And yet another attack on the British pub industry is a proposed new law which will cut the legal driving limit to ZERO. Forget driving to City matches and having a pint before the match or half time. I live just outside Whitchurch village on the Wells Road, so my locals are 'The Rising Sun' and 'George & Dragon' Pensford. Go there any night of the week and the car park is full. This new law will kill country pubs once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockin-robin Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I think the RDA for premium sttrengh lagers (5%) is 1.5.....how many guys or girls do you know who go out and only have 1.5 beers? This is my personal theory.....there is an EU conspiracy to kill Britain's pub culture because we are the only country in Europe (and the world) where people go into other people's living rooms to drink alcohol socially for hour after hour. The British pub culture is unique to Britain alone. The EU want to standardise us with the rest of Europe, so the pubs have to go. And yet another attack on the British pub industry is a proposed new law which will cut the legal driving limit to ZERO. Forget driving to City matches and having a pint before the match or half time. I live just outside Whitchurch village on the Wells Road, so my locals are 'The Rising Sun' and 'George & Dragon' Pensford. Go there any night of the week and the car park is full. This new law will kill country pubs once and for all. This will never happen as everyone would be over the limit after simply washing your mouth out with mouth wash. You cannot have a ZERO limit for that very reason. A limit just above ZERO will definetely be brought in eventually though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Was it the same Department of Health guy who was on television this morning and said that the way to achieve inner peace is to finish all the things you have started. So I looked around my house to see things I'd started and hadn't finished and, before leaving the house this morning, I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, a pockage of Prunglies, tha mainder of bot Prozic and Valum scriptins, the res of the Chesescke an a box a choclets. Yu haf no idr how bludy guod I feel rite now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmis DK Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 You're a *unacceptable word* and Communist apologist defending the indefensible and not even attempting to reply to my points. Part of the culture of this country!?! What planet are you on? There is drink and fags in every country - not just ours, it's hardly our culture. In fact many countries drink far more and many smoke far more. Anyway being "part of the culture" doesn't make it right. Moderate centre-right politics is part of our culture but you don't like that. Racism, slavery, colonisation, monarchy, male-only vote were also part of the culture of this country but we changed them and rightly so I'm sure you'll agree. It seems to me that your posts prodominatly constitute 'Daily Mail' induced conservative value diatribes. You would do well to take note of the historical impact of Vladimir Lenin and October 1917, in bringing about decolonisation. Or do you prefer to rewrite history? "He who controls the past controls the future, he who controls the present controls the past" Damn you're good. You are a walking embodiment of Big Brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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