spudski

Utter madness. You'll look down on someone for seeing both sides of the argument, yet put yourself in an ivory tower for having anti horse racing views...yet in the same breath think it's normal for humans to choose to beat the crap out of one another...injure, kill, disable, brain damage, all in the name of sport, where people make £ millions for that pleasure...whilst a baying crowd encourage their favourite to inflict as much damage to another human...enjoying watching it, gaining pleasure from it, excited by it. Mate...that's ****** up reasoning.

I'm not going to debate anymore...it's a pointless exercise. I'm not going to convince you in seeing a balanced view. I get the opinion you've never visited a yard or have any experience with looking after horses. This is generally the case with most apposed. Maybe visit a yard, speak to the owners and get a balanced view. Re diet and sustainability. My view is very alternate compared to most. This is my hope for the future. And one I'd be happy to embrace. https://www.selfsufficienthomesteading.com/self-sufficiency/how-much-land-do-you-need-to-be-self-sufficient/

Doesn't every keeper? If you put clips together showing a keepers errors you can make them look awful.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2011/sep/23/claims-five-broken-leg-horse

Tracing food production from third world countries is actually very hard to do. You pretty much have to look at every distributor and where it sources its production from. What we have to remember is the majority of the world has a completely different outlook on using animals in food transport and production. Then you have the human Labour to take into account. If you looked into it, as a population in this country, we are reliant on countries to provide cheap food and clothing, products, that if we witnessed it first hand, would be appalled. Yet if you took it away, we simply wouldn't be able to economically survive, unless we changed our habits completely. And became less about consuming and wasting. It's not just third world. Take into account your high end quality olive oils and such like. Small ' boutique ' suppliers...with very small output. Many still use ' traditional' methods which include animals in the work force. Milling, pressing, ploughing etc etc. I've seen it first hand in rural Greece and Turkey. Small businesses. We avoid the Supermarkets because we think they are the worst, but the boutique can be just as bad if not worse, as they don't have the manual resources.

It's his distribution I like. If we continue to play on a counter style he looks ideal. Add to the fact he's a good shot stopper, agile, 6' 4" and has presence. ?

Haha...good play on words. ?

Yes...the horses are bred to race. But they aren't forced to race. If a horse doesn't want to race or jump, it will refuse to do so. Explain to me how a horse that's unseated it's rider, and continues to jump and race without a rider, is being forced to do so. They want to run and jump. It's what they do in their natural environment. When I was with a family in a previous relationship that had horses, land and stables, the horses would run and jump in the fields. On occasion they injured themselves by just being horses. Going over on a leg and breaking it...even failing to try and jump a hedge. Compare that to horses being tethered and beaten to work in third world countries to transport and produce food for our western consumption. For all those berating horse racing...refuse to eat your food produced in such ways. Otherwise you don't have an argument. The argument stands, as those against horse racing will consume food produced from barbaric actions to animals, but ignore it because it's 1000s of miles away. Yet your consumption and actively participating in it, is far more harmful to animals than the very small industry of racing.

They've reduced the whip use to 6/7 times in a race. I personally would like to see the whip banned in encouraging, but it's necessary for use in guiding the horse. The industry isn't perfect. I'm not perfect. The industry pros far outway the cons imo. In the same way I could argue with yourself on having the higher moral ground, but you support boxing and martial arts. Which I don't. So neither of us are perfect imo. As I've pointed out...many horses injure themselves and die in fields, naturally, they also have the same problems when ridden on roads or fields for fun. Like I've pointed out...many animals including horses are used as working animals to help produce and transport food in third world countries. Food that you and me eat...with very little thought. Often beaten and kept in poor conditions. We don't see it here...so it's easy to ignore. Bare in mind the world's population and how many still live in poverty, and still use animals as modes of transport and working in production of food and manufacture. Like we as a nation did for centuries. Do you refuse to eat the food produced by such methods? Thanks...I'm just trying to give some balance. None of us are perfect.

Sadly your post comes across as so high and mighty. You have no idea about my eating habits and whether I give a damn. You really don't help your argument by assuming someone you don't know, has polar opposite to your views. All I've done is give a counter argument. To give some balance. I assume you've never kept horses or been around the industry? I know all about how meat is produced. The various methods around the world. I also know about how the alternative diets away from meats are grown, produced, transported and sold. Both produce ethical and environmental damage. Just so you know. I follow a mainly clean healthy diet, based on a Mediterranean type diet. I don't eat processed food, don't eat fast food. I've only ever eaten one MacDonalds in my life. And my meat consumption is far less than it used to be. My sister has been a vegetarian for nearly 40 years. She has allotments and keeps bees. She's educated me and still does. What most vegans and vegetarians who spout their rhetoric forcefully do, Is never take into consideration the fact that everyone's body is different. How all of us digest things differently, have different nutritional needs, and react differently to different foods. Finding a balance of what works for you. Your body tells you what it needs. What makes it function, what makes it strong, what makes it weak. Etc etc. Not everyone can live just as a vegan or vegetarian without issues. I buy from local shops, and try as much to buy locally produced produce. Use farmers markets, small businesses, allotment produce. If I have to use supermarkets, which I do regularly, it's to buy produce like coffee beans. I try not to buy products covered in plastic or flown 1000s of miles, or unethically produced. Yes it's often avoidable. So I'm comfortable with how I try to do the right thing with some conscious and life health balance. I don't need some random bloke off the internet educating me. As for the horse racing...we can agree to disagree. I see more good done in the industry than bad. I've seen worse care, from people who just own horses for pleasure in fields or to ride on roads. I've been around horses and stables, and seen how it works. The great majority of horses are looked after far better than many humans. I hate cruelty to animals. I find it more abhorrent than when it happens with humans. As a person living in the comforts of the western world, I wonder how you feel about horses and other animals being used in third world countries to work in poor conditions when transporting and producing the fruit and veg you eat. Or do you just ignore that because it doesn't fit your argument... As for your opening statement. Whatever I say won't change your view. So there is no point trying to change your way of thinking. Regarding your Carbon argument. The earth's atmosphere contains approx 0.4%...not even 1%. Plants need 0.2% minimum to survive. Below that they die. The biggest contribution is through burning fossil fuels and deforestation. Deforestation to grow things like palm oil and more fruit and veg. They aren't deforesting to make more land for cattle. That's decreasing already. My debate with you is to point out your view isn't so squeeky clean and giving some balance. Both our views are not perfect.

What do you think of the keeper at Orient Dave? Whenever I watch him, I think his distribution would suit our style of play. Plus he's a decent shot stopper has height and presence.

It's really difficult to find data away from horse racing on the net. I know about the domestic cases, because in a previous relationship we had stables that were hired out. It was spoken about. You've avoided commenting on the other glaring fact on producing food for vegetarians unethically, and the damage it does to the animal kingdom and environment. I agree with your sentiment...however it's easy to say things, yet not so easy to rectify in reality. It isn't a perfect world. Like I said...the animal kingdom is barbaric.

I whole heartedly agree with that.

Gutting.

He's 27 this year...but I know what you mean by 'kid'...as he still looks 17 with sum bum fluff on his top lip. He's improved...but he just doesn't have any presence imo.

Cheers fella ?

I'd hardly call myself a punter mate ?..as it's pocket change often, or like I said, money won from free games. If I have time, I will look at form and position in league. That's my basic premise. Generally it's gut feelings. I usually put between 10 and 12 teams in the accumulator. I probably spend 10 mins having morning coffee doing it. Then forget until next morning.

According to Peta, approx 200 horses die each year in the UK whilst training or racing. 68 were killed on roads last year. 139 riders injured. On average 2 a week on roads. https://www.equesure.co.uk/contact-us/news-events/how-many-horses-are-killed-on-the-uk-s-roads/ There are many many more that injure themselves in fields, just being horses, jumping and running.

Yate Town today...the lad kneeling at the front was the mascot ? set up by his mates on a stag do. Came out holding hands with the Captain, lined up, and shook hands with everyone ????? So funny.

That's a good return ?

Look up how many horses die outside horse racing. Also by road accidents. Horses and riders. Like I said...it's an emotive subject. And people will have a counter argument. In the wild...aren't Animals barbaric towards one another? Yet domesticated or trained to race and looked after? We as humans will farm and eat animals. Yet as a human...just as many animals will kill or eat you in the most barbaric way in the wild. You argue for vegetarianism...which has valid points. Yet check out how many animals are killed to provide such things as Avocados for the Vegetarians. There has to be balance on how things are achieved. Fruit, veg from foreign shores, packaged in plastic, cheap labour, natural environment destroyed to provide more for increase, travels miles by sea or air...probably does more harm to environment and animals, than owning a pig on a small holding in this country, looking after it and slaughtering it yourself. Just an example of the hypocrisy of it all.

I heard a while back, that more horses are injured or die from injuries acquired from being left to their own devices in fields. Like any sport there will be injury or death. A race horse will be far better looked after, than most horses who are kept just for pleasure by the general public. Anything to do with animals for sport or pleasure can be highly emotive. A horse will run and jump in the wild. A horse will continue to jump and race when it's unseated it's rider. It's the fact humans are getting enjoyment from racing that causes some people to hate it. Is it worse than eating meat from animals that have been kept captive all their life? I find it odd that people can be against horse racing, yet fully support boxing or martial arts which intention is to do as much damage to another human as possible, to disable or knock them out.

I was there today as well. Yate were unlucky to lose. Poor defending and goalkeeping as usual, but the offside and penalty shouts were poor by the officials. A draw would have been fair. I heard again that two teams might not come up, and another has three weeks to build a stand or not in league. So Yate might survive by default.

Hand on heart...honest mate. I very rarely bet using my own money. Every day I get free games to play on my William Hill account. Free spins, bonus drop, scratch, etc. Most days I will win anything from 20p to a tenner. From free games. I put that money won on accumulators. They very rarely come in, but last night's did. I also won in the past, from a free bet, 4 x £25 bets...which I did 4 accumulators. 1 came in, another I cashed out. Both totalled approx £1400. I did my usual free spins today and won £10.80. I did a £5 ew double on West Bilboa and Noble Yates. Won £39. So I'm betting with free money and winning. So from £10.42 free money... yesterday and today brought in £452. I had another accumulator today, only a few quid, which was looking really good, but Sheff Wed let me down.