havanatopia

10 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

That UK figure includes amounts available at loans. Loans that businesses prevented from trading by the virtual lockdown will have to repay when things get back to normal. assuming they haven't gone to the wall by then.

Here's someone explaining why Sunak's help package for small businesses is, like many things we've seen heralded in the past,  more window-dressing than real help:

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2020/03/17/rishi-sunaks-business-support-package-fails-at-almost-every-single-level-not-least-because-it-will-be-illegal-for-many-businesses-to-even-apply-for-it/

 

Why would you post a link to nothing more than a personal opinions left wing blog? We know your opinion and it's respected but tagging on someone else's who has the same thoughts is supposed to do what exactly?

7 hours ago, phantom said:

All about how people interpret latest figures 

Damned if they do damned if they don

7 hours ago, Stortz said:

Strange how no other country in the world has made the same mistake, wouldn't you say?

Blimey, all you do is moan, moan, moan. Give it a break. You might enjoy it.

Many countries are close to a vaccine breakthrough including the UK. But then you have to move on to clinical trials, production and roll out... That will take many months, years in normal times.

This chart suggests the govt is doing a whole lot more than those with childish jibes that they are not. These are facts. Look at Italy.. what a laugh. Even the US is only committing to 5% of GDP at present.

My faith remains in a govt who leans on a world renowned medical team and industry.

Probably something to do with the fact that the entire country is already on lock down.

2 hours ago, mozo said:

Well it's 100% not point scoring for British people to question why this government has taken a different approach to the vast majority of leading nations. You'd be irrational if you weren't concerned by that.

I must be irrational then.

On 17/03/2020 at 06:50, ChippenhamRed said:

Remember when we used to argue about whether Eliasson should start, the merits of four or three at the back, and the lack of shots on target?

I miss that.

I do too.

I also find political point scoring, especially earlier in this thread, a bit silly to put it mildly. 

This kind of confusion is inevitable in a crisis this big and fast-moving. But it does also make the government's job much harder as it is easy for those who - for whatever reason - are mostly interested in scoring points to accuse ministers of U-turning and not being in full control. The truth is that it is impossible to be in control of a virus that scientists are still trying to fully understand, but the task for the government is to appear as responsive and sensible as possible - and to get that heard over the clamour.

9 hours ago, mozo said:

Betting companies will be lobbying the sports associations and politicians too, to get games on

The death of betting may be one of the few good things to come out of this postponement. Alas, it is wishful thinking with the cash they have.

52 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Don’t get me wrong - I agree that it would have arrived here irrespective. My point is that until very recently we did little to curtail/monitor people coming into the country from affected areas, and our monitoring has been sub par overall (BBC local news for example reporting a school trip that went to Italy a week ago and had to return on Monday - why was there not guidance to stop that flight to start with)

I also agree we should listen to the experts. It troubles me that our expert advice is different to most other countries experts but we’ll see how it pans out. If they’re right, fantastic - if they’re wrong, it doesn’t bear thinking about

Time will tell.

25 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I know we joke about their small attendances but they will be losing two home fixtures at least that would probably be worth £30k each maybe? That's got be a huge hole to fill on top of that projected £65k a week loss. It must be a worry, they wont be the only team suffering because of this, but they could be one of the teams that will never recovery from it.

I think it's of great benefit to Rovers actually. They will be eligible for a £3k grant from the govt like all small businesses. It should shore up their balance sheet for at least a month. 

Silvio, you said this...

Because we failed to take early preventative steps, COVID is here and likely in far wider numbers than reported (CSO). Working on the basis of current estimate of one person infecting three others, this now cannot be controlled fully - by the time symptoms emerge, you’ve already infected others reducing the benefits of isolation.

with respect, very naive to think any measures would have stopped this virus entering our shores. I think people should listen and act upon the scientists and medical officers on the best practice.

The problem with mass cancellations now, against best previous govt advise, is that you enter quarantining far too early. I think everyone should accept the experts here and not pander to overseas moves all of which have not stemmed anything. We may also see a false dawn with China. 

9 minutes ago, mozo said:

They do it in Germany.

Maybe they do it already in Greta's Sweden? 

In Germany it is called 'Pfand'. You'll see homeless people rooting around bins to fill their bags with discarded glass bottles. They can then collect the cents from the supermarket. Excellent system.

 

Corona still going strong in Germany? Excellent. Will be off there soon then. Fabulous.

2 minutes ago, downendcity said:

If they don't like the rules, they always take their club and find another league to play in.

Northern Ireland. Michael O Neil will find his commute to both jobs considerably easier. 

Pops.. JC presumably is John Coates son of Peter? Who is Tony S ?

I think Coates is being extremely disingenuous. Rules are rules and it is absolutely bang on if a club, seeing another break those rules, reports the malfeasance.

2 hours ago, Sturny said:

 

I could not delete this one so will just say 'Hi Sturny, howz it going today?'

1 hour ago, bredwood said:

I think I'll be OK as I used to drink loads of this when I was a kid so I'm immune to it:

Thems were the days. I assume Corona is long since gone as a brand? If not then sadly it soon will be although I would be out in a flash buying it. But that's just me.

46 new cases of Covid 19 in China on Sunday.. falling rapidly and lower even than the UK. Good news. As you were.

2 hours ago, LondonBristolian said:

Germany are encouraging people to work from home and minimise travel and are recommending cancellation of any events of 1000 or more.

Regardless of your views of the risk, I think it is sensible to brace yourself for the possibility of the same restrictions happening here. I'm massively starting to regret booking a train and hotel in Nottingham and a ticket for Ash at Rock City on the day of the Forest game...

Not according to that press conference. It set the right tone in my opinion and essentially said gatherings are really not an issue. They made the same argument I made about Italy doing blanket bans on stuff but with little effect. Go and enjoy the concert I say, but a lingering cough is something that needs sorting. Try Spirulina and Chlorella... Stops me getting colds and hugely boosts your immune system.

1 hour ago, NOTBLUE said:

Yeah,! But only the high street.

Odd numbers only please.

If you are healthy you are not going to die. A blanket quarantine is not the way to go here. We can agree on one thing only today it seems; our blind love...

...for Bristol City.

9 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

It could be close.

Last 15 league games;

Won 1, Drawn 5, lost 9

For 7 against 24

Carry that on till the end of the season and they could be in bigger trouble than they undoubtedly are now.

 

 

That is truly shocking form. What is more shocking perhaps is that two clubs are worse than that. How can any manager get so much so wrong so consistently? Mind boggling really. You would think it would be easier to actually win a few just by the law of averages.

3 minutes ago, Sturny said:

I love how you put these two sentences in the same post.

Thank you very much indeeeeed. ! I think that's how Piers Morgan says it.

7 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I've spoken to people who worked for the Greater London Authority when Boris was Mayor. They tell me he had a tendency not to show up to work all that often and his duties were largely neglected as a result. I've seen and read others say the same.

Anecdotal remarks do not prove anything. Surely you are smart enough to take such remarks with a pinch of salt. I read that the current Mayor is obstinate, dogmatic and has his hand significantly in the till. Do I believe it? Of course not. I take it with a huge pinch of salt.

And btw, home working? How ironic you raise that when the govt is encouraging just the same. Perhaps Boris has been fond of it for decades and perhaps it had passed your attention that he lives and works at number 10 so unless you have a spy I put it to you that you know little to nothing about how many hours he puts in on a daily basis. Probably a darn site more than both you and me.

15 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Yes, it has. In the absence of a vaccine the only way of fully containing a virus spreading is to quarantine. This is fairly basic stuff.

Perhaps so but the fact remains Italy reacted rather late in this regard. That of course does not mean I agree with their quarantining. 

At the end of the day we have two choices here... We let it run its course by as many common sense measures as possible or we shut down the world the latter of which seems to be China and Italy's approach. Not saying either is right or wrong for any given country. What we do know is that this is not the bubonic plague and since it is not a sensible measured response is better and will be proved so in my opinion.

For people to come on here and purport to know more than the govt and to throw silly politicised remarks around like half a working week is rather churlish.

11 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Yes, it has. In the absence of a vaccine the only way of fully containing a virus spreading is to quarantine. This is fairly basic stuff...

Yes. Yes, we do.

Wow... You must be an extraordinarily important person. You must be Dominic Cummings. 

10 minutes ago, Colombo Robin said:

Expected better from Piers Morgan?! This has to be sarcasm

I suppose one could take it that way as well. Haha