JBFC II

4-3 down in the 94th minute, the gift

5 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I don't agree. Holden's PPG may be better, but that's due to a few (possibly flukey) wins at the start of his reign, and the fact that we were fairly quick to get rid of him when he was, IMO, leading us to relegation.

At the end of that season under Holden, we had the worst xG in the league, worst xG against in the league, and we smashed the record for least shots in the Championship season. Performance wise, we were the worst team in the league - bar none. We were awful at everything.

Granted, we've not been amazing under Pearson, but we've been better. We've not been the worst team in the league. There have been some positives (e.g. our attack has been fairly good). We've generally been competitive. in games. Pearson has been a clear improvement on Holden.

Has he though?

Considering the fanfare he brought with him, the experience he has and the contacts he has in the game, we are no better off than we were when Holden left. 
 

Pearson will presumably get the January window to improve things but tactically, considering the calibre of manager, there’s no ‘clear improvement’ that I can see on the pitch

5 minutes ago, Banjo Red said:

Don't forget my insult to Ashton as well.

 

Would class that as more of a jibe than a blatantly derogatory word to be honest

3 minutes ago, Spike said:

Holden was sacked before his number could balance out and it would have. 

All this stat does is prove that the issues are not with the manager but a lot deeper. That's a lot of different managers and the only connection is the club itself. 

Perhaps, but the number is still higher and certainly doesn’t point to things being a lot worse under Holden. 
 

Ultimately, Holden was relieved of his duties at the right time, and unless Pearson can start winning a few games it’s going to get to the point where he will have to be as well

Just now, Banjo Red said:

Behave go and have another quality street.

So you think calling Johnson a midget and blaming him for where we are 2 and a half years later is providing a positive input?

Right..l

2 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

As frustrating/poor as we can be at times, we're still significantly better on the pitch than we were under Holden.

Admittedly, that's more of an indictment of Holden than it is a compliment of Pearson, but let's not forget just how bad we were during that period.....

Are we?

Holden was sacked with a 1.44 points per game record. Pearson is currently on 1.09, which is only 0.04 higher than O’Driscoll and 0.06 higher than Mcinnes. If anything, Holden was an improvement on what we’re seeing currently

1 minute ago, Banjo Red said:

Inherited the shit show left behind by the midget and Swiss Tony. Feel very sorry for the guy.

Let’s resort to insults now why don’t we, cos that’s just what we need right now…

Just now, Fordy62 said:

Yes. But we don’t have the luxury of the strength in depth that Johnson should have had given his outlay. 

Im not saying Pearson has done a Sterling job, I’m saying financially Johnson crippled us. 

Can’t argue with that, I would argue that 2 and a half years on one would hope we’d be seeing some slightly improved performances on the pitch now. 
 

Johnson and Ashtons legacy isn’t strong enough now to be used as an excuse imo, it’s getting to the stage where the blame lies more on Pearsons shoulders than it does on his predecessors

5 minutes ago, The Coach said:

I wouldn’t even vote. The damage is already too much from previous running of the club under Ashton.

If Pearson went. Who would actually improve things with 0 budget to play with? I don’t think there is one.

Hasn’t Pearson just said there is money to spend this January?

Just now, Fordy62 said:

Depends on how much his performance restricted those who followed after…

Considering Pearsons tactical decisions today, I’m not sure how much Johnson is affecting what we’ve seen this afternoon really. We have a decent enough squad now, and certainly one that should be putting in better performances than what we’ve seen today

5 minutes ago, The Coach said:

He’s a big part of the reason why we are in this mess now. As in Ashton and Lansdown

Two and a half years later I’d say Johnson isn’t a ‘big part’ of the performances we are seeing today. Those who have come since need to start taking responsibility and not blaming things on a manager who left 30 months ago

1 minute ago, Sturny said:

It’s a remarkable situation really that a manager with such a low win rate is being debated that he is or isn’t the right fella for the job.

 

I think much of it is a question over who is out there who is better placed.

Its getting to the point now though that the situation he was dealt with when he joined is becoming irrelevant 

Just now, Atticus said:

Defensively we are worse though.

And the picking players out of position, refusing to change formation is getting to the point of ridiculous. 

I agree, you would hope we would start to look better by now. Yet we really don’t. 
 

And it just gets worse…

Just now, David Brent said:

You obviously see something or you wouldn’t be prepared to give him more time…regardless of the mess he inherited. Plenty of others have already given up. 

I’d be prepared to give him till the end of February. If we’re still working at a 20% win rate by then then changed would have to be made. 
 

Still intrigued over what makes him a ‘proper manager’ though, outside of success he had 8+ years ago

1 minute ago, Redrascal2 said:

The problem is we are still a sinking ship. Nothing has changed and he cannot seem to do anything about it.

Maybe a change of manager needed then? Pearson has had time, and has brought players in in order to change things. However it still doesn’t seem to be working. 
 

I hope we give him more time as I want it to work, but I can’t see how it is going to

1 minute ago, Super said:

He's beyond any criticism to some.

If Johnson was in the dugout for this he would be getting heavily criticised, not being called a ‘proper manager’. I struggle to see what people have seen during his time here to make such a statement about him

1 minute ago, David Brent said:

Are you really intrigued, or just upset?

No, I am intrigued. 
 

I have plenty of time for Pearson, and considering the sinking ship he inherited I’d certainly give him more time. However, in what way has he proved himself to be a ‘proper manager’ during his time with us? 

1 minute ago, David Brent said:

First sensible thing you’ve said all day 

Intrigued to hear what there is you’ve seen this season that makes you believe Pearson to be a ‘proper’ manager in modern day football?

Biggest cheer of the afternoon as Atkinson comes on.

Not that that will make an ounce of difference to Pearsons stubbornness though…

We started to look like a threat at the end there. 
 

West Brom are a poor side though, and that started to show. Feels like the whistle came just at the wrong time but if we can continue in that ascendancy we may be able to grab ourselves an equaliser

Should be 2-0, totally one way traffic.

Pearson may speak well and be refreshingly honest, but if this was a Lee Johnson team playing like this he would be getting crucified by certain sections. We can’t even blame injuries any more, this is really poor

Rovers score a penalty

Who'd have thought it...

21 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Considering this must be the first time in a decade that they are visiting proper grounds I fail to see why they are getting excited about doing this.

This is like some non league club drawing Barnsley in the FA cup & taking loads, trust me, if they did this stuff regularly the novelty would wear off pretty quickly.

They have had 2 decent results (both draws) but also worth pointing out they are still in the bottom half & have played the most games in the division.

Their friends at Radio Bristol (describing it as the blue “half” of the city again last night) & at the Post shouldn’t get too excited yet.

It’s like if we got promoted, we’d be taking thousands most weeks.

For them a visit to hillsbrough or Pride Park is similar to what a visit to Newcastle was for us when they came down, or a visit to the Ethiad was in the Cup…

1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said:

I’m sure the Pearson haters will be on soon,I’m not one but you have to call it for what it was today 

Its all about balance. 

We've made huge strides in numerous areas over Pearsons tenure and considering the financial limitations hes overall done OK I'd say.

However, today again showed how many basic things we are still getting wrong, which is frustrating to see from such an experienced manager

19 minutes ago, bexhill reds said:

Here we go, we’re playing shit so it clearly must be Nige and the coaching team’s fault.

I'm sure you were praising Pearson when things were going well, in the same vein he has to take some criticism when we are playing poorly and getting comfortably beaten by reading without a shot on target?