JBFC II

6 minutes ago, Wedontplayinblue said:

I wasn’t saying that was I, I was stating a lot of YouTube videos such as these are done for the revenue it bring. 

He’ll make about 12-15 quid for that video.

With how YouTube works, unless you’re getting hundreds of thousands of views per video, you aren’t making enough to sustain yourself at all.

Hes got a hobby he enjoys, it’s far from a money making scheme

7 hours ago, bert tann said:

We kept all that behind closed doors tent flaps in my day.

Edited for accuracy

Just now, Boring Sag said:

Just rebuking the "this isn't a good signing" arguments. But I'm sure that it'll keep our finances in good stead for now anyways, and there's always January! 

Ah don’t worry, when you’re mid table in January he’ll have his eyes elsewhere.

Imagine, just imagine, selling a striker to create room for a record signing, but then failing to complete the paperwork properly so the record signing falls through. You can’t make it up…

Sums them up doesn’t it.

Attempt a club record transfer, but fail to submit the paperwork correctly and so it falls through.

The gift keeps on giving!!!

1 minute ago, Boring Sag said:

Being as unbiased as possible. I don't understand the train of thought here, if we want to talk about this objectively. I don't think this shows literally anything for City's ambitions, anyone who looks at the state of the two clubs in terms of infrastructure & finances right now will know there's quite a considerable gap. But he is not an 'okay striker for League One.' He's probably the best striker in League One, or at least one of. Since signing for Rovers initially he's scored 81 League One goals in 123 games. You speak of him like he's Leon Clarke too, the Championship season where he scored 12 wasn't 6 or 7 years ago, it was the season before last, and for a relegation side. 

Also seen quite a few here talk about some sort of urge for immediate success, going for extremely old players or something. I don't agree. Averages are very skewed from the fact that we signed Wilson and Friend, 34 and 35. But if you look at our squad it's a fairly good mix of loans (Vale, Bogarde, Crama), older more-experienced players (Wilson, Friend, Marquis) and younger more talented players (Gordon, Taylor, Thomas). 

So yeah TLDR it's a really good signing for Rovers, and he could be a lower-Championship striker fairly easily I think (hell Lockyer is literally the captain of a Premier League club!); but it doesn't indicate some sort of lack of ambition of City (in my personal opinion, I think Pearson holds you guys back in any sort of long-term promotion-charging potential, could be wrong though)

Why are you speaking so much about a player who isn’t yours?

2 minutes ago, Selred said:

I haven’t said we haven’t shown ambition. I have said we haven’t shown ambition similar since we were in league one. 
 

Rovers would be signing one of the leagues top strikers. When have we signed one of the Championships best players? 
 

I don’t know the Rovers squad, I’m merely basing it on a player by player basis. We’ve signed some fantastic potential, but it’s potential. Rovers objectives seem to be promotion this season, ares aren’t. 

It’s totally different though isn’t it.

Rovers are signing one of the league ones best players for £800k, we’d have to spend £15 million to sign one of the championships best players, especially a forward

1 minute ago, Southport Red said:

Someone just tweeted the deal is off. 

A fake account pretending to be a journalist who covers them

Apparently £370000 in 1991 is the equivalent to £1,013,800 today.

So if you do sign him for £800k saggies, then sadly cos it’s taken you so bloody long to break your transfer record, the rise in value of the pound has stopped you from doing so this time as well…

1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said:

It’s not the equivalent of us spending £25m and blowing everything on one gamble.

It’s investing SOME of the money we do have into the playing squad. It’s widely accepted that you cannot plead poverty when you’ve generated £35m over two transfer. We have money, SL doesn’t want to spend it. We have a 33 year old striker to lead the line until January at least! It’s embarrassing from our board.

Those criticising Rovers for sign JCH come across as jealous more than anything. Trying to play it down when on paper it’s an impressive signing for them.

For what it is worth, I would have taken JCH as a deadline signing today. In my opinion he would out score Wells in the championship.

We’re not talking about our current issues here though, this is a thread dedicated to them.

It is exactly like us going and spending £25 million in surplus while blowing our wages budget, whilst signing Akpom for £12 mill. It wouldn’t be financially viable for us at all, much like how it isn’t for them.

JCH is 29 and has one season where he has hit double figures in the championship, Wells has 6. Maybe he would have outscored Wells, but there’s absolutely no evidence to back that claim up

2 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Totally agree . Let’s not forget . Some have short memories. When we got relegated in 2013 , this is exactly what we did & mark Ashton was recruitment consultant. 
this is blatant panicking by the fewers . 

Yep, their wage bill will have skyrocketed out of all proportion.

Unless they go up (which is a huge if), they are going to be in a serious pickle next summer. 7.5k crowds don’t financially support wage bill increases of £30k or so in league one

1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said:

At the end of the day they may or may not be spending above their means and it might be shit or bust if their gamble for promotion doesn’t pay off. I get that, but it shows ambition!

Vs us, who has money to spend but an owner who refuses to do so.

I get it, we don’t like rovers, we want them to fail. But at least they are showing something, which we are not.

There’s ambition and there’s throwing money at an off chance of getting promotion.

It’s the equivalent to us spending £25 mill this summer and breaking our wage budget completely.

It may be fun in the short term, but unless the rewards come then it could go badly badly wrong.

Id much rather be on our side of the fence than theirs

1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Not sure what is so funny. Would be nice for us to show the ambition they are!

What by doubling our transfer record on a 29 year old striker?

They’re spending money, granted. But firstly, that’s relative to the league they are in. The ‘ambition’ you are talking about is them being rumoured to spend around £1.1 million this window, as well as signing 5 players on loan and 6 players on a free, who have an average age of 29.

There is a level of ambition to it, but if they don’t go up it could go seriously wrong. Of the players they’ve signed, a maximum of 4 have any resale value, that’s 8 transfers made with no resale value. If they don’t get in the play offs they’re going to be having a big clear out next year to avoid financial penalties.

Of course, we’d like to have more players through the door this summer. But we’ve already been in their boat of signing older players with no sell on value, who constantly failed to live up to expectation. How did that go for us?

Just now, Finley_Smith10 said:

They’re showing ambition. We ain’t 

Very easy to show ambition in league one.

Look at our window in summer 2014, that blows anything they’ve done this year out of the water and that was 9 years ago…

“The clue is ON THE PITCH.

Regardless of if they're permanent signings or loan signings.

They're still part of the squad playing ON THE PITCH.

Ryan Woods may have only played the equivalent of 16 Championship games, it's still pretty much the same amount as Andy King played for City last season.

Woods was pretty much an ever present for Hull until Rosenior took over who didn't fancy him for whatever reason, same with Harvey Vale.

Looking at Defenders don't think there's much difference between Connor Taylor or James Wilson to Robert Atkinson who City signed from Oxford either who played 26 games for them last season.

Point still stands they're not miles ahead of us on the pitch if you look at the 2 respective squads currently.

They are in terms of stadium and infrastructure, academy etc though.

However that wasn't my point.”

They really don’t help themselves do they…
 

Yes Paul, that's right. The reason you have won 2 games at home this year is because the pressure of playing in front of a huge crowd of 7500 is too much for your players...

Another signing for them, Ryan Woods from Hull.

Good player for league one, but that's a 12th signing this summer. If they don't go up they could be in serious issues surely?

So they've started building a stand.

Just imagine if they were building a stand without any planning permission to do so, just imagine...

9 minutes ago, Hot Air said:

 

Do you have a video of Rickie Lambert ramming a volley down Basso's throat in the JPT area final? I'm struggling to find it...

To be fair, Lambert is a pretty perfect example of somebody connected with Bristol Rovers...

7 minutes ago, Hot Air said:

To educate your fanbase. 

On the 90s? Why aren't you educating us on league Bristol derbies that have happened in the past 20 years?

Oh wait...

10 minutes ago, Hot Air said:

Welcome to Bristol Jack...Ashton Gate looks a lot better from a long distance, doesn't it?

Whereas the Mem looks like a dump from every angle

5 minutes ago, Hot Air said:

What would Danny Baker know about Bristol Rovers? And, more to the point, why would I care? 

He is a Millwall-supporting loudmouth who was sacked by the BBC for tweeting extraordinarily racist material. 

A little bit like why would we care that Charlton are a bigger club than Milwall?

2 minutes ago, Hot Air said:

I don't really have any ambition to go higher than the Championship. I don't like the PL and I think it is becoming increasingly impossible for teams from the lower leagues to genuinely compete - teams hit a glass ceiling and then steadily decline.

The costs of competing at that level are too great - look at Reading. You could conceivably go even further and emulate your successive relegations of 1976-80. Bigger clubs than you have done this. 

Both are forms of schadenfreude aren't they? I take a mild pleasure in watching you fall flat on your face - I'm not actively invested in it, like some of our fanbase. 

 

Fall flat on our face in finishing in a league position you've never achieved in your history. Struggling to see the amusement in that for you...

I mean, if you're happy being crap that's fine. I think we both know your aim as a club is to finish above us in the league, that's all you wish for now, which speaks volumes.

Ours is to get into the premier league, you needn't bother about not wanting to reach it as you'll never get there, not with 7k crowds and 3 sides to your stadium.

Pipe down and get back to salivating about beating Charlton to rise to a massive 4 places below cambridge. You can even do it in a mug celebrating the win!

3 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

This is the crux of it. There’s no city fan that thinks we’re massive or even a big club . The thought that one day we might go up terrifies you though doesn’t it . This also goes to show Einstein how very little you know about how much money it takes just to survive in the championship . Then again you wouldn’t . 

It should terrify them.

They have an aging fanbase, with a small proportion of u18s through it.

For every child attending a rovers match, 3 are attending a City match. That number will only increase exponentially if we do go up in the next few years.

Us being promoted would be absolutely devastating for them as a football club. Before long they'd be down to 5k a week, especially with how little growth they've shown this century 

3 minutes ago, Hot Air said:

Its interesting - Rovers have often adopted their 'small-time' (or 'tinpot') aspects in the same way that Wimbledon did in the 1980s, with the 'Crazy Gang' mentality - Steve Hamer, a former chairman, even directly drew this comparison. You'll recall that we actually embraced this at Twerton.

In contrast, it is City's attempt to make the leap into a genuine contender that invariably amuses. Watching you try and then fall flat on your face, as in the 2008 play-off final, is a continual source of amusement. You try so hard to be 'massive' but never quite make it. 

So you'd rather aim to be small time and bounce between league one, two and non-league than show any ambition and get within a game of being in the Premier League.

If you find us reaching the championship play off final at Wembley a source of content amusement, how do you think we view you lot getting relegated to non league against a team playing in your kit, having celebrated survival the week before? Theres total levels to this