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1 hour ago, luke_bristol said:

The right wing didn’t start the culture war, but absolutely agree. This is a global issue that goes well beyond football.

I’m no scholar on the history of the culture wars so bow to your better judgement - but I’d certainly argue it’s the right’s favourite political tool…

4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

This is it.

Tribal, partisan...passionate. That is football, there are teams and within that there are sides of debates- pick one, defend, analyse. Doesn't even have to be that rational too.

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3 hours ago, headhunter said:

I picked this from James Piercy's excellent piece on the game in Bristol Live and highlighted the part that sums up so many things in our normal day to day lives:

The narrative is being allowed to grow that this City team is defined by QPR, Sheffield Wednesday, Preston, Leeds and Millwall rather than Southampton, Middlesbrough, Watford, West Ham, Nottingham Forest and Hull City. In this binary world we live in, where you have to pick a side, and a point of conflict, it’s one or the other, not where it really sits, somewhere in the middle. That’s just boring.

Ian Gay's narrative is what it is and I invite anyone to come on the pod and challenge him and no doubt create a point of conflict. I will call him out whilst recognising that I myself flip flop with my views and in so doing rightly labelled for being a knee jerker! 

He may be right about this binary world - however it has ALWAYS been this way in football - long before the right wing started their culture war.

Football is and always has been tribal - fans generally either like or dislike a manager, or should I say rate or not rate - often for some intangible emotional reason and will focus on the negatives (defeats and sometimes even wins!) rather than the positives (wins and good performances) or excuse the negatives and focus on the positives.

Has been that way with teams and managers for as long as I can remember. Nothing new. 

27 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

I suppose you may wish to see it as apathy. You clearly are on a points mission from your original post. With my views I'm easy game for a few 'likes' etc 

I said some time ago on numerous posts/threads that after Jet left- I'd no longer get 'attached' to a footballer at BCFC. The same goes for managers- after Cotts.

It seems you have a problem if someone doesnt get posessed with incadescent rage if e lose or euphoria if we in. Maybe you don't go to matches or aren't a Bristolian?

Im Southmead born,  Knowle bread and have lived in Bristol pretty much all of my life. I've supported BCFC post Dicks so never witnessed top flight. I started back in Div 4 Terry Cooper when Marina Dolman took me to my first ever game at BS3 so at least half of my support is lower league. I don't have great expectations of Premiership football although I believed it for one season under Gary and one under Lee. Since then anyone expecting promotion with what we have is dreaming.

I'm relatively ok about where we are as a club and really hope and dream of better but not as a matter of entitlement.

If I order a burger and expect a fillet then I'm the delusional one not the person serving me.

I’m not on a points scoring mission, I don’t need the likes - strange you think that…and strange you seem rather sensitive at someone challenging you - given your earlier posts and wish to give it the old I told you so quite prematurely about Manning to several others - all rather stones in glass houses. As you said yourself, it’s OK to be wrong.

No incandescent rage needed - you are incorrect there.

Difference between you and I is you’re happy with the basic burger and I’m not.

Then don’t be surprised when people challenge you when you suggest that the burger is as good as it can get.

7 minutes ago, petehinton said:

I’ve never ever been able to shake the feeling that the powers that be want our promotion to the PL to be perfect and pure, in the sense that it’s everyone’s ’first time’. 
 

I’ve absolutely no evidence on that, but shrugging off the likes of Hughton & Pearson who’ve had greater success than our current position for much more inexperienced ‘up and comers’ (even Cotts to LJ) to me has always had an air of purity around it, in that we want everyone to celebrate it for the first time together. Not explaining that well but hopefully makes a smidge of sense. 
 

I remember being at Leicester and seeing the incredible reception for Pearson, King & James and having a nagging feeling at the time that Tinnion, JL et al must’ve been looking on ******* hating it. “well why haven’t they done that for us??”

The behaviour of the Lansdowns and their historical appointments suggest you might not be wrong.

I also get the sense they really, really want to ‘prove people wrong’ who have criticised them. “See you in the premier league” Tinnion is an extremely telling quote.

11 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I’m probably going to get battered even more so than @RedM for this, but for me this thread pretty much sums up the negativity and the determination to find fault with anything Manning that’s so prevalent on here at the moment.

There are ups and downs, pros and cons, black and white and various shades of grey in any club and any season and especially when managers change.

Yet reading through the posts so far what stands out is the determination to attribute every single negative to Manning and every single positive to something or someone else.

Thats not being critical of your question, @Dredd. It’s a reasonable one. It’s more about what follows.

And, as a slight aside but another example of the negativity, @Merrick's Marvels - apart from the generic aspiration that any club in the Championship would have promotion as an ambition, who has ever said that promotion this season is or was our objective?? 

“We all wanted Nigel to achieve our ambition to be promoted but, with our recent results, feel that now is the time to make a change to give the club the best possible chance of success.” - JL

‘We want to get promoted this year' - Bristol City board on decision to sack Nigel Pearson - from Gavin Marshall

15 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Manning: I like him , disappointed that he seems to have stuttered when it matters but I wasn't expecting promotion whosoever was in charge. I don't see this current squad a  Premiership team in waiting but certainly capable of better as some results have indicated. I think Liam will do better as he learns on the job, develops his way of playing and squad  and if he doesn't then we'll find another manager.

Club's decision making? Broadly pretty solid- I'm a big fan of Steve Lansdown and pretty happy where we are in terms of stability, financial and facilities. We are a pretty solid Championship team. Hope for better but there isn't a team in the Championship whose fans don't dream of of promotion at the start of every season- it's why we support.

Chances of promotion "as set by the club". Every single season someone within BCFC will state that the aim is promotion and it always makes me smile but it will be a cold day in hell when someone comes out and says " we're hoping for a good mid-table finish".

Your posting comes across as someone who the club would absolutely love - come pay your money and don’t complain. I ordered the £50 steak rare and it came well done, but the setting was nice and they tried their best so…I didn’t say anything.

Perhaps maybe you don’t go to games or have a season ticket, follow from a far, hence the apathy?

A post which completely lacks passion and ambition. 

I personally hope, wish and want so much more - and do you know what, it’s possible. It’s not a pipe dream. It’s not about entitlement, it’s about ambition and application.

3 hours ago, M.D said:

Bristol born but have lived in Brighton for a long time, so I know a lot about my club and Brighton.

Tony Bloom took over Brighton at a time you could say City was ahead of them in the football pecking order.

The difference between Tony Bloom and Steve Lansdown is very simple.

Bloom, a rich man and good business man took over his club and knew he was not experienced in running a football club, so what did he do?

He employed the best people he could get to run the football side of Brighton while he took care of the business side of the club.

He got the best people in he could and listened to them in an area he was lacking in to help his club progress.

Look at the stark reality of where City and Brighton are now, both similar sized clubs and history, one a Prem established club in Europe and the other repeating the same mistakes and what I think will end again in relegation to league one.

Manning is not for me but the issues are so much wider, it's breaking my heart, again.

People confuse SL’s success as a businessman in a completely unrelated field as a foundation to run a football club.

Even with finances he’s not managed it properly, has he?! FFP anyone? And the biggest elephant in the room, he wants to sell, but he’s built something he can’t sell! That wasn’t very good planning was it Steve….it’s like the old man who spends £250k over the market value doing up their bungalow and want it back when they sell, sorry it’s still a bungalow.

SL continues to run the club like it’s a small business, he wants to be over every decision, every invoice, every meeting - he now does it through his son and lackey “see you in the prem” Tinnion - with no doubt weekly if not daily phone calls.

20 years counting and it hasn’t worked, will it ever change? Doesn’t look like it.

As time goes on you get more of this concerning dictator feeling/behaviour setting in too - an ever smaller group of people in “power”, a delusional sense of entitlement “this is my club” and the world (City fans) are against them.

In fact the appointment of Tinnion is perfect because he was always likely to ‘fail’ as he’s completely unqualified and inexperienced - so now he gets flack from us and the Lansdowns can put their arm over his shoulder and say look how mean those horrible city fans are - and they can all continue living in their detached from reality world to excuse their continued lack of progress…everyone else’s fault but theirs.

OK artistic license on last paragraph - but the rest stands - until they relinquish control of the day to day to 2 or 3 top top talented directors and coaches, we’re treading water at best and the losses will continue to mount.

Sack or don’t sack - we need to invest in the squad - so I don’t like any option involving that. 

As we’ve seen and the Lansdowns are finding out…holding back funds from a manager you ultimately cut your nose off to spite your face.

Review at end of season for me.

If he does go, Tinnion also has to IMO or the charade will continue. Let’s ******* have some people in positions of power at the club that actually inspire excellence. 

“We all wanted Nigel to achieve our ambition to be promoted but, with our recent results, feel that now is the time to make a change to give the club the best possible chance of success.” - JL

We want to get promoted this year' - Bristol City board on decision to sack Nigel Pearson - from Gavin Marshall

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1 hour ago, Charlie BCFC said:

Manning has us in the top half with 12 games remaining, I maybe wrong of course but I can’t remember Pearson having us this high at this stage. I like Pearson for the record and think he left us in a better state when he took over but it’s time to move on and for me Manning has done more than enough to be backed going forward

People can talk about feelings and memories - but here it is in cold hard fact, easier to understand when seen - we’re trending downwards and worryingly so. 

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

He’d have been saying MANAGER OUT in the past after that and last week.

Hamburger Hill springs to mind 

Last week he publicly questioned their mentality.

This week he’s publicly questioned their ability.

With results the way they are, it won’t end well for Manning.

We’ve got 3 HUGE games against Cardiff, Ipswich and Swansea up next - 3 games with heightened emotional attachment. 

He needs results soon or it will get very toxic.

2 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Really- you can do so much better.

Ask me specifically for what you want my thoughts on and I'll answer unless you were just looking to score points?

Interesting comment, given your posts in this thread..pot kettle.

Your thoughts on Manning, the clubs decision making and our chances of promotion, as set by the club? 

3 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Absolutely I've got thoughts- on just about everything but if you can please be much more specific , I can give you a much more specific answer.

Ah I see we’re not taking the rough with the smooth very well…

@Marina's Rolls Royce any thoughts?

Right 10 minutes at 10 men 

Is that 4 players in as many weeks that have been injured again whilst either nearing the end of rehab or recently returning from injury?

Not good. 

2 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

We are not ourselves, It is like in In training sometimes you are not allowed to tackle, we are normally biting biting, but we are not there - Naismith 

I know and what the **** is that about?!? How on earth can that be the case?

Motivation and effort the absolute bare minimum - if that’s not there…huge questions to answer

People saying “this is better”…is it?

All I’m seeing is Wednesday sitting back a bit more and looking to catch us on the break, which they very nearly just did.

We still don’t look anymore likely to score despite some more ball in their final third.

EDIT all Wednesday at mo

It’s really, really not very good.

I just don’t understand.

Are we a footballing team or a direct team? They don’t seem to know.

Where’s the movement? Where’s the energy? Why are we playing like strangers so often?

Why are there such massive gaps in the middle and Manning persists with a stretched 3 at the back and wide pushed up players with little cover in the middle?

Why so much lack of composure? Why does this team, that should be doing so much better, show such lack of quality, effort at times and so few chances created? 

Well throwing Rennie under the bus hasn't helped with injuries yet...

I think lessons will be learned from QPR and we will up our game today.

Away from home might suit us - if Wednesday have a go, which they need to, we have the ability to punish them and win well.

If we're dragged into another scrappy game, it's coming down to that one moment where someone on either team takes a chance for 1-0 either way.

As others have said, would be good to see us control more of the game today too.

12 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

To be fair to him, the majority of broker income comes from proc fees as opposed to client fees so this isn’t the great deal it may seem…

12 hours ago, cidercity1987 said:

Quite! My mortgage broker doesn't cost me anything, gets his grand from the bank 

Yes I thought the same thing - they're all salesmen though and he's clearly learning fast