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2 minutes ago, Waffleflap said:

More waffle than me and LJ . He gets in every week. I wouldnt bother picking up the phone. Miserable git

Is he one of those that phones up after listening to it on the radio? So therefore has an opinion based on someone else’s opinion 

1 minute ago, AppyDAZE said:

I swear the guy thinks he's Pep.

At least Pep goes to the game..

51 minutes ago, Not Banksy said:

Hey Guys,

Probably a very stupid question but I've never bought away tickets this close to kick off before... it says to collect them at the ground... I'm guessing this is justat the normal ticket office? 

 

Thanks in advance!!

Would be the away ticket office next to the turnstiles 

The international break after Saturday has come at a good time 

Let’s go ****ing mental let’s go ****ing mental la la la la

8 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Really? How many games did his brother play for us? 

Does being sub keeper not count then?

Apologies if this has been asked already, I’ve seen people raising the possibility of liquidation but how is this any worse than the Portsmouth scenario for example when the debt was like double or is it that the stadium sale is what might tip it over the edge?

7 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

If Red bull did that then the FIA should delay the 3 place grid drop because it would be a clear action to undermine the punishment for dangerous driving.

Not sure if there is a precedent for this though.

I don’t necessarily think it was dangerous driving and thought the same about Silverstone. What all sports fans ask for is consistency and that’s probably why a penalty was given yesterday. 

As far as I’m aware there’s nothing stopping them for taking the engine penalty at Sochi if they so wish. If Hamilton is going to need a new power unit at some point then maybe they could do that at Sochi too as he’d be in front of Verstappen but these engine penalties are farcical and punish the drivers more than the teams like when Honda engine was shit and they regularly had ridiculous penalties like 90 places or something stupid like that 
 

So Max gets a 3 place grid penalty, if red bull have any sense they’ll bring forward the change of power unit and thereby consolidate their penalties 

16 minutes ago, nebristolred said:

That's entirely Max's fault for me, not often I disagree with Brundle but I can't picture it any other way. Max is entitled to go into T1, Lewis gives him room. As they enter T2, Max is never making that corner, there is no room and he should back out, but he doesn't. And his radio message afterwards pretty much confirms that he knew it was naughty.

It’s been coming for years with the whole yield or we crash attitude, combine that with the red mist after the 11 second pit stop and we got what we saw, max needs to realise his car has a brake pedal for a reason 

What was interested was Christian Horner afterwards who sounded just like Toto did after silverstone, i don’t really want to see Max get a penalty but you also need consistency 

9 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

Could have been avoided if either were prepared to back off a bit. Not great role models.
 

I don’t understand why Mercedes pitted so early with a shortened stint on the hard tyres - they needed to go long to make the offset mediums work, as we saw with Bottas. 

I suspect it was connected to max having a 11 second stop 

28 minutes ago, TomF said:

Well this is going off in the pits.  Halo probably saved Hamilton’s life there.. 

Very classy of max to see how the other driver was, racing incident but max needs to learn where his brake pedal is sometimes and play the long game 

12 hours ago, Midlands Robin said:

Not shocked by the responses to it it though. Ranging from "it won't happen here", "we don't believe you", "no fan knows what goes on inside the club", "well it was your fault as a club for not controlling him" and so on and so on.

There are so many counter responses that could be made to their points but I sadly feel it would be a waste of breath. I get the fact that they haven't been where they would hope to be due to their ownership issues over the last decade or so but the drowning man will always grasp at anything that floats by.

Who knows. It may well all work out for them but the odds are they'll be stuck in the same rabbit hole we were. Ah well, time to move on.

I dare say that would’ve been the reaction when Watford fans posted on here, it’s just human nature of football fans i guess 

I hope now we can now move on and look to the future as the regime we’ve got now look like they could be building something 

38 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

I’m no fan of Hamilton, but fair play to him for stating the fans should get their money back, I hope that 2 laps doesn’t constitute a race in regards to ticket refunds.

 

I suspect it will because they did the two laps to achieve a classification and they went through with the farcical podium too, whether external pressure is applied to give refunds remains to be seen 

Imagine the meltdown had Lewis got pole and been gifted a race win, just seems very cynical to have a small procession behind the safety car to achieve a classification 

6 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

Superb signing & finally we have a presence in there. Can do the lot & looks quality & can see why Nige made him his number 1 target. On a side note thought King had his best game.

Kings clearance off the line was as good as a goal as he was the only one who anticipated it otherwise it’s 1-1 in the first half 

I liked how Pearson and his coaching stuff allowed the players to have their moment and then applauded them off, as others have said it really feels like we’re watching the start of something 

Does anyone know if Stephanie chose to take a big pay out or have it paid in instalments?

22 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

300ml of fuel is more than enough to get a sample for testing, I understand it’s the rule, but it should be a constructors penalty, not the Driver who has no control over that.  Cause a crash that takes out 5 Drivers, get a 5 place grid penalty, use 700ml too much fuel disqualified, F1 is losing the plot with penalties.  

 

But he potentially could of gained from running illegally, it’s like if you ignore the instruction to go on the weigh bridge you could be disqualified as you now can’t prove you weren’t running underweight, that’s motor racing and it would’ve been the same result had it been Hamilton’s car 

I actually think the 5 place grid penalty is just about right, neither Bottas or Stroll are particularly dirty drivers it was just unfortunate set of circumstances that began with the rain before the start and then making a poor start and ironically the red flag actually hurt Hamilton who’d have lost a stack of places had he pitted or not 

30 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Dreadful race, who wants to see 5 cars out in the first lap.  That may well be the fault of the Driver(s) who caused the incident, but it totally demeans the value of the race, I’d rather see the full field racing the whole race.

Actually the 5 cars out created the race which many are calling the race of the season, you wouldn’t have seen good news stories like a first time winner or Williams scoring points instead it probably would’ve been a Hamilton victory 

28 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said:

Joke, Vettel disqualified Hamilton gets another advantage….

It’s nothing to do with Hamilton, that rule has been in place for years over multiple formulas and Hamilton himself has fallen foul of it before 

The rule is in place to ensure there’s no fuel irregularities which can improve performance 

5 minutes ago, petehinton said:

I’m not so sure they will. The fact they haven’t already suspended him suggests to me they can’t afford to sack him/prepare to. 

Wouldn’t gross misconduct mean they wouldn’t owe him anything?

16 minutes ago, Snufflelufagus said:

I thought it was his cousin. 

Was his cousin and his brother 

6 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Fully agree about fewer penalties being needed as a general rule, my post was taking the quoted one and applying its logic to other incidents.

But if they stay at the same amount as now then I'm ok with that, so long as consistency is applied, which I don't think it currently is.

And also some punishments for certain infractions may need reviewing, but that's a separate discussion and this post will be long enough already.

Raised it several times now but at Imola Verstappen forces Hamilton over the kerb in the chicane lap 1*. Hamilton takes some damage which he has for the rest of the race.

At Barcelona Verstappen dives in and nearly causes an incident like Sundays, but Hamilton backing out meaning the crash doesn't happen. Also lap 1*

In Austria Norris is penalised for holding his line and Perez going off track while trying to overtake on the outside, lap 3 or 4*

Perez then punished for pushing Leclerc off track twice, no idea what laps.

*I understand that the stewards are generally told to be more forgiving of lap 1 incidents as the drivers are closer together, and contact more likely to happen, but Sundays incident was also lap 1. The Norris incident with Perez was also first lap after safety car went in which should come under the same discretion for the same reason, a bunched up pack of cars.

For me, of the Austria incidents only one is penalty worthy, the second one between Perez and Leclerc. For the reason that the footage shows Perez actively turn to his right on the exit of the left hander to force Leclerc off. The first incident between the two was hard racing which is exactly what fans have been after. As was the Norris one.

The other crucial thing is that the severity of the crash shouldn't dictate the penalty either.

The reason being that a very small and innocuous thing can inadvertently lead to a serious injury (as can often been seen with injuries in football).

As an example with the contact on Sunday, had Verstappen's wheel not come off the way it did, but the rest went the same, his car would have slowed a significant amount and the impact would have been significantly less. The severity of the transgression, i.e a driver physically turning into another driver compared to someone understeering into someone should be the key factor.

Another example being the Grosjean crash last season, a very minor bit of contact from a small misjudgement resulting in one of the biggest F1 crashes for years.

So when reviewing for punishment the pertinent parts to check is all the points up to contact being made for the last time between the cars involved. 

 

The way Horner carried on was pathetic really and actually came across to me as insincere. 

It felt like he cared more about making sure Hamilton was punished severely than he cared about Verstappen's condition. (The counter being he likely had been in contact with multiple people and knew exactly how Max was feeling and what his injuries were, or at the latest information they had to that point, let's not forget the hospital visit was purely precautionary.)

We just seem to have lost the ‘that’s motor racing’ attitude, maybe the way it’s gone is reflecting society in general but had it been Senna and Mansell coming together at Copse on Sunday you wouldn’t have had a Ron Dennis or Frank Williams demanding a penalty or race suspension they’d have left it to the drivers to sort out 

Scary thing is despite being in my 40’s I’m sounding like a grumpy old man saying ‘back in my day’ 

9 hours ago, JamesBCFC said:

So if when Perez and Leclerc battled in Austria Leclerc got suspension damage from being pushed wide then Perez should be forced to retire?

 

How do you account for smaller damage?

Verstappen pushed Hamilton over the kerbs in the chicane at Imola and Hamilton had floor damage but not enough to retire him. But as it was lap 1 it hurts every single lap of the race, so does Verstappen get a grid drop there? After all he caused it.

 

 

Or perhaps an easier solution would be that no driver goes into ever race with the attitude of "I will never back out, no matter what" like Verstappen currently does.

On track he is a bully and the only reason they weren't both retired from Barcelona where he dived in recklessly is that Hamilton backed out despite having track position. 

 

On Sunday the bully got beaten up, and while I hope there's no injuries for him I have no sympathy whatsoever when his own driving style has meant a big crash with someone was inevitable. 

Just ask Vettel or Raikkonen, who he continually crashed into a few years ago. Or Perez who he took out last season. Or Ocon who was faster and unlapping himself as he had every right to do when Verstappen crashed into him.

We need fewer penalties rather than more, we didn’t see these in the Senna Prost era for example apart from the politically motivated one at Suzuka in 1989 which gifted Prost the title and that incident played a part in what happened at the same circuit 12 months later,  neither did we see them in the Schumacher Hill era which had controversial collisions such as Adelaide 1994 and silverstone 1995

Remember Senna’s famous quote, if you no longer go for a gap you’re no longer a racing driver 

Penalties should be serious transgressions rather than for hard racing which we’ve seen in the last two races. And for the rest let the drivers sort it out for themselves rather than doing the f1 equivalent of surrounding the referee. It’s in danger of making the racing as fake as drs is 

The collision Sunday has been coming for a while, Lewis having previously looked at the bigger picture and backed out couldn’t keep doing that and maybe Max will also learn from what happened although for that to happen Red Bulls management need to take off their rose tinted glasses where their driver is concerned which is unlikely given they were exactly the same when Sebastian was their driver who incidentally has grown as a person since leaving Red Bull even if his performances haven’t always matched 

1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said:

But Perez is in an identical car to Verstappen. 

It’s been designed with Max in mind which is why both Gasly and Albon struggled so much

Anyway Karun Chandhok described the crash best, both drivers could’ve done more to avoid contact but neither did so was a racing incident but as one side obviously came off a lot worse maybe the penalty was fair.

Meanwhile Christian Horner is the Arsene Wenger of F1, doesn’t see it when his driver does anything but screams for a penalty when its anyone else