East Londoner

1 hour ago, Stortz said:

You're missing the third, far more likely possibility; that it wasn't Covid-19 at all

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you didn't have some horrible virus you may not have had before, but as @Kid in the Riot said a couple of pages back, you would have been tested in hospital and a novel Coronavirus would have been easily identified at the time, and gained worldwide attention.

If it's been running wild in the UK for 4 months, why have thousands of people not succumbed to serious lung disease or died here already, given the pace we're watching both rise at now?

Time will tell, I’m a key worker living in London so social distancing is almost impossible so it’ll be interesting to see anything comes from that or not

I’m neither a scientist or conspiracy theorist and for the time being am saved from the boredom and frustration others are experiencing, but have read various reports about the virus mutating and causing other strains of the virus so that might be your answer right there. It seems for every  person who thinks this’ll blow over quickly there’s someone who thinks this won’t so guess we’ll just have to see how it plays out 

50 minutes ago, Stortz said:

It's accepted that it emerged in China in October/ November, cases then exponentially grew in Hubei and onwards. Not every Chinese person instantly caught the disease in November at once to spread around the globe- for a start, people would have been dying all over in December.

How on earth would all the people claiming they've had it a) have caught it so quickly without the WHO or national governments noticing it and b) then not displayed the full symptoms of Covid-19?

It's nothing more than wishful thinking from people who suffered normal seasonal infections I'm afraid, as @Dr Balls has noted on this thread. The difference in scale will be all too clear in the UK within a couple of weeks.

I’m not a scientist but there’s two possibilities there, either it was treated as seasonal flu as nobody had even heard of covid-19 until February in this country and so early victims were assumed as having died of seasonal flu, or shortly after reaching Europe the virus mutated into a more serious strain, if i caught it I’d have caught the original strain which could be less serious. It’s interesting that they’re currently looking at the champions league game between Atlanta and Valencia as a possible reason for the two hotspots in Italy and Spain, this game was apparently played in Milan which has a connection with Wuhan

55 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

That's interesting, and par for the course as far as the chinese goverrnment are concerned.

Were you hospitalised with flu-like or pneumonia symptoms where the cause was unclear? Were these symptoms cleared up by antibiotics? It seems like you are a prime candidate to get the fist antibody test to rule this in/out. It will definately give them a better picture of the spread of the virus.

I was hospitalised with inflamed lymph nodes shortly after the persistent cough finished, the consultant told me it was as a result of my body working overtime to fight an infection but they had no idea what the infection was, i spent three day’s being pumped with antiviral drugs and antibiotics and started feeling better about a week later 

1 hour ago, Stortz said:

There seems to be a lot of wishful thinking going on around this.

It seems about 50% of the population are trying to convince themselves that they already 'had it around Christmas'.

Not necessarily wishful thinking as this article will explain, the information comes from a legit media source rather than a fake news website 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.ccn.com/coronavirus-patient-zero-may-have-started-pandemic-in-november-or-earlier/

I’m not really one for conspiracy theories but my company had a significant percentage of Chinese customers up until this broke around Christmastime, around that time quite a few staff got sick myself included and i ended up being hospitalised a few days after attending the QPR away game, for me it’s too much of a coincidence 

So when people are found to be immune how are they meant to highlight that status so they can resume their normal life? Wear a badge perhaps?

7 hours ago, wendyredredrobin said:

Yep, 8 weeks holiday, time off whenever you want,  free tea and coffee, 6 months paid sick leave, pointless training courses and a final salary pension are now all yours.

Not exactly if waking up at 3am counts as a holiday, whilst passenger numbers are falling off a cliff lots of staff are being forced into self isolation which is one reason for the situation in London where people (some who aren’t meant to be there) are faced with busier trains 

3 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

In other news, it seems the Government have taken back the railways from the franchisees;

https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2020/03/meanwhile-while-you-were-distracted-by-other-events-the-government-has-nationalised-the-railways.html

May be old news but I didn't realise it had gone that far - about time though.

 

Passenger numbers have fallen off a cliff, i drove a train on Sunday and the passengers could’ve had a carriage each which is extreme social distancing, and had the government not stepped in the private operators would’ve just handed back the keys 

Does mean technically I’m now a government employee 

10 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

This is probably a totally stupid question but does anyone know if takeaways/chippies are exempt from the closures?

I went to one earlier that was operating a system of only 4 customers allowed in at a time, was in East London though 

1 hour ago, robin_unreliant said:

Absolutely but mums, dads and grandparents are always dying. Judgements about whether to spend money keeping them alive are taken every day. It's what the NHS has to do as the govt limits its resource so decisions have to be made.

We restrict some treatments so money is targeted to best effect but don't think that people aren't left to die routinely because it costs too much to extend their life. Working out how to deliver the best population health outcome from a set budget happens all the time. I just suspect what's happening now is totally out of step with the way this country has done it for many decades. If this is now the right way to do it let's remember that when it's over and we can't afford to finance the nhs again as the public finances have collapsed. 

Like i said at some point down the line decisions need to be made whether we want to view things emotionally or take a more calculated approach, at the moment it’s a bit of both so nobody’s happy 

1 hour ago, robin_unreliant said:

The BBC online had a story recently around a prediction that 60% may be infected and 0.5% fatalties. That could be 200,00 of which the majority will be older people with other conditions. These are people they stated who could quite possibly have died in the next year or two anyway. 600,000 die in the uk annually in a typical year. 

All those stats make me wonder if trashing the economy is really the logical response. When NICE look at recommending a new treatment on the NHS they look at the cost compared to the benefit i. e. how many years of qualty life is delivered by spending £X. 

Why is that logic, which has contributed to controlling healthcare spending for many years, suddenly being abandoned? If this new logic, in terms of what we are prepared to spend to save lives,  carries on once this is over we will probably need to quadruple the nhs budget! 

To me it feels as if all the normal logic around what we should spend on healthcare has been turned on its head in a mass panic. It felt like our govt was reacting quite logically initially, accepting that it is inevitable that the majority of people will eventually get it, whatever. However as other countries lockdown they couldn't politically resist the pressure to follow suit. 

If 200,000 end up dying anyway and on top of that a million jobs are lost and the national debt rockets then will we look back and think the govt did a good job in this crisis?

On the other hand if, by some miracle, there are only 20,000 more deaths than usual will we be prepared to carry on spending at this same rate on the nhs budget to deliver the same kind of reduction in the normal death rate. I'm sure if we doubled the spend we could buy an extra year or two, on average, for those 600k dying every year. 

I doubt it - which suggests to me we have ditched the logic we use in normal times and are just reacting to mass panic. 

On the whole i agree with you but the problem is people get quite attached to their mother or father or grandparents and would rather they got to spend longer with them. I don’t think we’re at the stage yet where we should write off a significant number or people 

I remember thinking last week about how this virus probably did this guy with MND a favour as that’s truly an horrendous condition to have but then saw his widows reaction and neither he nor she was ready to say goodbye and who can blame them 

Maybe in the future we will have to decide between leadership that looks at things emotionally or someone who’s more calculated as they’re pluses and minuses to both. But not yet. 

As a side note as someone who’s classed as a key worker so has to go into work it’s interesting watching how people who are having to stay at home are gradually getting more irritable with each other and that’s definitely reflected in this forum 

9 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

In fairness the vast majority of us only have to look inside our little bubble whereas they have to look at the bigger picture, that said he probably could work on his people skills a bit 

Another attempt of a positive spin, if you’ve had this since Christmas you could’ve already had the virus and you have a pretty good immune system, on the negative side it’s another reason to need to self isolate if you get that now 

1 hour ago, havanatopia said:

 

The one statistic I have bought into from the start is that approximately 60% of the world's population will probably contract a mild to fatal covid 19. Nothing we do will change that approximate percentage. You will likely see a world average of around 0.5% dying which is five times that of flu. Long way to go but these are my informed estimates based on the past, what we know and what I am reading and watching in informed quarters, i hasten to add, and not in the highly politicised arena.

As others have said perhaps it is time, after all of this, to invest in washing with a B day or an adapted toilet. I have been doing it for 30 years. I love a good blast and feel nice and clean afterwards  

Those Japanese ones are awesome you could happily spent longer on it than you need to and then hardly need any toilet paper if at all 

Could be slightly encouraging news

When he was mayor of London the thing Boris was good at was surrounding himself with people who knew their stuff, and he seems to be doing the same as prime minister but obviously having to consultant with several advisors is time consuming 

17 minutes ago, Super said:

Sure this was around over xmas/new year.

Yup I’m convinced i had it then 

5 minutes ago, One Team In Keynsham said:

Johnson announced that we should be through this in 12 weeks.

His face when actually asked what that meant suggested he hadn't actually considered he would need actual facts to support his assertion.

Might be dawning on those in authority that lots of people had the virus before it even had a name 

1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

Hope you managed to stop at Parson Street.

I did try but because i don’t work for great western my company didn’t like it 

38 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Most of the train companies are doing the same, although in my part of the country at least they've doubled the number of carriages so there's no net loss in number of seats. 

I’m a train driver and this morning drove a six carriage train from Oxford to London and had a total of 21 passengers, one thing I’ve noticed as i commute in from East London is this has really highlighted social inequality (never thought I’d say that on a football forum) whilst there’s those who obviously can’t do their job at home there’s even more than can’t afford to stay at home 

10 minutes ago, Super said:

Football postponed to April 30th now.

Sensible decision but it looks pretty clear it’s the Premier League making all the decisions and everyone else following along behind 

2 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

For real? I have a similar issue in my groin / hip region that's been lingering since January. The pain is quite deep in that region, not like a surface pain and thought it was possibly psoas or something. i've got a physio appointment Friday

That could be complete coincendance because I do a lot of weightlifting and running, so very possibly just a tight muscle...

Yeah it was weird though as i was struggling to walk and stand but was able to cycle with no problems at all and i certainly don’t do any weightlifting 

I ended up spending three nights in the Royal London hospital being pumped with drugs i don’t remember which and it took another week of antibiotics before the lymph nodes starting returning to normal. 

10 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

I posted this in the politics thread. I had terrible flu just before xmas, completely bed/sofa ridden for 4-5 days. One day fine, next day even went to the gym in the morning then within an hour went from fine to couldn't move off the sofa, no energy at all. It started on a Sunday, finally felt better by about Thursday then Friday night it struck me down again for another 2 days.

Most people I had prolonged contact with were ill too,  partner came down ill a week or so later but not quite at the same level. Her dad who is an "at risk" person was hospitalised with suspected pneumonia / chest infection. My nan, in the same bracket and is house bound, also hospitalised with almost the exact same symptoms as him.

Could be coincedance but it definitely makes sense if this thing was around longer than people think - but at the same time, its winter and these are also typical flu symptoms.

I actually got hospitalised a few days after going to the QPR game, this was two weeks after the Christmas flu coughing finally stopped, initially i was diagnosed with a strangulated hernia but a ct scan revealed all the lymph nodes in my groin had become inflamed and the consultant told me that they obviously been working overtime to remove an infection. At the time of being hospitalised news about Covid 19 was only starting to appear so no connection was made but the more i think of it and remember the symptoms i had a Christmas such as wheezing that made me sound like a dog the more convinced i am it was around a lot earlier than people think 

To me that’s a positive thing because we could be hitting it’s peak a lot earlier than forecast and also a lot of people will have had it and now be immune which Is what the herd immunity thing is all about 

3 minutes ago, Harry said:

Yep. I mentioned this all the way back on page 2 or 3 I think, of this thread. 
My sister in law regularly visits China for her work. She returned in mid December and felt terrible. She was told she had severe pneumonia and was given some pretty strong drugs. 
Me and the family spent Xmas at her house, for 3 days and every one of us was ill with these corona symptoms shortly afterwards. 
 

It’s fairly common knowledge now that the first cases of this in China were Nov/Dec so I’m convinced the sister in law came back with this. She was ill for weeks, really badly. And she passed it, in a milder form, onto all of us. 
 

She also said that literally everyone on her flight home was complaining of feeling ill. 

It didn’t make sense that we were being told this virus only started in Wuhan at the end of December and just over two months later it’s made its way around the world and having so many well known people being tested positive 

On the plus side they’re closer to herd immunity than they thought and make the doomsday scenario we keep hearing about less likely 

2 minutes ago, mozo said:

So YOU were the one that started it. Finally, someone to blame!!

So kind! I did Charlton away Boxing Day and managed not to wipe out those in the away end, it was literally a case of felt alright one day and was sick the next 

Joking aside since posting that article on Facebook quite a few people have said similar that they had those symptoms from November/December onwards, this helps explain why it looks like there’s been a massive jump in cases when it’s actually been going on a lot longer than people thought, it also means a lot of those currently panicking at home with their toilet rolls are probably immune now to the virus 

Lots of people myself included think this virus has been around quite a bit longer than people think, I’m convinced i had Covid 19 over Christmas as i had almost the exact same symptoms but obviously nobody knew it existed at the time 

I found this online apologies my computer skills only go as far as copying and pasting a link https://www.ccn.com/coronavirus-patient-zero-may-have-started-pandemic-in-november-or-earlier/

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Kick them all out.

City now top. Voila!!!

According to the sun (so it must be true) ourselves Derby and Reading were also in the meeting