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Just now, Gashead1981 said:

It would appear so! 

The police also need it to warrant an investigation. 

However, as I have said, there has been no complaint or any hard evidence, and in any case, the official channel should be for JulieH to report it to her superior first and not take it upon herself to do so. Just because she is a police officer, it doesn’t give her free licence not to follow procedure. 

If the evidence was so little, they wouldn’t waste a police officers time. They would use a pcso or a non policing investigation officer to gather some basic statements from any individuals concerned. 

Police wont attend a theft now unless you have detained the person trying to thieve yourself. They the above persons to collect the statements and evidence to see whether it’s worth pursuing first. 

My experience is historic, a time when the police had more resources, and might not happen now.

I don't think for a moment Julie would investigate without the agreement of a superior officer though.

Let's face it, given the persistence of the allegation the police would be accused of bias if they did not investigate. Bit of a no win for them.

14 minutes ago, Gashead1981 said:

JulieH

I am a mod on gaschat and I have seen no application for you to join our forum. I have spoken with the other mods and no one has denied you access. 

So if you mean gaschat is unhappy to have you because of a couple of posters saying you aren’t wanted because of your red persuasion, then your post here is distorted and misleading. 

Come and join us, I’ll verify you, and you can receive your own welcome every ted gets over there. And it will be nothing to do with you being a police officer!! 

Julie doesn't say she was denied access, she says her presence was not welcomed by forum users.

No point in her being there if she's just going to get abuse. Perhaps if the mods put a stop to that a constructive relationship could be established?

15 minutes ago, Gashead1981 said:

A persons word is evidence if he has actually witnessed a crime or offense or the lead up or aftermath to an offense. 

But if there is no complainant then there is nothing to investigate further. 

If it was immeasurably witnessed at the scene then the person can be arrested, interviewed and then cautioned, the injured party could then choose not to press charges and then no further action would be taken.

 

In a sense we may be violently agreeing. 

I'm not talking here about the standard required for the police to refer to the CPS or the latter to proceed to prosecution, least of all to be acceptable to a court. None of those is met by what is in the public domain imo.

Rather I mean evidence sufficient for the police to investigate. I have been in the position of knowing a crime had been committed in the absence of a complainant and felt it  my duty to report it. The police investigated, though it went no further because they could not gather the kind of evidence to which you refer.

35 minutes ago, Gashead1981 said:

JulieH

Just wondering how you can investigate in an official capacity when:

(a) No official complaint has been made by the person who was allegedly assaulted? 

(b) Have no evidence a crime has been committed either by independent witnesses or real time cctv?

(c) There is no evidence to suggest the event took place. 

(d) If the offence did take place the person has chosen not to report the incident and press charges. 

(e) The person you are planning to see was not party to, or witnessed the incident.

Beyond settling an argument on an Internet forum, there is nothing to investigate or settle. 

If you are a well meaning copper, and I’m sure you are, in my opinion you are acting outside of the jurisdiction your warrant card gives you and you certainly can not operate this as an official line of enquiry. So you cannot proport it as such.

You even previously commenting on this forum means you have a conflict of interest or bias, which, if there ever was an official complaint made, would eliminate you instantly from being an officer in charge of the investigation or risk any potential court case (if it went that far) collapsing. You even identifying yourself as a police officer outside of duty can cause a conflict of interest as you should well know.  

And you can comment on all of the above without alluding to the case, commenting on individuals or being specific to this particular case.  

 

You may be mixing up evidence and corroboration. A person's word is evidence, even a third party's.

It may be dismissed as hearsay however in the absence of corroboration, e.g. cctv, an eye witness.

It would be quite wrong imo for the police not to investigate such a serious allegation, particularly Julie who would be subjected to accusations of bias.

3 hours ago, Swede said:

Is that a relieved look on his face?

He appears to be standing on a training ground. Must be a novel experience. 

1 hour ago, bert tann said:

 

The Colony land is owned by Dwane Colony Ltd a separate £2 Jersey  company.

Dwane Sports Ltd is the £2 Jersey company which owns Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd and now has an additional subsidiary.

This latest gambit may be a scheme to undertake some small non football related commercial development on the land at the Mem to raise cash to help subsidise football losses. The tents remain, the land footprint is squeezed even further, Darrell Clarke keeps charity shopping, but Wael can still have his fun chatting to Abramovich's bodyguards.

 

Not unless Wael moves to Israel. Which seems unlikely. 

20 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

As Jamie Oliver says about roasting chicken, "these things take thyme".

What a sage comment.

I assume you've had Rosemary?

18 minutes ago, Red Exile said:

A really interesting observation...which made me think of my professional life and the reality that very few people are hired to deliver a project of any significance who are expected to prioritise planning beyond the end of their contract. That bit is done by the people running the show...and doing the hiring. If I was running BCFC I'd be setting goals and objectives and hiring people to deliver them. In which case it's the responsibility of the manager/head coach to deliver stability, promotion, a fight against relegation...but not the long term strategic goals of the club. I think that's where the regime at City are all over the place. Set the goals and get a manager in to deliver them...the bit that's missing is, for me, an understanding of what it is that the club is trying to deliver on the pitch. Apparently today SL was saying that the goal for next season was 'making the top 6 and promotion at the end of the season (quoted on the Evening Post site)...great, but I don't see much evidence that Johnson is a manager capable of delivering the consistency across a season to achieve that...

Very thought provoking comments, thanks.

I suppose my point was that managers of the old school are often not much interested in, for instance, a club's academy as it may not deliver until after they have left. The same applies to signing the dreaded 'ones for the future' if they think the next manager will be the one to benefit  Rather like politicians not looking beyond the next election.

And if the aim is a regular turnover of players for profit stability becomes harder to achieve.

This goes beyond LJ I think and I strongly suspect financial stability is a higher priority for SL.

1 hour ago, Bri Stool City said:

Can fans not see its same old, same old; "we clear out in summer and go again" "a few tweaks at xmas" "fine lines"  then LJ sends his side kicks out till Easter and when LJ does emerge its around we go again...clear our summer, exciting times etc,etc  NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

The SL plan is set in stone and LJ will be here this time next year, even if we go down next season, as he will then be able to build again "for the future"

The only thing which may wake them up is a 30% drop in ST`s sales or proper demos, neither likely so......WE GO AGAIN......

The plan is certainly set in stone, the key point from SL's point of view being to make the club self sustaining. That's why we will continue to see player turnover if we get acceptable bids.

While I don't think LJ is in immediate danger, a continuation of current form well into next season could well lead to his demise. That's what happened to Millen, to whom SL was equally close.

Part of the point of the structure is that the strategy stays the same regardless of who is head coach. Which may deter the kind of replacement many fans want as well established managers tend to want complete control and are often not much interested in planning beyond the length of their contract.

7 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

One of my favourite sketches of all time.  One leg to few as it was known and it was Tarzan not Hamlet.  

 

Peter

I noticed that, Mr. Spiggott. When you have been in the business as long as I have you come to notice these things almost instinctively. Now, Mr. Spiggott, you, a one-legged man, are applying for the role of Tarzan - a role which, traditionally, involves the use of a two-legged actor.

Dudley

Correct.

Peter

And yet you, a unidexter, are applying for the role.

Dudley

Right.

Peter

A role for which two legs would seem to be the minimum requirement.

Dudley

Very true.

Peter

Well, Mr. Spiggott, need I point out to you where your deficiency lies as regards landing the role?

Dudley

Yes, I think you ought to.

Peter

Need I say without overmuch emphasis that it is in the leg division that you are deficient.

Dudley

The leg division?

Peter

Yes, the leg division, Mr. Spiggott. You are deficient in it to the tune of one. Your right leg I like. I like your right leg. A lovely leg for the role. That's what I said when I saw you come in. I said "A lovely leg for the role." I've got nothing against your right leg. The trouble is - neither have you. You fall down on your left.

Dudley

You mean it's inadequate?

Peter

Yes, it's inadequate, Mr. Spiggott. And, to my mind, the British public is not ready for the sight of a one-legged apeman swinging through the jungly tendrils.

Dudley

I see.

Peter

However, don't despair. After all, you score over a man with no legs at all. Should a legless man come in here demanding the role, I should have no hesitation in saying "Get out. Run away"

Just now, Jerseybean said:

Well played City, hugely important win. Listened on BCTV and thought Carey made some excellent observations/comments throughout the commentary.

He's turned into a much better pundit than I expected. Was excellent on Sky during the cup run too.

35 minutes ago, bert tann said:

 

Apologies for replying to my own post but where are all you Gasophiles and Gasophobes ?

The companies house filing shows a resolution to increase the share capital was originally passed last year and needed to be renewed this year. So it looks as though for the past 12 months Dwane Sports have been trying to unload a circa 40% stake in Rovers in the hope of attracting someone who will put up the finance for a stadium and training ground. 

Surprisingly no one seems to have fallen for this generous offer but luckily we have a mergers and  apparitions specialist on the board who has recommended the owners adopt the following 3 point plan.

a) Write  off their £15 million loan

b) Be prepared to give away their 92% shareholding for nothing

c) Find someone with £30 million who has been committed under the mental health act 

 

Does having an apparitions specialist prove you don't have a ghost of a chance of attracting investment?

12 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Last five: W2 D2 L1.

How is that relegation form?

You may want to respond to somebody who said it was. My point is that people's view is influenced by the distribution of results, or perhaps performances, over longer periods, which looks uneven.

Leaving aside those who are perpetually angry, or simply dislike LJ and want him to fail, much of the anger on here comes from disappointment when the highs become lows. When people calm down a more balanced view tends to emerge.

5 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Do you truly believe all is well after two seasons where we have hit relegation form for a long period of the season?  Will our luck hold for a third season?  History sadly suggests it won't.  

My point is that LJ and his staff have to up their game before the first game in the autumn.  Not necessarily promotion, although that was the target LJ set himself on arrival, but a balanced season ending mid table would do me.

Isn't a balanced season what we have had? As I have said in another post, is it not the sequencing of the results that distorts the impression?

As for next season, I hope for no injuries to key players and no cup run to drain both energy and motivation for starters.

As well as the end of swings in form between extremes, as you imply.

2 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Doesn’t mean our overall form is relegation-level, which was the claim. It isn’t. It’s a mixed bag.

It is. What distorts the picture is that it consists of such good runs followed by such poor ones. If the same results were more evenly distributed I suspect the response would be a lot less angry.

Just now, Top Robin said:

The wheels fell off 3 months ago

Did certainly seem to lose motivation once the cup run was over. Something wrong with the mentality if so.

I begin to think we started to believe our own publicity and think we only have to turn up to win.

1 minute ago, petehinton said:

Yep. Came out strutting around second half as if the game was already gone unfortunately 

We were complacent at Bolton too. LJ needs to have a word.

We have neither managed the game nor pressed home the advantage. Caught between two tactical stools.

1 hour ago, Jerseybean said:

Made my first visit to Villa Park on 4 May 1968, as an eleven year old, it finished Villa 2 City 4. Anyone remember who scored for us that day?

www.11v11.com/matches/aston-villa-v-bristol-city-04-may-1968-113804/

Reckon today it will be 1-1 with Snodgrass and Brownhill scoring.

I was there with 2 friends. The oldest was 14. I blame the parents.

13 hours ago, pongo88 said:

I hope you never get a job as an analyst. There isn’t a 33% chance of a win, draw or loss, because if there was each team in the league would finish the season with the same number  of points. The probability of a team winning a match is complex and is dependent on factors such as the ability of the players, form, injury etc - i e the probability of City winning a match should be greater than a team in the bottom 6. Winning or drawing 70% of matches following a MOTM award is also dodgy stats, as it doesn’t identify how many wins or draws and who they were against 

Yes I know, I did say 'crudely' as I was crudely illustrating a point about the alleged curse.

Genuine question though: Given that every match is an independent event, is it objectively the case that the probability of a 'good' team winning is greater? At the point at which all matches kick off are all results equally likely or can we quantify subjective factors like confidence to say otherwise?

Lost our discipline and composure. Unusual but we have to bounce back at Villa. Don't want a Cardiff style slump.

17 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

MOTM for Lee?  No, no and thrice no!  MOTM is the kiss of death for every manager who wins it. 

A bit of a myth. Last figures I saw the MOTM winner won or drew around 70% of the games following their award. Since, crudely, there is a 33% chance of each possible result this is pretty much what you would expect.

10 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

And Derby.

Technically behind Derby on goal difference, they haven't conceded this month.

Yes of course, I'm looking at 6 games. Ipswich to hold them to a draw then. 

3 minutes ago, grubby said:

As pointed out a win tonight and surely motm is in the bag for Lee? 

Currently joint top of the form table with Leeds so fingers crossed.