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Nogbad the Bad

Nogbad the Bad

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I see Old 'Cleggy' looks like he is going down the same route as Ming Campbell.

Cleggy: 'Dave, Umm can i call you Dave? Can we um, add, Um, bits of this policy'?

Posh Dave: 'Course you can call me Dave, Cleggy, Now sit in the corner there's a good lad.'

Cleggy: 'But, but you said....'

Mmm, not sure about pushing this Posh Dave stuff in comparison to Clegg, especially when 'Cleggy' comes from a privileged background including education at the exclusive, private, and extremely'posh' Westminster School.whistle.gif

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Roger Red Hat

Roger Red Hat

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No 2 million more did vote tory than voted labour.

Clegg has a massive problem, The world markets do not want Gormless Brown or New Liebore, When news filtered out that he may cling to power the £ dropped like a stone, The UK bond market had to open last night to prop the £ up.

So does Clegg prop up a man and his party who the world markets don't want and the UK don't want and risk what's happening in Greece happening in the UK, For PR, The electorate will never forgive him if he does that. Especially given that even with Lib Dem support it will be a minority government.

or does he give the UK a stable government for 18 months, To break the back of the UK debt problem in exchange for lesser bribes from the tories and the knowledge that in another election 2 years down the line, He will have the experience of real power and possibly a fairer voting system, it's about time the parties did the right thing for electorate for a change and not for self interest and tribal politics.

Certainly its a mighty fine democracy that's at the whim of the international money markets.

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fka dagest

fka dagest

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I bet you almost choked on your, Wheatgrass and Lavender Choca Mocha this morning. Hope it didn't ruin the Job pages in the Guardian.

I would have never have guessed you were a Civil Servant, Frontline is it ?

:laugh:

That's quite amusing actually.

Actually, I don't like the Guardian at all - far too sanctimonious for me.

And no, it's not frontline.

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Roger Red Hat

Roger Red Hat

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Yeah of course the money markets are'nt important are they.

'and London burned whilst Gormeless fiddled'.

I didn't say they were unimportant, but you wouldn't be able to see that in your haste to have a pop at one of my posts.

I was suggesting that no matter who a country's citizens vote for, the will of the market dictates what will happen in said country. You, in your ultimate wisdom may think that constitutes democracy, personally I don't.

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Hicksy-BCFC

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I reckon its a bit shithouse when a little party that can only scramble together 50 seats gets to bloody decide who is our new Government!!!

I thought long and hard on the issues the other day and backed old Cameron.

Not that my vote mattered too much - the Putney woman got 52%!!

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Bounce Around the Ground

Bounce Around the Ground

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I reckon its a bit shithouse when a little party that can only scramble together 50 seats gets to bloody decide who is our new Government!!!

That 'little party' got 6 million votes. Only 2 million less than Labour. This is why the voting system needs to change. UKIP for example got close to a million votes and didn't get a single seat.

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Hicksy-BCFC

Hicksy-BCFC

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That 'little party' got 6 million votes. Only 2 million less than Labour. This is why the voting system needs to change. UKIP for example got close to a million votes and didn't get a single seat.

Changing the system would allow smaller parties seats in parliament.

Recipe for disaster if you ask me.

I'd rather keep it as it is.

You get more votes than the other candidates, you win the seat. Done.

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Tales From The Front

Tales From The Front

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That 'little party' got 6 million votes. Only 2 million less than Labour. This is why the voting system needs to change. UKIP for example got close to a million votes and didn't get a single seat.

But on your logic and that of the Limp Dims.....the BNP..... who fortunately got wipped out in the council elections as well as beeing well hand truely stuffed in the general election would also be represented. Something perhaps we should all think about.

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Bounce Around the Ground

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But on your logic and that of the Limp Dims.....the BNP..... who fortunately got wipped out in the council elections as well as beeing well hand truely stuffed in the general election would also be represented. Something perhaps we should all think about.

As much as I hate the BNP, it would be against democracy and free speech to keep the system as it is just to deny one party representation.

There should at least be a referendum on how to change it imo.

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Tales From The Front

Tales From The Front

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As much as I hate the BNP, it would be against democracy and free speech to keep the system as it is just to deny one party representation.

There should at least be a referendum on how to change it imo.

All for a referendum....shame Referendum has sudenly become the most used word in the Labour party vocabulary, when we should have had at least one by now on the Lisbon treaty. What we all need now irrespective of your political view point is strong government to get us out of the current financial mess and I think its almost inevitable we will be back to the polls in the next 6-12 months. My view is under PR this would be a very regulalr occurance.

But I agree let the people decide.

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CiderHider

CiderHider

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I don't like the way the media focus this much attention on getting through new policy's so quickly, its like the tabloid media is there tapping its watch face demanding a list of demands it wants carried out Immediately Like its the voice of the the people or some crap, piss off, I hate them.

We need to take stock, Chill out, let them take their time over this before they get bullied into making some very stupid decisions, they will find a solution that is best for all eventually, I think we have to give them that opportunity.

I'm not a huge fan of this push from the campaigns for proportional representation, electoral reform society says its just interested in how we choose our politician ok that's fine, but these fruitloops want to change the whole society, government, everything! sounds bureaucratic, oppressive and very commie to me.

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SC_Red

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SNP

really?

Labour dismisses Alex Salmond's suggestion of a "progressive alliance", saying the possibility of the nationalists and Labour working together was "a desperate attempt by Alex Salmond to make himself look relevant after a terrible general election result".

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CiderHider

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As much as I hate the BNP, it would be against democracy and free speech to keep the system as it is just to deny one party representation.

There should at least be a referendum on how to change it imo.

I don't think having a referendum on every decision people feel strongly about is way forward for modern politics,on the EU though? Bring it on, lets move out of EU zone, and isn't it the Lib Dems who said they would have a referendum on being in the EU? Yeps, Clegg said that.

The Torys would be clever to give them the job of brokering that, call their bluff, or did Clegg lie to us on live TV? We might be geographly close, but do we need really need to pay hundreds of millions every week for Brussels to process some more forms to sign and directives to comply with, where is this money comming from? and what are we getting in return?

So I think we're quite capable of running our own affair's thank-you. and Its not a if being part of it has helped our ecomomy much recently has it, not help our manufacturing either, destroyed it maybe.

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I don't think having a referendum on every decision people feel strongly about is way forward for modern politics,on the EU though? Bring it on, lets move out of EU zone, and isn't it the Lib Dems who said they would have a referendum on being in the EU? Yeps, Clegg said that.

The Torys would be clever to give them the job of brokering that, call their bluff, or did Clegg lie to us on live TV? We might be geographly close, but do we need really need to pay hundreds of millions every week for Brussels to process some more forms to sign and directives to comply with, where is this money comming from? and what are we getting in return?

So I think we're quite capable of running our own affair's thank-you. and Its not a if being part of it has helped our ecomomy much recently has it, not help our manufacturing either, destroyed it maybe.

I think its widely recognised that Thatch was the leader of the pack in terms of destroying UK manufacturing.

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southy354

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The P.R seats:

Party   Seats   % vote   PR seats

Conservative   306   36.1   234.29

Labour   258   29   188.21

Liberal Democrat   57   23   149.27

Democratic Unionist Party   8   0.6   3.89

Scottish National Party   6   1.7   11.03

Sinn Fein      5   0.6   3.89

Plaid Cymru   3   0.6   3.89

Social Democratic & Labour Party   3   0.4   2.6

Green   1   1   6.49

Alliance Party   1   0.1   0.65

UK Independence Party   0   3.1   20.12

British National Party   0   1.9   12.33

Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force   0   0.3   1.95

English Democrats   0   0.2   1.3

Respect-Unity Coalition   0   0.1   0.65

Traditional Unionist Voice   0   0.1   0.65

Christian Party   0   0.1   0.65

Independent Community and Health Concern   0   0.1   0.65

Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition   0   0   0

Scottish Socialist Party   0   0   0

Others   1   1.1   7.14

Copied this from another forum, with the seats just based on the votes as a whole.

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Tales From The Front

Tales From The Front

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The P.R seats:

Party   Seats   % vote   PR seats

Conservative   306   36.1   234.29

Labour   258   29   188.21

Liberal Democrat   57   23   149.27

Democratic Unionist Party   8   0.6   3.89

Scottish National Party   6   1.7   11.03

Sinn Fein      5   0.6   3.89

Plaid Cymru   3   0.6   3.89

Social Democratic & Labour Party   3   0.4   2.6

Green   1   1   6.49

Alliance Party   1   0.1   0.65

UK Independence Party   0   3.1   20.12

British National Party   0   1.9   12.33

Ulster Conservatives and Unionists - New Force   0   0.3   1.95

English Democrats   0   0.2   1.3

Respect-Unity Coalition   0   0.1   0.65

Traditional Unionist Voice   0   0.1   0.65

Christian Party   0   0.1   0.65

Independent Community and Health Concern   0   0.1   0.65

Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition   0   0   0

Scottish Socialist Party   0   0   0

Others   1   1.1   7.14

Copied this from another forum, with the seats just based on the votes as a whole.

Interesting, but how could any party have suffcient mandate to pass its manifesto? We would be voting every 6 months. PR is fashionable but Labour have shown no appitite for this previously, I don't remember anyone in 1997 advocating PR so the Tory voters could be better represented. Perhaps some on here would rather there was no Conservitive party, but be honest about it, don't use PR as a clocked argument for not agreeing with the Torys.

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fka dagest

fka dagest

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that's democracy for you

views you don't agree with being represented

You're quite right. Any other system is democracy in name only.

Rather than denying the BNP a voice the best solution would be to let them say what they have to say and then show them where they are hopelessly wrong.

In my opinion, as long as they can portray themselves as being opppressed, silenced etc then they will pull a chord with the common man.

PR is the only hope on ending this hopeless cycle Labour/Tory rule. It breeds contempt and smug complacenecy amongst our elected reprentatives.

I also honestly beelive that more people would be inclined to vote with PR. Does anyone know what average voter turnout is under PR?

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