East End Racist Chants - Wtf?

[Robbored]

The football terrace is a completely different animal you accept it 's part of football and both sets of supporters accept it.

Agree that both sets of fans accept the exchange of chants apparently regardless of how offensive they might be.

Doesn't make it right tho'.

Whether you agree or not 'where's your poppadum' and 'small town in Asia' is a racist chant. End of.

[054123]

Agree that both sets of fans accept the exchange of chants apparently regardless of how offensive they might be.

Doesn't make it right tho'.

Whether you agree or not 'where's your poppadum' and 'small town in Asia' is a racist chant. End of.

Right, again the chant was 'can we have a poppadom?'. How can that possibly be racist? I thought it was funny.

The small town in Asia chant, which i have eluded to in an earlier post, is something that doesn't sit right with me, regardless of whether they sang 'small town in Wales'. That said, it was sung once, by a minority of the usual singers and, as i say, was part of verbal 'small town' fisticuffs. I certainly wouldn't stand there and think 'god, i'm stood with a bunch of right wing loonies'.

[sodburyred]

I dont like being called Welsh or a Carrot Cruncher!!! Am i suffering racist abuse? Do I need to inform the police?

[Riaz]

Agree that both sets of fans accept the exchange of chants apparently regardless of how offensive they might be.

Doesn't make it right tho'.

Whether you agree or not 'where's your poppadum' and 'small town in Asia' is a racist chant. End of.

Tell me WHY that is offensive? whats wrong with a poppadom? whats wrong with being asain??

[Superjack]

From the Dolman I didnt hear any racist singing.

Leicester fans sang "Small Town in Wales" but does any City fan feel offended by that?

Bit like if City had sang "Small Town in Asia", I doubt very much if any Leicester fan would consider it racist, just geographically challenged.

Mountain out of a mole hill.

I am asian - and I was'nt remotely offended.

The "England" chant does not refer to colour - We we're saying that leicester is like another country, hence the england chant.

People who get offended by saturday's chant WANT to be offended.

What they said.

[Pederho ll]

I have to agree with you on this.

Surely you have to say nothing or act on it. Is there really anything in between?

Agreed, it's just a pointless comment to make unless the club are going to do anything about it......if indeed there is anything to do anything about! Man, I'm confused!

Is the blog in question the one that is released on the main website? If so, internally his text must have been approved / proof read etc, so as far as l am concerned the club agree with Dave's comments.

Interesting stuff.......

[054123]

Did no one else think the Naan Bread chant was ridiculous and hilarious at the same time?

I was actually a bit worried about genuine racist chanting, but all that was actually sung was some good natured banter.

[dezgimed]

Agree that both sets of fans accept the exchange of chants apparently regardless of how offensive they might be.

Doesn't make it right tho'.

Whether you agree or not 'where's your poppadum' and 'small town in Asia' is a racist chant. End of.

Does chanting a supposedly racist chant mean you are a racist though?

[Abraham Romanovich]

As an aside, there are two kinds of people I can't stand in this world. Those who are intolerant of other peoples' cultures. and the Welsh.

[Superjack]

As an aside, there are two kinds of people I can't stand in this world. Those who are intolerant of other peoples' cultures. and the Welsh.

Surely you forgot the French!

[Superjack]

Surely you forgot the French!

I'm not racist, mind!

[Robbored]

Tell me WHY that is offensive? whats wrong with a poppadom? whats wrong with being asain??

Thats already been explained very eloquently by AJSylvester. No need for me explain it again.

I know that you see it differently and thats fair enough.

I will say this - working in the NHS virtually all my working life the slightest hint of racism was severely dealt with. If I had asked one of the many Asian staff I worked with 'where's your poppadom?' in any tone I would have been in deep shite.

In a case conference once I described a patient of mine as 'the black sheep of the family'. I was immediately reprimanded by the case co-ordinator. He said such phrases were unacceptable. Over sensative maybe but but it made me very aware.

[dezgimed]

Well that is sad.

[BITW]

Claiming this is any different to the small town in Wales chant is laughable. This over sensitive country is in a sad state. It's an overused phrase but PC has gone mad.

Surely Riaz's voice is the most relevant in this particular argument being of Asian dissent, and he's made it quite clear it's not even remotely offensive.

[BITW]

Thats already been explained very eloquently by AJSylvester. No need for me explain it again.

I know that you see it differently and thats fair enough.

I will say this - working in the NHS virtually all my working life the slightest hint of racism was severely dealt with. If I had asked one of the many Asian staff I worked with 'where's your poppadom?' in any tone I would have been in deep shite.

In a case conference once I described a patient of mine as 'the black sheep of the family'. I was immediately reprimanded by the case co-ordinator. He said such phrases were unacceptable. Over sensative maybe but but it made me very aware.

Everything wrong with this country in a nut shell.

[Robbored]

Surely Riaz's voice is the most relevant in this particular argument being of Asian dissent, and he's made it quite clear it's not even remotely offensive.

I'm sure that Riaz will agree that he's not the voice of the Asian population of Bristol, never mind Leicester.

[BITW]

I'm sure that Riaz will agree that he's not the voice of the Asian population of Bristol, never mind Leicester.

Still the most reliable source on this thread that it's not offensive. And he shares the view of most on here. I don't think I suggested he was the voice of asians, just the only asian (we know of) on this thread.

[Avalonred]

That is likely to be the most reasonable and sensible comment in this entire thread.

I agree!

[The Gasbuster]

Everything wrong with this country in a nut shell.

Agree 100% !!

[bringbacktherobin]

I work in wales, i find remarks such as wurzels and comments about tractors offensive, if i bought it to the attention to HR would anything happen. No.

Now, if there was a asian man working there, they starting calling him "paki" and asking where is his turban, and that was bought to the attention of HR, something would happen.

Where does the line get drawn?

What is the difference between racism and having a laugh?

There are some welsh people who genuinely hate the english, now is that racism? Or just a bit of fun, i know what i think it is.

[Dolman Block B]

Found all 4 minutes of it here on Youtube.................

Make what you want of it but for me its only good banter!!! If you think this is bad then you should have been about in the 80,s!!! Jesus!!!!

[NifflerNomad]

Should I find what milwall fans sing about city offence.......

"i can't read, I can't write but I can drive a tractor I'm a Bristol city fan and I'm a fncking wauker

[cider head]

Jesus! mary! H, dear oh dear.....

Any one listened to black (dare i say black?) hip hop - rap - r&b music being chucked out on the airwaves and sold in music stores for personal gain for years?? makes this thread look very silly regarding racism, crime, guns, sexisam, drugs you name it it's in the lyrics but there is no wurzels with pitch forks demanding hmv to remove such material??? you see other creeds and colours have embraced such so called offensive words like THE N WORD and now use it to their own advantage and personal gain and the fact they use the word to greet each other, it seems the only people who have a problem is white people (am i allowed to say white?) now i was a hip hop - rap r&b dj in bristol for 5 years and the music i played when first started had me peeping over the booth waiting for the bottles to come flying (they didn't) as the lyrical content was full of much worse than the word poppadoms but it's accepted in their music culture now and has been for the past 16 odd years, i do know a fair few black people would piss themselfs laughing at all this...

Blimey, 2pac, snoop dog, N.O.R.E hang your heads in shame for making me sing along to your music using the N-word

Oh and there is a weslsh defence league who has had a demo in cardiff

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10243297

[eskay]

David Lloyd's next blog entry will be called 'paul trollope's mother'.

[NifflerNomad]

Should I find what milwall fans sing about city offence.......

"i can't read, I can't write but I can drive a tractor I'm a Bristol city fan and I'm a fncking wauker"

No I don't I found it a funny chant. I can't remember how the naan bread went chant but that was funny aswell.

I'm friends with Riaz and he calls me a English b@st@rd should I report him to the police? No because I don't find neither offence

This club & country sometimes really get on my tits

[Dolman Block B]

Jesus! mary! H, dear oh dear.....

Any one listened to black (dare i say black?) hip hop - rap - r&b music being chucked out on the airwaves and sold in music stores for personal gain for years?? makes this thread look very silly regarding racism, crime, guns, sexisam, drugs you name it it's in the lyrics but there is no wurzels with pitch forks demanding hmv to remove such material??? you see other creeds and colours have embraced such so called offensive words like THE N WORD and now use it to their own advantage and personal gain and the fact they use the word to greet each other, it seems the only people who have a problem is white people (am i allowed to say white?) now i was a hip hop - rap r&b dj in bristol for 5 years and the music i played when first started had me peeping over the booth waiting for the bottles to come flying (they didn't) as the lyrical content was full of much worse than the word poppadoms but it's accepted in their music culture now and has been for the past 16 odd years, i do know a fair few black people would piss themselfs laughing at all this...

Blimey, 2pac, snoop dog, N.O.R.E hang your heads in shame for making me sing along to your music using the N-word

Oh and there is a weslsh defence league who has had a demo in cardiff

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10243297

Exactly Sean.

Just a bunch of youngs unnes aving a good laugh. Let umme be

[Mr Gow]

Sick to the back teeth of the word racism, the only ppl who get annoyed at so say racist remarks are do gooder white ppl, and Asians who play it as a trump card.

Why dont ppl just get a life, hell how many times do the Germans French Dutch Scots Welsh etc etc etc sing about the English.

This damn racist malarky has got well well out of hand

[herman]

Sick to the back teeth of the word racism, the only ppl who get annoyed at so say racist remarks are do gooder white ppl, and Asians who play it as a trump card.

Why dont ppl just get a life, hell how many times do the Germans French Dutch Scots Welsh etc etc etc sing about the English.

This damn racist malarky has got well well out of hand

hi mate, not to get off track but i go to a lot of football in germany and have never once heard a single chant about the english. what i have heard, at lower league games in the east, is constant use of the "n" word and monkey noises. if we define that as racism, then what we are talking about here is clearly not in the same league.

however, anyone who was chanting that song...would you go up to an asian looking person in the street and ask for a poppadom because you think its funny? would you sing the naan bread song when, say, s****horpe are in town? because its funny, and not based on the racial make up of the opposition fans?

i think dave l. has made a bit of a storm in a tea cup here because unless anyone really complains then its a non-issue. leicester fans must hear worse. sure, there are EDL members in the east end, i think we can all agree on that. you probably have to expect to hear comments like that. i play football in germany a lot and get a lot of banter about my nationality. after they did us 4-1 in the world cup i wore my england shirt the next week, i knew it was coming, but i also know how to recognise what is a joke and banter, as opposed to actual direct racism. refusing someone entry to the ground because they look asian is racist, singing a song about indian food is probably just ill-advised banter

[the frampton balti]

bleedin PINKOS .........No idea!

[Mr Gow]

Lets take a visit to Pakistan wearing our christian crosses around our necks, then we will find out what racism is all about!

[Redcliffe 78]

Sick to the back teeth of the word racism, the only ppl who get annoyed at so say racist remarks are do gooder white ppl, and Asians who play it as a trump card.

Why dont ppl just get a life, hell how many times do the Germans French Dutch Scots Welsh etc etc etc sing about the English.

This damn racist malarky has got well well out of hand

Well put, playing right into there hands, winds me right up. Like i said earlier next time im called a farmer at anyway ground im writing to Dave about it and i expect an e-mail saying i have had racist abuse thrown at me. (Obviously i wont but what is this world coming too.)

[BS3_RED]

I read two pages and had to post.

Right talk about over the top reaction. Its no different to the Welsh songs we sing when we play Cardiff and Swansea. Now i take my little girl down the gate and she was born in Wales and we take NO OFFENCE to it. FFS some people need to get a life.

['Orns]

Lets take a visit to Pakistan wearing our christian crosses around our necks, then we will find out what racism is all about!

Nail on head Mr Gow! Maybe they'd let us wear them whilst building a church in downtown Kashmir........no, thought not!

The fact is, we're soft as sh1te over here, for fear of offending people, yet bend over and take one at the earliest opportunity abroad.

I even heard Nasser Hussain give an interview the other day having a laugh about his decision to bat at the Gabba the other year, he's having a laugh about it whilst the Aussies are ripping it out of him - stand up for yourself man. Does my head in, just too darned polite at times

[Riaz]

Thats already been explained very eloquently by AJSylvester. No need for me explain it again.

I know that you see it differently and thats fair enough.

I will say this - working in the NHS virtually all my working life the slightest hint of racism was severely dealt with. If I had asked one of the many Asian staff I worked with 'where's your poppadom?' in any tone I would have been in deep shite.

In a case conference once I described a patient of mine as 'the black sheep of the family'. I was immediately reprimanded by the case co-ordinator. He said such phrases were unacceptable. Over sensative maybe but but it made me very aware.

My mother works for the NHS - the way they deal with racism is crazy - suspending people for weeks on end for being accused....... the accused person had mixed raced children!!

so I dont think using the NHS is a good example.

It does make me laugh how white/english people are always telling me what is racism - bet you've never experienced racism either!

[Martyn Hocking]

Whether you agree or not 'where's your poppadum' and 'small town in Asia' is a racist chant. End of.

Not often I find myself 100% in agreement with Robbo, but I do here. The apologists on this thread serve to remind me of the stuff some City fans used to chant at Palace and other teams with black players in the 70s/ early 80s. The Leicester stuff sounds a lot milder but it's just plain wrong IMO.

[Riaz]

the only ppl who get annoyed at so say racist remarks are do gooder white ppl, and Asians who play it as a trump card

That is why it annoys me so much - people making a big deal over little things like this - because when racism really happens, the immediate reaction is "oh look there using the race card again"

[Robin101]

Riaz, I couldn't answer that. There are a couple of thousand of them.

If there was a Dad and kids in either stand who felt people were making comment on their race and felt uncomfortable because of it would you feel that's ok?

How about you walked into a house party with people you didn't know and the first person said "hello. Where's your popadom?" followed by another comments suggesting you weren't English - would you sit down at that party and think to yourself 'what a welcoming bunch. I feel well at home here'?

I'd assume i was supposed to bring a gift.

[Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan]

Found all 4 minutes of it here on Youtube.................

Make what you want of it but for me its only good banter!!! If you think this is bad then you should have been about in the 80,s!!! Jesus!!!!

Good point, you could also include the early 90's. I watched us at Filbert Street 93 or 94 and some of the chants directed at the Leicester fans on that day were most definatly racist, likewise at Stoke in the same season. Im sure it used to happen alot and the Police didnt seem to care, perhaps it shows how far football has come in the last 20 years that these chants are being debated at great length.

Imo it does sound more like banter than actual racism, perhaps slightly ill judged but certainly not in the same league as the chants from the early 90's

[Guest AJ Sylvester]

You are wrong, so very wrong. By most definitions I am middle-class and overall wouldnt want to change that so why would I have a chip about it.

But that doesnt mean I wouldnt stand up for anyone that I consider to be victimized. In this case, as Gamon has perceptively highlighted, its ironically the "EastEnd hoolies".

In this instance it is apparent, from an objective defintion of racism, and from the evidence, that there was no racism.

This isn't having a go at "EastEnd hoolies" - no-one's called them hoolies and the only reason the EastEnd was brought into it is that that's the stand the chants came from.

I love the East End. I love the colour, the noise, the passion, the support for the team. The ethnicity of Leicester, however, has nothing to do with supporting our team. As I said, if you want to debate it and make jokes about it - please don't do it in such a clumsy way at a football ground.

[RedRock]

In a case conference once I described a patient of mine as 'the black sheep of the family'. I was immediately reprimanded by the case co-ordinator. He said such phrases were unacceptable. Over sensative maybe but but it made me very aware.

Quite right. On behalf of our welsh friends, anyone who implies that sheep are somehow bad should be stoned to death.

[Danny P]

This isn't having a go at "EastEnd hoolies" - no-one's called them hoolies and the only reason the EastEnd was brought into it is that that's the stand the chants came from.

I love the East End. I love the colour, the noise, the passion, the support for the team. The ethnicity of Leicester, however, has nothing to do with supporting our team. As I said, if you want to debate it and make jokes about it - please don't do it in such a clumsy way at a football ground.

[Danny P]

You Pratt, how the hell is that racist, 1 thing to say to u slyvester, sod off you plonker

[Danny P]

Or numpty!!!!

[Guest AJ Sylvester]

If you are asking me personally, from past actions I can say no, I wouldnt allow somebody to be bullied without stepping in.

But you are asking the wrong question....

.....I have surmised that no Asian Leicester fan has considered themselves to a victim of racism, the evidence suggests that is a correct assumption, therefore there is no need to intervene.

But here's the problem mate, it is, as you've said an assumption. You've surmised. You don't know.

I too imagine that most Leicester fans weren't Asian and that of those many wouldn't have taken offense. But there's 2000 odd fans in that stand and if by chanting that you have offended just a few, you have without realising it racially abused them. You may not have intended it, you may not have realised it but you would have directed a reference about their race at them which has offended them.

If ONE young Asian lad or lass went home after that game feeling upset and angry that his race had been brought up as a marker again - can you justify that chant for the cheap giggles you got from it?

Football is about being inclusive. Race, gender, age and class don't matter - that's the glory. So why spoil it by marking groups out by their colour or descent?

[Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan]

Lets take a visit to Pakistan wearing our christian crosses around our necks, then we will find out what racism is all about!

Surely this is more about religion than race, however I agree that as a society we are probably alot more tolerant to other peoples beliefs

[Guest AJ Sylvester]

I'm struggling to see why you're labouring the point mate. I appreciate you took exception to some of the chants on Saturday, but i honestly feel you are looking for something that just wasn't there.

I personally can't abide racist behaviour and in my time following football i have had to listen to some ridiculous stuff, not chanting, but general conversation in pubs or on coaches etc. I tend to bite my tongue with the older lot as you aren't going to change them, and saying anything just makes you look like a dick. You can call me a coward and thats fine. The younger lot i genuinely do try to engage with and ask why they think like they do and say what they say. It always amazes me how much 'Immigrants' are to blame for things, but not the government we actually vote into power, crazy.

I respect your position, but truthfully you are needlessly trying to make out that City in some way acted in a racist way on Saturday and that wasn't the case. The topic may be subjective, but i did not feel embarrassed by anything that occurred on Saturday.

As you said you do hear far worse. But by accepting this marking you're allowing those muppets who want to be controversial and say worse stuff to get away with it. Teenagers in the stands can grow up believing it's acceptable to single out Asian communities (or others) as being different. That get's interpretted the wrong way (and if nothing else in this thread you know that people do see these things differently) then it can lead to worse.

[craigBCFC]

Who cares!! This thread is pointless! 90% of football fans go to matches and mouth off, f-ing and blinding at players.managers,referees and away fans! Regardless of their race, colour, religion or anything! Does anyone ever feel bad about it? Do you think these people are offended?

The chants that go around all football grounds are un-believable at times! Look at Rangers and Celtic! it part of the territory of going to football matches! The language and things that are said are completely different to real life! How come police officers don't arrest people for abusive language at a football grounds that they would on the street? Its because football is a controlled environment where fans pretty much say what they want when they want because they have paid their money!

Look at the abuse Holloway has suffered over the years, thats worse than racism thats pure hatred!

Lets face it if you don't like it don't go, I was in the Eastend saturday it was banter because of the amount of Asian's that "so say" live in that City. Its no worse than what people sing about us, what we sing about Trollopes mother or rovers as a club. Its all abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As with anything these things get out of hand go to a stweard about it!

I am sick of hearing about racism, the UK is probably the most tolerant country in the world!! We are in the middle of a recession I just want to go and watch my football on a saturday without PC brigade jumping up as soon as a so say "anti-asian" chant comes up.

Racism shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstance, I just don't truly believe people were NOT out to offend the Asian community Saturday!

Football supporters dislike any club/supporters that isn't their's regardless of race, location ,accent, whatever!

[craigBCFC]

Who cares!! This thread is pointless! 90% of football fans go to matches and mouth off, f-ing and blinding at players,managers,referees and away fans! Regardless of their race, colour, religion or anything! Does anyone ever feel bad about it? Do you think these people are offended?

The chants that go around all football grounds are un-believable at times! Look at Rangers and Celtic! its part of the territory of going to football matches! The language and things that are said are completely different to real life! How come police officers don't arrest people for abusive language at a football grounds that they would on the street? Its because football is a controlled environment where fans pretty much say what they want when they want because they have paid their money!

Look at the abuse Holloway has suffered over the years, thats worse than racism thats pure hatred!

Lets face it if you don't like it don't go, I was in the Eastend saturday it was banter because of the amount of Asian's that "so say" live in that City. Its no worse than what people sing about us, what we sing about Trollopes mother or rovers as a club. Its all abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As with anything these things get out of hand go to a stweard about it!

I am sick of hearing about racism, the UK is probably the most tolerant country in the world!! We are in the middle of a recession I just want to go and watch my football on a saturday without PC brigade jumping up as soon as a so say "anti-asian" chant comes up.

Racism shouldn't be tolerated under any circumstance, I just don't truly believe people were NOT out to offend the Asian community Saturday!

Football supporters dislike any club/supporters that isn't their's regardless of race, location ,accent, whatever!

[Guest AJ Sylvester]

I dont like being called Welsh or a Carrot Cruncher!!! Am i suffering racist abuse? Do I need to inform the police?

No because neither is racist.

If the Welsh were a minority within England who had a political party established in the country with the aim of sending all Welsh people back to Wales and groups marching on Bristol to participate in often violent anti-Welsh marches then things would be different.

[RedRock]

Sometimes you just despair at the PC brigade.

They're beginning to alienate the moderate majority - let them get on with it.

Come the revolution and we'll then be able to start addressing important issues such as population control, habitat destruction and animal cruelty... without concern about offending religious/race sensibilities.

[Guest TobysDad]

Seems to me as though this thread raises a number of topics:

On one hand some think its acceptable to refer to something as pathetic as Leicester being part of Asia as being racist. Some think the same of questions about Indian cuisine.

Some link that to throwing bananas and presumably making monkey noises at presumably black players.

Some seem to think that it's PC gone mad and that as long as words like "paki" or "*Racist Term Removed" aren't used then its acceptable.

Some think that if someone who represents the club "blogs" it - why do people do blogs, tweet or join Face Book? - then the club needs to do something or shut up about it.

What I'd like to know as I'm lead in the bath is what all those were doing this afternoon when they were replying to this? Was it waiting for Deal or no Deal? Waiting for your mammies to tell you tea was ready? Or job seeking?

I saw Frankie Boyle last night and thought he was superb. Made ethnic and cultural jokes galore. Difference was the intent.

If you use language or actions with the intent to cause offence then you deserve all that comes your way. If you do so out of ignorance and as some poor excuse of humour you deserve pity.

[dezgimed]

Where were the poppadoms anyway?

[Guest TobysDad]

Just reading this again.

Interesting that someone considers that "paki" is acceptable and yet the N word that I typed in full has been replaced with "racist term removed".

And there we have it. What one considers to be racist - and I consider both to be - others take a different view. And then we have intent and context.

The use of either is often prefaced with the F word and can be followed with hate and venom.

Taking it to a different level of debate, or getting to the nub of it.

Or am I simply a black sheep waiting for Lord Sugar to come on?

[Guest AJ Sylvester]

Everything wrong with this country in a nut shell.

Yeah clearly. People trying to eradicate racism and daft stereotypes about Asians is everything wrong about this country. People trying to bring a level of respect between everyone ruin this world.

Job cuts, crime rates and the environment are nothing compared to those nasty people won't let me say anything I want to.

So if you really think that's everything wrong with this country in a nut shell then you probably don't consider many issues at length.

[Calculus]

Personally am not sure that the chants quoted are seriously racist although one man's take is different to anothers. One thing has always confused me about our more vocal supporters - why do people spend so much time abusing the opposition instead of supporting their own team? This sort of low-brow tribalism doesn't happen to anything like the same degree in other sports - why football?

[Guest AJ Sylvester]

Sometimes you just despair at the PC brigade.

They're beginning to alienate the moderate majority - let them get on with it.

Come the revolution and we'll then be able to start addressing important issues such as population control, habitat destruction and animal cruelty... without concern about offending religious/race sensibilities.

Actually if it wasn't for those muppets singing "England" alongside "small town in Asia", "naan bread etc" or any of the other numerous songs about Asians in Leicester then I would be able to wave my England flag all the time with no fear of being labelled racist.

It's those idiots that use the term "England" and the flag to mark themselves out as different to Asians that mean we have fewer England flags out.

[NickJ]

But here's the problem mate, it is, as you've said an assumption. You've surmised. You don't know.

But you've only repeated half of what I said, which was:

.....I have surmised that no Asian Leicester fan has considered themselves to a victim of racism, the evidence suggests that is a correct assumption, therefore there is no need to intervene.

To make it clear I:

1. Made an assumption.

2. Tested the assumption from the available evidence.

3. Drew a conclusion from the evidence.

The evidence suggests I am right but you are so entrenched in your view that you dont want to see it.

[RedRock]

The PC brigade will ban you waving the English flag so you won't need to worry. In some parts of the country they've already banned Xmas festivities for fear of upsetting other races and religions.

As I was saying this country has gone mad.... but I suspect we're reaching the tipping point.

[dezgimed]

This is boring now. If the softies want to argue on behalf of someone else for the sake of all things good then let them, it will fall on deaf ears in most cases I reckon.

[Mr Gow]

I wouldnt want to be called an Asian if i was a Leicster fan, i mean if i was at Watford v City and the Watford fans refered to me as European i would'nt be too happy

[Us_and_Them]

Sylvester, i have just read through the whole thread and it seems the majority feel it was just banter/harmless.

So why don't you stop forcing your view of things onto everyone else!

Typical of the minority just like we have found with ashton vale.

[steviestevieneville]

Disagree completely Riaz. You may not find them offensive but plenty of people can and do.

"Small town in Asia" is clearly aimed to mock the Asian population of Leicester.

Chants of "Eng-er-land, Eng-er-land" are clearly implying that Asian people aren't English and that somehow being white makes you more English than Asian people.

According to Leicester forums there were also chants of "where's your popadom" - which goes without saying.

I know not everyone gets offended by it but plenty of people do. A lot of Asian fans of both clubs could have heard that and felt unwelcome. Those chants were aimed to mock/insult otherwise they wouldn't have been sung and I know enough people who would have been pretty upset to hear them had they been there. Are we really trying to make people feel unwelcome here!?! I hope not.

Finally, to those of us like myself who love to wave the England flag - it's THOSE chants of "Eng-er-land" that make it difficult for us to wave the flag or celebrate St George's day. Don't go blaming "the PC brigade" for it - it's precisely those people who link the flag and the word "England" to being white and exclusive of Asian (or black) who are to blame.

So if you want to chant "Eng-er-land" at Leicester fans to imply white people are English and then turn round in upset at the fact that people fear the chant or the flag then you only have yourself to blame.

**** me someone needs to chill out this pc shit is getting stupid. They should play repeats of love thy neighbour now there's racism for you and everyone including black people (oh sorry am i aloud to write that) laughed at it. It's people like you that get nativity plays cancelled ****.

[garlicbread]

**** me someone needs to chill out this pc shit is getting stupid. They should play repeats of love thy neighbour now there's racism for you and everyone including black people (oh sorry am i aloud to write that) laughed at it. It's people like you that get nativity plays cancelled ****.

...or perhaps recall the despicable racist chants coming from the entire EE, 20 or so years ago....evil.

What happend last saturday wasnt racism, but banter and chiding with impressive helpings of irony.

[CiderHider]

Whats annoying is the only people getting offend are the white and middle class mail readers who feel it their duty to be offended on others behalf.

[Pederho ll]

So, let's get to some sort of conclusion purely from a fans perspective....what are we allowed to sing and what arn't we allowed to sing....,are we allowed to sing?

Perhaps specific examples could be used by those who respond....cause l am totally confused at what is and what is not racist?

Could the club or supporters trust issue guidelines?.....goodness knows we don't want to offend anybody at AG.....perhaps issue acceptable song sheets?

Also, is there any truth that BCFC fans are going to be asked to refrain from wearing team shirts, colours etc, to avoid upsetting any Chelsea or Man Utd fans that live in BS3?

[Guest CiderPunk]

A boy says to his Mum, "Mum, I've got the biggest cock in the nursery, is it cos I is black?" his Mum says "No it's because you are 28 and a retard, now mind you don't get spaghetti down your Bristol Rovers shirt"

[CiderHider]

A boy says to his Mum, "Mum, I've got the biggest cock in the nursery, is it cos I is black?" his Mum says "No it's because you are 28 and a retard, now mind you don't get spaghetti down your Bristol Rovers shirt"

[Cornelius]

For God's sake, of course it's racist; let me take you through it slowly:

1. Those aiming chants at the Leicester fans were trying to wind them up by insulting them. There's nothing wrong with that, but ...

2. The way in which they chose to insult them was by making reference to the large Asian community in Leicester.

3. As it was clearly meant to be an insult (see point 1) there was an implicit message that having a large Asian community was, in itself, a bad thing.

4. Thinking that having a large Asian community is a bad thing is inevitably racist.

I really can't see how anyone who is remotely honest or thoughtful could possibly argue otherwise.

[Us_and_Them]

Whats annoying is the only people getting offend are the white and middle class mail readers who feel it their duty to be offended on others behalf.

Spot on.

[steviestevieneville]

A boy says to his Mum, "Mum, I've got the biggest cock in the nursery, is it cos I is black?" his Mum says "No it's because you are 28 and a retard, now mind you don't get spaghetti down your Bristol Rovers shirt"

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