Guest Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Loyalty to our club is in our; hearts and souls and un-ending but it has survived recently on memories of how it used to be. I feel real sadness for anyone who has come on board in the last few years (is there anyone) Shocking treatment of this clubs own fans will have put them off for life. There are thousands who would follow this club anywhere, they arent because of the non effort by those in current residence. Things have to improve on and off the pitch from tomorrow if it dosent we will continue the current free fall we are in. The main gist of all replies must be attended to and replied to if not growing allienation of this clubs own fans will continue. Over to you Dave, Steve, Derek and I`ve forgotten the rest, or dont know who they are. Current score; posts 62- 0 replies, come on the replies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadrunner Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 A faceless board, who we are told are worth millions because they are top businessmen. Well we a losing millions and bottom of the league. The buck stops at the top. All the communication and other problems that a featured in this topic, are down to the leadership we don't get from the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFree Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Dave, For me, the club feels like it has given up - SL was ambitious and we almost got it right? Since we failed to win promotion, however, the club has gone backwards with expectancy being managed down to the point where fans wonder what's happened to their club plus why they should bother supporting when nobody else seems to care? We've ended up signing mis-fits of players most of whom have had injuries for most of their careers or who weren't able to get a start - at a time when we need fit, quality players, we have signed dross who don't seem to care about our club? Match that with an unproven manager who doesn't ever seem to have a plan B and seems to panic manage and you can understand why confidence in the club and it's future a as so low? We've been season ticket holders for many years and have followed City for over 20 years but we have had conversations around whether to watch Premiership football next year should Cardiff go up - we'll always be City fans but it would be great to see some quality football for the first time in many years? Ambition seems to have disappeared from Bristol City and it's a shame as the opportunity for a side in the South West that one day makes it is such an attractive proposition? Finally, I read some regular posters on here who make a great deal of sense, when was the last time supporters were invited to a board meeting to presents their honest views? The boards seem distantly removed from the fans, I presume we have a board still..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never to the dark side Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Dave Like I have said many times before, bring back the home and away match day DVD's.for the those approx twenty of us City fans who want them. I'll even take those that are supplied to the players after EVERY away game Don't want any fancy packaging just the disc's Back to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickwarRed Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Ashton Gate used to be an intimidating place for teams to come and play, its was loud, noisy and firey! Teams used to hate playing here with a noisy crowd close to the pitch, that intimidating atmosphere used to be the clubs 12th man. I wonder how many points that atmosphere got us (??), remember all those last minutes goals we used to score?? But then we had a manager with passion, players who would die for the shirt and who stood up to all teams So whats gone wrong since then...3 bad managerial appointments, the last of which we are still suffering with, we have been crying out for an experienced, battle hardened championship manager since GJ left. We have not made that appointment, we have signed players who are not championship standard. The players who might have made a difference this season (Cisse and Andre Bikey) werent signed due to high wage demands, instead we bought a load of mediocre journey men (Morris, Wilson, Anderson) who just have not featured in a poor side. Then we have the players who week in week out have let the club and themselves down, yet they continually get picked when fit (Elliot, Pearson, Fontaine, Foster). It was blindingly obvious to everyone that we needed 2 new central midfield players and 2 centre halves at the start of the season if we wanted to be competitive. If McInness could not see that he should not have a job as thats incompetence, if he knew that we needed them and the board did not back him then they should come clean and take the responsibility for our current position. I will be there tomorrow but more because I feel I have to be there, rather than because I want to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 A lot of people are just losing that buzz you get on Saturday morning knowing you're off to the gate to watch city play. My grandad who is 67 and who has had a season ticket for 50+ years said to me he wont be going back next season as the excitement has completely gone. Brilliant thread by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggythecity Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 I think that football clubs and players in general have lost touch.I grew up with Steve Phillips and met loads of players at that time and they were a great bunch,they socialised with fans bought us drinks(not that that made them special,but at least showed they appriciated you),had a chat and had some enthusiasm for the club and us fans.Times have changed now,you go to the game always hoping to be entertained and at the very least watch your team fight for the cause to give you something to shout about,now you just want to shout at them!!I for one work permanent nights,so work hard and want to go to footie to cheer the team on and get something back,show some pride for wearing the shirt and see a bit of personality,I still back Derek and think and hope he will sort us out in the long term but we need to be entertained thats why we spend our hard earned money on,ill always go so please boys if your gonna lose give it a go and if ya lose GET STUCK IN!!COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 A lot of people are just losing that buzz you get on Saturday morning knowing you're off to the gate to watch city play. My grandad who is 67 and who has had a season ticket for 50+ years said to me he wont be going back next season as the excitement has completely gone. Brilliant thread by the way. Is a great thread, hope all at the top and the players (who dispite popular belief are capable of matching anyone in this league) read it (If they`ve got time in there schedules)and more importantly DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 This is not simply stirring it. Maybe I should say "City fan in peace". I've been to the Memorial Stadium a couple of times in the last 18 months and the football was indeed rubbish, but the matchday experience was infinitely better than at the Gate. The stewards were friendly, obviously not graduates of the First Bus School of Charm, the food was excellent, and the drink was acceptable. I could stand up and make a noise (although not "Come on you Reds" ). In general, there was a feeling that the fans were part of the club. Compare any of those with the current situation at the Gate. There, it seems to be "We've had (lots of) your money, now sit down and shut up!". Sorry, but that's how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 I'd set some money aside for a half-season ticket. After I went to a few games in November and early December I saw the sheer abject lack of passion in the team, and I felt disgusted that these players had the badge on. The only ones that escape this description for me are Albert, Heaton, Baldock, Davies, Anderson (not seen enough of him) and Cunningham. I am ashamed of the rest of them. You know what I decided to keep my circa 250 quid in my pocket, but perhaps if the team was trying. Hell they could have 0 points but if they looked like they were trying and they were competing then I would have done it. These players are supposed to be playing and representing Bristol, with pride. They presumably only get pride when they see their paycheck or brag about how much they can drink or banter on twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 These players are supposed to be playing and representing Bristol, with pride. They presumably only get pride when they see their paycheck or brag about how much they can drink or banter on twitter. And when they show off their BMW's with the blue and white quarter logo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 I've seen this phrase crop up quite a bit recently, and as Supporter Liaison with a responsibility for bridging that gap, I clearly have to take it seriously, and I do, as does everyone who works at the club. So can I ask those who hold that view to expand on it a little? What do you mean? How do you perceive that gap? Can you quantify it in any way? Is it a gap that exists at other clubs, or is it unique to Bristol City? If you know of a club where that gap doesn't exist, what is it that they do that we don't? What can we do to bridge that gap that we're not doing already? I'd sincerely welcome any suggestions you might have. Constructive feedback and suggestions will be more than welcome. Dave Simple Dave. Steve Lansdown. Ex Chairman who would walk into any bar, at any time in the City ground and discuss and take questions. Since the man has stepped back, the club has followed. Sadly our Chairman in charge is someone most younger fans has not got a clue who he is. Steve could rally the troops before a match with his on pitch speeches, quite emotional at times. Then would go on TV and RADIO and say how much the board are behind the club and how HE would make sure that BRISTOL CITY would be successful eventually. He is seriously missed at OUR club . Needed back to rally the troops with a much tougher task than last season. I hope he reads this. Passing on his expertise to others has proved a mistake. I for one would love to see him take charge again and do his upmost to keep us in the Championship. Arn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East end Forever Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 theres not one post on this thread i havent read and i agree with all of them from board members to players to ee stewards all issues that need looking at i love this club and always will ill go to games and support my team no matter what and will do in league 1 next year too something is seriously wrong at the gate i dont know what but the vibe i get is very bad and all the supporters at the games are all saying the same but theres no honesty from the top and del on boxing day couldnt even wave to us in the eastend says it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC96 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Sort the stewards out in the EE, they try and make a deal out of nothing like swearing and standing up and then when more people start to join in they go away. I think if the stewards were more friendly and had a joke about it then the fans would respond to it but at the moment they seem to just want to treat the home fans badly which the way it is going isn't going to end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC96 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 theres not one post on this thread i havent read and i agree with all of them from board members to players to ee stewards all issues that need looking at i love this club and always will ill go to games and support my team no matter what and will do in league 1 next year too something is seriously wrong at the gate i dont know what but the vibe i get is very bad and all the supporters at the games are all saying the same but theres no honesty from the top and del on boxing day couldnt even wave to us in the eastend says it all tbf he was in the middle of a conversation and he would of felt a bit rude if he just ignored the guy and waved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 I've seen this phrase crop up quite a bit recently, and as Supporter Liaison with a responsibility for bridging that gap, I clearly have to take it seriously, and I do, as does everyone who works at the club. So can I ask those who hold that view to expand on it a little? What do you mean? How do you perceive that gap? Can you quantify it in any way? Is it a gap that exists at other clubs, or is it unique to Bristol City? If you know of a club where that gap doesn't exist, what is it that they do that we don't? What can we do to bridge that gap that we're not doing already? I'd sincerely welcome any suggestions you might have. Constructive feedback and suggestions will be more than welcome. Dave The spin coming out from the club to get fans' to part with their money, particularly in the summer with ST renewals, is sickening. It's full of false promises and feels like we're being lied to season after season. The lack of leadership from the boardroom to the pitch has not been addressed since SL quit. We seldom hear anything from the chairman anymore and we haven't had a leader on the pitch since Paul Hartley. It feels like a rudderless shambles to me - from top to bottom. Why was SL's boy appointed on to the board? I could understand if he was appointed as a custodian/guardian of the club to oversee the investor's interests, but this feels like another piss take, unless he's simply a puppet for his dad in the boardroom. Either way, nobody knows. There's a feeling of arrogance from the club towards the fans. This has reared its head recently with the hassle about standing/accusing fans in the EE of breaking seats and accusing fans of defrauding the club. Surely it's better to have someone in the ground than piss off a skint fan for good? Not good PR from the club at all. For me, these reasons have created a feeling of apathy towards the way the club is/has been run in recent years. That's been compounded by seeing a gutless bunch of wasters earning ridiculous amounts of money and not giving a toss about BCFC, but that's a wider issue for football on the whole. What can be done? Be honest with the fans at all times and stop sounding like politicians all the time. Get SL back, or employ a qualified Director of Football - a David Dein sort - to improve communication and carry out due diligence with all football matters, something that's clearly been lacking ever since we arrived at this level. Get off the fans' back. The club backs safe standing, but the stewards are causing aggro over standing in the EE and that comes from the club. Sort it out. That's my 10p worth, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 I agree the fans want to see whole hearted performances, crunch tackles that we used to see in the 80's are long gone due to the football authories however something closer to the efforts made by West Ham and Stoke wouldn't go a miss. Perhaps all squad players not involved in the match day 15 shout be visible and signing autographs outside the turnstiles (weather permitting / in the stands on bad days between 2.15pm and 3.00pm I also think the match day experience from the fans has to play a greater part. Singing creating an atmosphere. I don't think we should be winning before fans start to sing, I also believe the songs being sand should be generic for all ages (non swearing) eg We're Bristol City we always believe, Come on you Reds and catchy songs to get the Younger Generation involved. How we get all Stands to be Pro Active I'm not sure. I sit in the Williams Stand and often can't here the the East End positioned in the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East end Forever Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 i know what ur saying but when they all walked away he could of just thrown a wave to say i heard u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Show some passion. Do your best. Add the extra effort and you will get our support. Kick us off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Show some passion. Do your best. Add the extra effort and you will get our support. Kick us off. Lets get the players going and have them in the right frame of mind. Motivation ! Rather than the players not wanting to play at home, scared to make a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC101 Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 tbf he was in the middle of a conversation and he would of felt a bit rude if he just ignored the guy and waved. That doesn't change the fact that he didn't even bother to look at us, let alone wave/smile or whatever. They got to just past the halfway line and stopped there, had a quick look at the pitch in that part in walked back. I am a supporter of Del and don't think he deserves all of the stick he gets, but that was quite disappointing. Oh, and that just reminded me of the Wolves game. When the final whistle went, all of the players just went straight to the changing rooms apart from one player, who in fact isn't even our player - Neil Danns, who walked towards us and gave us a thumbs up and clapped us. He didn't walk right up to us, but he did more than all of our own players. He was the only player who appreciated our support in the EE despite being 4-0 down. We could have easily gave up at half time and gone home, but most of us decided to stay and sing our hearts out because we love this club no matter what the score is. And for only 1 player to appreciate that, who isn't even our player, is extremely disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 I've seen this phrase crop up quite a bit recently, and as Supporter Liaison with a responsibility for bridging that gap, I clearly have to take it seriously, and I do, as does everyone who works at the club. So can I ask those who hold that view to expand on it a little? What do you mean? How do you perceive that gap? Can you quantify it in any way? Is it a gap that exists at other clubs, or is it unique to Bristol City? If you know of a club where that gap doesn't exist, what is it that they do that we don't? What can we do to bridge that gap that we're not doing already? I'd sincerely welcome any suggestions you might have. Constructive feedback and suggestions will be more than welcome. Dave There's now a massive gap between me as a supporter and the club. The club seems really amateurish at the moment from top to bottom, I think the way that the club is being run into the ground is shocking. The support is ebbing away just as it did during the 1980/81 season and after the tens of thousands of posts on this forum - over the past years - highlighting the inadequecies of our central midfield and defence I thought something would have been done by now - but no, we've signed more strikers. I've also long been concerned at how easily we seem to always get knocked out of the league and FA Cups and by teams from lower divisions - we've thus had no decent cup run to enjoy for years now. In this respect we've been punching above our weight for years now in being a Championship club and nothing has been done to sign the real quality players needed to address this problem and take us forward. In my opinion, the way we'll stay up this season is by signing top players in January but that's unlikely to happen given that the hierarchy claim to want to lessen our already massive losses. I think the way forward is to sign a top player at the end of his career and hope he wants to be our manager - Terry Cooper and Joe Jordan were such players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East end Forever Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 That doesn't change the fact that he didn't even bother to look at us, let alone wave/smile or whatever. They got to just past the halfway line and stopped there, had a quick look at the pitch in that part in walked back. I am a supporter of Del and don't think he deserves all of the stick he gets, but that was quite disappointing. Oh, and that just reminded me of the Wolves game. When the final whistle went, all of the players just went straight to the changing rooms apart from one player, who in fact isn't even our player - Neil Danns, who walked towards us and gave us a thumbs up and clapped us. He didn't walk right up to us, but he did more than all of our own players. He was the only player who appreciated our support in the EE despite being 4-0 down. We could have easily gave up at half time and gone home, but most of us decided to stay and sing our hearts out because we love this club no matter what the score is. And for only 1 player to appreciate that, who isn't even our player, is extremely disappointing. well said mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Personally I seriously dislike the seemingly crap attitude from the club that the supporters are not much more that sheep who are a just as stupid as real sheep. What epitomized is for me was the 'free food' offer which actually turned out to have 'conditions' to the offer. We should have know all along that nothing is for free even if you have bought a season ticket. Others have mentioned the 'spin' we hear from the club. The usual platitudes that the club think the fans want to hear whereas nothing of substances is ever forthcoming. The club seem to withhold information for no obvious reason. Everything is a secret. McInnes never says anything remotely interesting. Same old,same old every interview. I wonder just how firmly his hands are tied? I'm sure that if he could be more frank and honest then fans would feel more involved and maybe get behind him more. We hear nothing from our Chairman. Previously Colin Sexstone and Steve Lansdown did regular interviews but recently - nothing but silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 The persitance of a general sense of ennui that flows from the board downwards throughout the club and the major marketing disasters such as the loss of the flag day in the east end, the black home kit, ticket pricing and aggressive stewarding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internetjef Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Credit to the brave original post. Great responses so far. Lets hope there is some follow up on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Disappointing that from an enquiry over 3hrs ago now, there has been........................nil response from a liaison employee of this club; sums it all up really.............sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_Porter Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 While there are some valid points in this thread there is also a load of crap. What can Dave do about players wages, pasties and the on field captain ? And as for having a go at him " Well you should already know etc etc " is a nonsense. Yes I also feel further away from the club than at any point in time I can remember, but its not down to just one thing is it, its a culmination of lots of things, I remember shaking the hand of JW in the Dolman many years ago and alas he was gone shortly afterwards, but in the split second I felt more at one with the club than at any other time, and we were as bad in that period as we are now. I guess there is no hands on anymore, be that down to security issues ( If i were Fontaine I certainly would not want to wander into the Dolman bar an hour or so before kick off to say hello) Its happended though before I remember both MB and BT coming in and walking around for 10 mins to say hello prior to Kick Off. The world has changed its a far more dangerous place now. But I do agree with some that the only way to bridge the gap is for the club/players to interact personally with the fans not by way of press release or twitter but on a one to one basis be that a walk around the interior of the stands prior to kick off and a chat with some fans, or as already suggested the re-opening of the ask SL forum ( exchange SL for who ever wants to do it). That Dave is the bottom line, forget the clowns on here willing to moan at you about wages and pies both of which you can do nothing about, and get the players to communicate in person with some fans. Cheers Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 Disappointing that from an enquiry over 3hrs ago now, there has been........................nil response from a liaison employee of this club; sums it all up really.............sigh. . To be fair there has been quite a response and many issues to address. DaveL needs to pick his response carefully as there is a lot of ill feeling and he'll need to get this right. After all it was him that poured a can of match on the wasps nest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted December 28, 2012 Report Share Posted December 28, 2012 I'm sure one of our senior members of staff buzzing for a Southampton game and talking like a chav on twitter doesn't help matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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