Statement Regarding Release Of Images Of New Stand

[Puckle_red]

[Bar BS3]

How are some people missing the point here..?

The club didn't want to spend money on images showing the safe standing seats that they had hoped to include in the project, only to have to re-do them, if as has happened, those seats are not going to be allowed.

No we will get accurate images.

It's really not hard to understand, is it..?

[RedRaw]

TWO GRAND ... Manon is right a fast one is being puled there. If anybody is charging two grand for an image the supporters trust need to get down there pronto with a giant cargo net and catch the chancers. At that rate forty five million of Uncle Steve loot won't meet the price tag and a greenhouse will get left being the goal on top of that steel.

 

So I take it your speaking from a position of knowldge of the current costs of 3D architectual rendering? or are you just presuming a "fast one" is being pulled because you think it sounds costly

[Dollymarie]

i thought we all knew this anyway???

Yes but some were still querying this, so I wanted to clarify

[Sixtyseconds]

[Sixtyseconds]

So I take it your speaking from a position of knowldge of the current costs of 3D architectual rendering? or are you just presuming a "fast one" is being pulled because you think it sounds costly

I take it from the knowledge of meeting one of the lead architects who didn't forsee it would take a year to put another image together. Nice bloke asked for ideas for fans and not once did he mention it would cost thousands for a picture without rails ...

There is a chap on this thread who DOES have a knowledge of architectual rendering and he has smelt it.

[handsofclay]

[Robin1988]

[Port Said Red]

[CotswoldRed]

[Sixtyseconds]

[Bar BS3]

Naw ... Its this excuse is not the same as the last excuse which was different to the last one months before that. Sure those right on the inside track will confirm it unless somebody forgot to mention the price tag. There are those in life who will says all sorts and others who will swallow it testicles and all.

If you are lucky, then you get to marry the latter!

[Port Said Red]

Naw ... Its this excuse is not the same as the last excuse which was different to the last one months before that. Sure those right on the inside track will confirm it unless somebody forgot to mention the price tag. There are those in life who will says all sorts and others who will swallow it testicles and all.

Like I said there will always be people who will still believe what they want to believe. So what is it that you think the clubs "real" reason for not producing images is? What is their secret dastardly plan? Are they just puppets of Higgs and we will turn up next season to find ourselves turfed outside alongside some very bruised looking horses?

I think we should be told.......

[Cotham Brow Red]

[Port Said Red]

[Sixtyseconds]

So what is it that you think the clubs "real" reason for not producing images is? What is their secret dastardly plan? ?

Its a quite simple one.

The Fans Parliament bods who were right on the inside said the club did not really want to consult fans ... Twas box ticking.

When that architect at the open day asked what we thought, and quite a few seemed to be saying they didn't like one stand he then asked us to spare time from our precious lives filling out suggestions cards.

The nice architect forgot to mention ... "Boys a word. Don't expect to see anything again for about eighteen months these pictures cost an arm and a leg to produce".

The open days were another tick.

[Kingswood Village]

Just to say, in terms of the 2k cost of producing the renders - the cost is high due to the time that these take to produce. I work for a construction consultancy and a highly detailed high resolution render can take days to produce. 2k sounds about right to me.
COYR
 

[Red Exile]

[Red-Robbo]

[Manon]

Well the cost has now been made the primary excuse/reason (or whatever you wanna call it), so it's natural we focus on that aspect.

The reason I am interested in who is producing them, is very important here because that will determine cost.

The original architects would have created the full 3d model using CAD. This would have been used to create the renders we have already seen.

Creating another image can then usually be as simple as altering the camera angle and clicking the left-hand mouse button, as long as the illumination/global lighting settings are adequate.

If there are to be players or fans added to the scene, that can create quite a bit more work. But we aren't interested in that, we just want empty stadium view.

Anyway, if they've enlisted another firm, it might be that the charges increase substantially because they have to recreate the model, so they should've just created two alternative views (with or without SS) last year when it was cheaper.

I'm rambling again.

That's my last word on it. promise.

[Robin1988]

Well the cost has now been made the primary excuse/reason (or whatever you wanna call it), so it's natural we focus on that aspect.

The reason I am interested in who is producing them, is very important here because that will determine cost.

The original architects would have created the full 3d model using CAD. This would have been used to create the renders we have already seen.

Creating another image can then usually be as simple as altering the camera angle and clicking the left-hand mouse button, as long as the illumination/global lighting settings are adequate.

If there are to be players or fans added to the scene, that can create quite a bit more work. But we aren't interested in that, we just want empty stadium view.

Anyway, if they've enlisted another firm, it might be that the charges increase substantially because they have to recreate the model, so they should've just created two alternative views (with or without SS) last year when it was cheaper.

I'm rambling again.

That's my last word on it. promise.

This is both simple and makes sense - the 'original' architects could have been asked to make a CAD using the original design, as it would have been more costly to make one without rail seats too. Now that this has become an inevitability, it is being done retrospectively. Not necessarily what happened, but it matches up.

[CyderInACan]

Anyone fancy flying up to Newcastle for the Hartlepool game and coming straight back?

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

Anyone fancy flying up to Newcastle for the Hartlepool game and coming straight back?

 

Well yes , maybe - but couldn't we see the game first and then fly straight back?

 

Not me. I'm worried that the architects may not all be long-standing season ticket holders, and the draughtsman employed may not have an up-to-date replica shirt (pref; purple and lime) on when he prepared the images.

 

It amuses me how when the club brings out new kit you get all these posters who go a bit Gok Wan over the minute details of it, and likewise on discussions of stadium matters you get loads of armchair Kevin McLoud's. 

 

I'll stick to posts on football as I feel the rest is best left to professionals.

 

Well said.

 

Any truth in the rumour we're signing midfielder Gok McCloud on loan?

[Mad Cyril]

There are a good 50,000 plus City fans who want to see the new stand pics

Holy #####! We are going to need a bigger stadium.

[CyderInACan]

Well yes , maybe - but couldn't we see the game first and then fly straight back?

 

 

 

Sorry MRR - I'm not sure we'll actually get to see the game as it turns out. Still fancy it?

[havanatopia]

One more thing, it will DEFINITELY have red seats

 

Please Marie.. use your influence to try and persuade BCFC NOT to have words made from seating colours.. imho it looks totally naff and classless. All one colour looks clean and fresh...less is more.. its all about design, simples. Thanks.

[Hartcliffe red]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/SLCV/can-you-tell-what-it-is-yet/image.jpg

Is he the artist,who kept us all guessing

[Bristol Rob]

Maybe the delay was caused because the person producing the image wasn't sure if they should sit at their desk, or if they'd be allowed to stand at their desk to create it.

[steviestevieneville]

Well the cost has now been made the primary excuse/reason (or whatever you wanna call it), so it's natural we focus on that aspect.

The reason I am interested in who is producing them, is very important here because that will determine cost.

The original architects would have created the full 3d model using CAD. This would have been used to create the renders we have already seen.

Creating another image can then usually be as simple as altering the camera angle and clicking the left-hand mouse button, as long as the illumination/global lighting settings are adequate.

If there are to be players or fans added to the scene, that can create quite a bit more work. But we aren't interested in that, we just want empty stadium view.

Anyway, if they've enlisted another firm, it might be that the charges increase substantially because they have to recreate the model, so they should've just created two alternative views (with or without SS) last year when it was cheaper.

I'm rambling again.

That's my last word on it. promise.

Thank **** for that. Send a glass eye to sleep.

[pongo88]

The club could have made this a community project. Ask primary school pupils to have a go with their felt tips and then give a prize to the child who produced something closest to the planned stand.

Simples.