screech Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Totally disagree. While there are some who follow the "advice" of the media; many have their own minds. The rise of the SNP has been a concern for many, for a long time. Why? The sooner Scotland go on their own the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Why? The sooner Scotland go on their own the better. Agree I see absolutely no benefit to us in keeping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Agreed screech,let them do as they want with no way of coming back in when it goes tits up for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 I don't understand this fear that the SNP were coming to get us. I didn't particularly want them to form part of a government because the seats they have are vastly disproportionate to the votes they have, but just what did you think they were going to take from us? Cameron (and Clegg and Miliband tbf) had promised them max dev, more money for infrastructure and the continuation of he Barnett Formula when they collectively shat themselves during the referendum and they were pretty clear that the only reason they would seek another Indy ref is if we left the EU, so I just don't see what fear they held politically, they had everything they wanted before a single vote was cast Not so much as fear, Chip but more about interference. There is no doubt in my mind, that for the next 5 years they are going to be nothing but trouble. I made a point in response to Robbo's claim that this result was due to smears, and I disagreed. While I made my mind up some months ago as to how I was going to vote, it was something that Sturgeon kept on repeating that really confirmed it. Cosying up to Milliband, and continually stating "We can lock David Cameron out of Downing Street", was for me, the final straw. Excuse me you old witch, but the people who vote in this country will decide who gets into No. 10 - NOT you !! I am not alone in my thinking, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Why? The sooner Scotland go on their own the better. Because now they have not got the independence vote they wanted; they are now out to screw every penny they can get for their beloved Scotland. We had two years of Scotland, Scotland, Scotland before the referendum. Now we have another 5 years of them bellowing out the same story. Every motion that is tabled by this government will have to answer questions about "how does this benefit / affect Scotland". Sturgeon said herself she wants a strong voice for Scotland. Problem is, that is the only voice the SNP has. I'm tired of it, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 I believe we burn socialists on a bonfire in Henley town centre on a Friday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Because now they have not got the independence vote they wanted; they are now out to screw every penny they can get for their beloved Scotland. We had two years of Scotland, Scotland, Scotland before the referendum. Now we have another 5 years of them bellowing out the same story. Every motion that is tabled by this government will have to answer questions about "how does this benefit / affect Scotland". Sturgeon said herself she wants a strong voice for Scotland. Problem is, that is the only voice the SNP has. I'm tired of it, myself. You do realise that the Conservatives will be in hoc to the UUP/DUP of they are to get through this parliament. A six MP surplus is not a working majority. It'll be how does this benefit/affect Ulster for every policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Red-Robbo Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 I believe we burn socialists on a bonfire in Henley town centre on a Friday night. Hehe! Just dropped the kids of at a party and walked past the home of this guy in the village who has 11 kids and rarely works. Guess what party's sign he has on his door? (hint: think Bristol Rovers) I wonder what DC and GO would think of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Not so much as fear, Chip but more about interference. There is no doubt in my mind, that for the next 5 years they are going to be nothing but trouble. I made a point in response to Robbo's claim that this result was due to smears, and I disagreed. While I made my mind up some months ago as to how I was going to vote, it was something that Sturgeon kept on repeating that really confirmed it. Cosying up to Milliband, and continually stating "We can lock David Cameron out of Downing Street", was for me, the final straw. Excuse me you old witch, but the people who vote in this country will decide who gets into No. 10 - NOT you !! I am not alone in my thinking, either. You certainly aren't alone, it just baffled me that people thought they were coming to rape and pillage English politics when they'd already been given all they wanted before they'd even bared their teeth The "lock Cameron out of Downing St" thing was a rallying call to lefties, proving to Scots that a vote for them was a vote against a conservative government which is a popular concept in Scotland. How is it any different to conservative politicians and press warning about how Miliband would sell the English out for an SNP coalition? I agree that the election wasn't lost by media smears, it was lost by Labours failure to convey a singular, convincing message on the economy or pretty much any other topic. However, the Tory party and their affiliated press spent a lot of time and effort discrediting Miliband and Labours economic policies. The stuff on Miliband, the bacon sandwich thing for example, was pretty low But at the end of the day it wasn't one single thing that cost Labour the election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Thing is though what's the choice? Tony Blair , Ed Millliband - the pair of them as working class as Cameron.... And Milliband really? Even half his own party struggled to believe he'd make the better Leader of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 And as for Clegg. Have a look at his house and tell me how in touch with the working man he is.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Thing is though what's the choice? Tony Blair , Ed Millliband - the pair of them as working class as Cameron.... And Milliband really? Even half his own party struggled to believe he'd make the better Leader of the country. Well, I don't vote for someone "because they are working class" but it should be pointed out that Miliband went to a comprehensive school rather than Eton, and Blair's grandad was a miner, as opposed to a Scottish aristocrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Well, I don't vote for someone "because they are working class" but it should be pointed out that Miliband went to a comprehensive school rather than Eton, and Blair's grandad was a miner, as opposed to a Scottish aristocrat. what's blairs grandad got to do with it,in a few years time some kid will be able to say my grandad tony Blair was the man who invaded a country looking for something that wasn't there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Well my grandfather was a builder but I'd caution you about moving into any house I build..... Neither Blair nor Milliband would have any idea about what a working mans life is like. Milliband father by the way was a Marxist university professor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 You do realise that the Conservatives will be in hoc to the UUP/DUP of they are to get through this parliament. A six MP surplus is not a working majority. It'll be how does this benefit/affect Ulster for every policy. Yes I know. Personally I would rather see "deals" done with a group of pro U.K. patriots; than a bunch of leftie, anti nuclear scots nationalists, most of whom want an end to the union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aizoon Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 I believe we burn socialists on a bonfire in Henley town centre on a Friday night. Is that ecologically sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 what's blairs grandad got to do with it,in a few years time some kid will be able to say my grandad tony Blair was the man who invaded a country looking for something that wasn't there Sorry, don't get that The oil was there, wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 what's blairs grandad got to do with it,in a few years time some kid will be able to say my grandad tony Blair was the man who invaded a country looking for something that wasn't there It has to do with answering the post made above it. Scroll back to see then come back if you don't understand. There will be a general comprehension test later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Ditto Bill, I think you are also very aware of the people on benefits to which I was referring, I haven't got a problem with the people who GENUINELY need it and for whatever reason, but it is not a life/career choice that is not what the welfare state was set up for but somehow has morphed into. Well, I don't personally know any of these people who you say are just living on benefits. I do know plenty who are working 40 hour weeks and are on benefits though. We do read these 'scroungers' stories because when they manage to find some the right wing press have a field day, and do a full double page spread highlighting them. Shame they can't do the same to the people who are fiddling the tax system isn't it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Yes I know. Personally I would rather see "deals" done with a group of pro U.K. patriots; than a bunch of leftie, anti nuclear scots nationalists, most of whom want an end to the union. Miliband ruled out any sort of pact, so your feelings about Ms Sturgeon are irrelevant. And it doesn't matter how "pro UK" and patriotic the Ulster parties are, they are only after one thing - your tax money! At least Scotland has an economy and oil rigs. Northern Ireland has 60% of its population working in the public sector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joe jordans teeth Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 It has to do with answering the post made above it. Scroll back to see then come back if you don't understand. There will be a general comprehension test later... scrolled back,my point is valid,labour are finished,gone are the days that people follow parties because their parents have etc,finally got a country that can think for themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Miliband ruled out any sort of pact, so your feelings about Ms Sturgeon are irrelevant. And it doesn't matter how "pro UK" and patriotic the Ulster parties are, they are only after one thing - your tax money! At least Scotland has an economy and oil rigs. Northern Ireland has 60% of its population working in the public sector. I don't / didn't believe Milliband, Robbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Well, I don't personally know any of these people who you say are just living on benefits. I do know plenty who are working 40 hour weeks and are on benefits though. We do read these 'scroungers' stories because when they manage to find some the right wing press have a field day, and do a full double page spread highlighting them. Shame they can't do the same to the people who are fiddling the tax system isn't it! I don't know where you live bill ,but if you don't know anybody who is screwing the benefit system then you must have your head in the sand,rife where I live,should report I know but not worth the hassle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 And it's a safe labour seat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 scrolled back,my point is valid,labour are finished,gone are the days that people follow parties because their parents have etc,finally got a country that can think for themselves Well my parents voted for different people when I was growing up. Who should I vote for? Your answer should not include anyone who increased national debt more than it has ever been in peacetime history, or anyone who spent his early years working in the EU but would now take us out of Europe thus denying others that opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Well, I don't personally know any of these people who you say are just living on benefits. I do know plenty who are working 40 hour weeks and are on benefits though. We do read these 'scroungers' stories because when they manage to find some the right wing press have a field day, and do a full double page spread highlighting them. Shame they can't do the same to the people who are fiddling the tax system isn't it! Well, I don't personally know any people who are fiddling the tax system, but at least I know and admit that they exist. What I find laughable is people expecting the tories to overhaul the tax system to make it fairer (yeah like that's going to happen) but 13 years of labour rule, what exactly did they do make the system fairer?. and of course at the beginning of those 13 years labour and especially Tony Blair was in bed with the King of right wing press and maybe even his consort (allegedly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 I don't / didn't believe Milliband, Robbo. Funnily enough that's what I think about Cameron. If you remember he pledged to reduce net immigration to 50,000 a year (now 200,000), not to cut frontline services - indeed increase the size of the police force and Army, not to put up VAT, not to cut pensioner's winter fuel allowance, and to balance the books by 2014 (now put back to 2018). And that's just some of the big promises lied about. I haven't got time to list all the little fibs like reintroducing weekly refuse collections. The bloke hasn't a good track record of keeping to anything he says, has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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