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dezgimed

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You're right. A very small section.

But a very big proportion of national wealth.

The richest 1% of Britons own more than 26% of national assets.The poorest 10% under 0.15%.

When you look at the 30 OECD countries only the US, Mexico and Israel have more uneven wealth distribution.

Most of our more successful competitors, and countries ranked as having the best quality of life, have more even wealth distribution, based on a fairer incomes and taxation policy.

But is this really a gripe among a vast number of people?

You and I pay our way fairly. I don't really give a damn what the richest do and don't get away with.

How much difference will it make? Plus this is a minefield of legal and tax issues, not a quick fix.

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reddevon

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But she clearly doesn't. I pay in tax 2x her gross salary.

 

We have the answer, just pay our ward sisters 3 x their current salary and you will be happy that all is fair.

 

Why not give them all a nice non- dom designed reward contract at the same time.

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Red-Robbo

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But she clearly doesn't. I pay in tax 2x her gross salary.

 

 

Although, arguably, she does a more socially useful job than you (me too, I'm not having a go here!)

 

It's about fairness. No way should that person be on the same tax band as me. Or the one you want to go back into!!!  :-)

 

The reason I brought up taxation and fairness, was because of the suggestion made by some, that the reason that people might not want to see a Tory government was because they were on benefits. I think it's fairly well established that few unemployed people vote. Even if we assumed this time around they bucked that trend and every one of them, 100% solid, voted for Labour, that would be only a small percentage of Labour's  total vote.

 

I don't want to see benefit abusers either and I'm sure most tax-payers of any political persuasion would say the same, however it's tax evasion I'm more concerned about. Stopping that would be for the greater good and bring a lot more money into the Treasury.

 

I just think of Amazon.compaying  0.15% of profits while Robbo Ltd forks out 20%. That sums up where we are in this country and why we can't afford to provide decent public healthcare and have various other failings.

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Red-Robbo

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But is this really a gripe among a vast number of people?

You and I pay our way fairly. I don't really give a damn what the richest do and don't get away with.

How much difference will it make? Plus this is a minefield of legal and tax issues, not a quick fix.

 

No, that's right, there isn't a quick fix. There needs to be real political will, because the evaders will use the press and every trick in the book to try to convince people that any crackdown is unfair and "class war".

 

But it needs to be addressed. Germany and various other European countries are already addressing it with actions rather than words.

 

Stopping burglary isn't easy either. There probably will always be burglars and when one method gets harder more ingenious ways are found. That doesn't mean we shrug and accept it!

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MrBibs

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You talk a lot of sense in my opinion Robbo,

 

The sort of person I would happily vote for based on what I've read on this thread.  Mind you, your only chance of getting in where I live would be to wear a blue rosette.  

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Red-Robbo

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You talk a lot of sense in my opinion Robbo,

 

The sort of person I would happily vote for based on what I've read on this thread.  Mind you, your only chance of getting in where I live would be to wear a blue rosette.  

 

 

Thank you. Maybe I should stand for Mendip District Council on a Monster Raving Loony ticket.

 

I'm sure that would fit me right in with those that are there already! ;)

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screech

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281

 

How this election would have looked under PR.

Bear in mind that this is just for this election and people were forced into voting for candidates they neither had an interest in or liked. Surely this is the most sane way for any democracy, you vote for the party that you like and your vote counts. You would get more of a balanced parliament that reflects it's voters views.

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Aussie

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32601281

How this election would have looked under PR.

Bear in mind that this is just for this election and people were forced into voting for candidates they neither had an interest in or liked. Surely this is the most sane way for any democracy, you vote for the party that you like and your vote counts. You would get more of a balanced parliament that reflects it's voters views.

It's becomes hard to govern.

I don't like PR.

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Aussie

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No, that's right, there isn't a quick fix. There needs to be real political will, because the evaders will use the press and every trick in the book to try to convince people that any crackdown is unfair and "class war".

But it needs to be addressed. Germany and various other European countries are already addressing it with actions rather than words.

Stopping burglary isn't easy either. There probably will always be burglars and when one method gets harder more ingenious ways are found. That doesn't mean we shrug and accept it!

I have a team in Germany and I'm there often.

Their tax rates are horrendous. No thanks to them.

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JM91

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Quite. Why do so many people fixate on the idea of a Jeremy Kyle watching, benefit scrounging "under-class" when the real thieves wear pinstripe suits and carry briefcases?

Beats me, Aussie!

 

What are you on about?

 

the top 10% of the UK contributes 60% of tax.

If fairness is what you're advocating then surely everyone pays the same proportion of what they earn?  everyone pays 20% of their earnings to the pot.  Done. Fair.

We already have an obviously skewed system, which benefits the poorest in the Country and that is something I and many others are very proud. you and your lunatic hippy circle nutjobs need to pipe down about how bad life is in your 3 bed house, garden, freedom of speech, free healthcare, free schooling for children, financial assistance for said children, availability of many free vocational programmes paid for by the collective tax pot.  

It is a great system and you shouldn't shout down those who want to protect it because we aren't naive enough to let it continue to be exploited.  

The country voted overwhelmingly with common sense and sent the message that we are willing to work hard to get the UK back into shape rather than sit back and hope for the best. It is an excellent day for the United Kingdom and a massive victory for hard workers.  

 

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Red-Robbo

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Yep, very difficult to get anything approved, lots of time wasted negotiating / arguing.

Plus a very realistic chance of seeing far left and far right parties getting seats. We don't need that.

We've already got it mate!

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Gibbs

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I don't know much about the subject but isn't FPTP a better system than proportionate representation for English (and UK) devolution and less centralised government? I'm a bit confused as people seem to want both? 

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That's a gain for the Conservatives isn't it? Will make it interesting to work on "citywide" projects with an anti-Tory majority in Bristol and a Tory majority in South Glos, afterall the tram failed due to disagreements between the different councils.

Not necessarily a problem. The Tories are surprisingly keen on rail projects, not least because they improve business profitability. Labour also tends to be fairly keen, if for slightly different reasons.

It's the Greens and Lie Dems who'll always support the NIMBYs against any sign of progress. What I call the Lymeswold-on-Avon brigade. The clown cyclist in the red pantaloons is a perfect example.

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Red-Robbo

Red-Robbo

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You don't half come across as a bit of a socialist red Robbo...

Is that like "the devil" in Henley-on-Thames? ;-)

I'm not an ideological person. Ologies are too rigid.

I favour a fairer society with less inequality, but I could never join the Labour Party. I'm too socially conservative ("a dinosaur" according to Daz at work).

I voted Lib Dem but I'm far from liberal on many issues.

I just wanted to stop Cameron - a man who I think has been an abject failure as a prime minister and who has charted a course which I think will plunge the UK into recession and widen that inequality gap.

Many more people voted against him than for - so I don't accept he represents "the popular will of the country" - but he did win the election squarely if not fairly under our existing rules, so let's hope he's not as disastrous as I'm predicting.

I think what riles me more than at most elections is this one was won on the back of lies and smears and scare stories.

We've heard them before, but this time they were bellowed down a megaphone.

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The Gasbuster

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Is that like "the devil" in Henley-on-Thames? ;-)

I'm not an ideological person. Ologies are too rigid.

I favour a fairer society with less inequality, but I could never join the Labour Party. I'm too socially conservative ("a dinosaur" according to Daz at work).

I voted Lib Dem but I'm far from liberal on many issues.

I just wanted to stop Cameron - a man who I think has been an abject failure as a prime minister and who has charted a course which I think will plunge the UK into recession and widen that inequality gap.

Many more people voted against him than for - so I don't accept he represents "the popular will of the country" - but he did win the election squarely if not fairly under our existing rules, so let's hope he's not as disastrous as I'm predicting.

I think what riles me more than at most elections is this one was won on the back of lies and smears and scare stories.

We've heard them before, but this time they were bellowed down a megaphone.

 

Totally disagree.

While there are some who follow the "advice" of the media; many have their own minds.

The rise of the SNP has been a concern for many, for a long time.

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chipdawg

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Totally disagree.

While there are some who follow the "advice" of the media; many have their own minds.

The rise of the SNP has been a concern for many, for a long time.

I don't understand this fear that the SNP were coming to get us. I didn't particularly want them to form part of a government because the seats they have are vastly disproportionate to the votes they have, but just what did you think they were going to take from us? Cameron (and Clegg and Miliband tbf) had promised them max dev, more money for infrastructure and the continuation of he Barnett Formula when they collectively shat themselves during the referendum and they were pretty clear that the only reason they would seek another Indy ref is if we left the EU, so I just don't see what fear they held politically, they had everything they wanted before a single vote was cast
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