slartibartfast Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Hands up if you looked up the posting history of the OP. Nope, didn't have time, had to lump it on before price went ! (now 3's BTW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I like Gary Monk but his appointment would not send out the right message for me and for us to progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 You`d hope if it did turn out to be him he`d have some contacts with the likes of Martinez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arpaul Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 1 hour ago, Robbored said: I mentioned as a possibility, Gary Monk shortly after Cotterill was sacked and got a very lukewarm reaction. Id love to see him take over at City. Did a very decent job at Swansea. Knows how to play decent football and is very astute and articulate. Wouldnt have to move fare either...... Monk took over a good footballing side who were punching above their weight. Their footballing philosophy goes back to Roberto Martinez. Then expanded by Paulo Sousa, Brendon Rodgers and latterly Michael Laudrup. My problem with Monk is that, Swansea have regressed under his leadership.And he's taken them from an established PL team to relegation material in his time in charge. His "success" and "High Profile" has, maybe, been earned by piggy backing off previous managers hard work and transfer dealings. If it is him, then so be it. But to say I'd be underwhelmed would be an understatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: Nope, didn't have time, had to lump it on before price went ! (now 3's BTW) It's still too high for it to be him and isn't coming down quickly enough. I can't see this being true. If people knew, it wouldn't be £5's & £10's, it'd be £1,000's and we'd be 1/10 in a heart beat. The price coming in is due to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Crikey! With the old OTIB server we had a gap of a couple of days between favourites for the job and imminent appointments. Now we've got two managers about to be appointed at the same time, there's going to be chaos in the dugout on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 49 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Tut tut, Major... you have enough trouble backing the Team , Club, Directors and home matches but fancy you not backing a potential new manager as well? I have always backed the losing horse and now i have a loser commenting on my support . I would prefer Pemberton to Monk ,who i feel rather fell into the job at Swansea and it went wrong when he started to fashion his own team . I don't feel he has the necessary experience as a coach to be a success here just now but what do i know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 10 minutes ago, cynic said: Why ? I wouldn't given the choice. WTF has he done other than gone from a caretaker role to the full time manager on a long term contract only to get the sack months later ? He was in charge for 22 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHRIDGE BCFC Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: It's still too high for it to be him and isn't coming down quickly enough. I can't see this being true. If people knew, it wouldn't be £5's & £10's, it'd be £1,000's and we'd be 1/10 in a heart beat. The price coming in is due to this thread. Tbf it's come down from 33/1 to 3/1 in the space of an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 8 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: It's still too high for it to be him and isn't coming down quickly enough. I can't see this being true. If people knew, it wouldn't be £5's & £10's, it'd be £1,000's and we'd be 1/10 in a heart beat. The price coming in is due to this thread. I thought people were saying previously that you could only put a max of about 50 on these bets ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 1 minute ago, slartibartfast said: I thought people were saying previously that you could only put a max of about 50 on these bets ? Not what Ladbrokes told me s couple of weeks ago. They'd take £5k without having to seek authority, so they said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, HIGHRIDGE BCFC said: Tbf it's come down from 33/1 to 3/1 in the space of an hour. It' obviously not a strong book, not like "steamers" in racing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, arpaul said: Monk took over a good footballing side who were punching above their weight. Their footballing philosophy goes back to Roberto Martinez. Then expanded by Paulo Sousa, Brendon Rodgers and latterly Michael Laudrup. My problem with Monk is that, Swansea have regressed under his leadership.And he's taken them from an established PL team to relegation material in his time in charge. His "success" and "High Profile" has, maybe, been earned by piggy backing off previous managers hard work and transfer dealings. If it is him, then so be it. But to say I'd be underwhelmed would be an understatement. Good, well made points, Paul. The Swansea board is heavily influenced by their Trust members and they all share the same philosophy when it comes to appointing a manager - namely one who will adopt the same footballing "style" that originated with Martinez ( who couldn't do the same at Wigan btw ) and Monk was appointed bcause he was accustomed to said style as a player. He fit the remit perfectly. The fact it eventually went tits up was inevitable but to lay the blame at Monks door is harsh to say the least. And....Swansea aren't relegated yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, cynic said: He signed a 3 year contract in July 2015 and was sacked in December 2015 - like I said sacked months after signing a long term contract. He needs to do his apprenticeship somewhere other than here. I'd be more than surprised if he was a serious candidate. I'd say nearly two years at a Premier League club is already a decent apprenticeship for a lower Championship side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 39 minutes ago, Northern Cider Ed said: 10/1 in Betfair sportsbook. Just had a tenner on it as I have a little feeling about this, fits the ethos, fairly high profile and lives locally enough to be interested Local? It's abroad and is hardly bloody local is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 23 minutes ago, arpaul said: Monk took over a good footballing side who were punching above their weight. Their footballing philosophy goes back to Roberto Martinez. Then expanded by Paulo Sousa, Brendon Rodgers and latterly Michael Laudrup. My problem with Monk is that, Swansea have regressed under his leadership.And he's taken them from an established PL team to relegation material in his time in charge. His "success" and "High Profile" has, maybe, been earned by piggy backing off previous managers hard work and transfer dealings. If it is him, then so be it. But to say I'd be underwhelmed would be an understatement. Monk took a good footballing side and in his only full season in charge led them to their highest Premier League finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Monk took a good footballing side and in his only full season in charge led them to their highest Premier League finish. Beating both Arsenal and Man U home and away in the process. Not having a dig at Lee Johnson but how could someone on this thread seriously say he'd achieved more in management than Monk after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 29 minutes ago, arpaul said: Monk took over a good footballing side who were punching above their weight. Their footballing philosophy goes back to Roberto Martinez. Then expanded by Paulo Sousa, Brendon Rodgers and latterly Michael Laudrup. My problem with Monk is that, Swansea have regressed under his leadership.And he's taken them from an established PL team to relegation material in his time in charge. His "success" and "High Profile" has, maybe, been earned by piggy backing off previous managers hard work and transfer dealings. If it is him, then so be it. But to say I'd be underwhelmed would be an understatement. He took them to their highest ever top division finish in his only full season in charge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 No great problem, but I can't understand why there is great enthusiasm for him, but not some of the other candidates. His CV is not particularly strong, just average at one club, inheriting a reasonable team at a stable, well-run club. As with all names, I don't feel too strongly as I don't know enough to make an informed judgement, and prefer to judge any appointee on performance once in the job. Gary Owers new manager at Bath City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 1 hour ago, redfred said: Just a note on why it went wrong for Monk at Swansea, after such a stellar first season. All allegedly, of course..... One of the players - long-standing and well-liked in the dressing room and now out on loan at another PL club - had a rendezvous with a director's wife. The Director naturally wanted rid of said player and off he went on loan to the other PL club. The player's popularity in the dressing room led to a revolt as the players felt that the now on loan player had been treated badly by the club (only in football could people think this...) and they approached Monk to see what he was going to do. Monk stood by the club's decision to farm him out on loan and that was that for him as far the players were concerned and it is why the club were forced to not give him more time, as the players had spoken with their performances. All allegedly of course..... Sounds like you might have got it the wrong way round, allegedly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, Chappers said: No great problem, but I can't understand why there is great enthusiasm for him, but not some of the other candidates. His CV is not particularly strong, just average at one club, inheriting a reasonable team at a stable, well-run club. As with all names, I don't feel too strongly as I don't know enough to make an informed judgement, and prefer to judge any appointee on performance once in the job. Average? Eighth in the Prem? If that is so "average" why hadn't Swansea ever achieved it before in their 100 year plus history? Monk did have the advantage of a job at a stable, well run club but to describe them finishing eighth in the top flight as "average" is completely ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 1 minute ago, cynic said: fk me ! Why did they sack him ? After giving him a 3 year contract 4 months earlier. They must be mad... Sounds like all the behind the scenes shenanigans had more to do with it than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Was my 3rd favourite, after Moyes and Pearson. Considerably better than LJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arpaul Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 19 minutes ago, Robbored said: Good, well made points, Paul. The Swansea board is heavily influenced by their Trust members and they all share the same philosophy when it comes to appointing a manager - namely one who will adopt the same footballing "style" that originated with Martinez (1) who couldn't do the same at Wigan btw ) and Monk was appointed bcause he was accustomed to said style as a player. He fit the remit perfectly. (2)The fact it eventually went tits up was inevitable but to lay the blame at Monks door is harsh to say the least. And....Swansea aren't relegated yet. (1) Martinez kept Wigan in the PL for too many years for it to be "lucky" and of course a small feat of an FA Cup win!! He also has Everton playing with style, and is growing into the expectations of a big team. (2) Any blame for his tenure going "tits up" ,as you so eloquently say, can only be his fault. He has taken a good footballing side who consistently finished clear of relegation danger, and turned them into a struggling side within 20 months. No, you're right, they're not down yet, but they are in uncharted waters and seem to be at the top of a downward spiral. It's a No from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 15 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Average? Eighth in the Prem? If that is so "average" why hadn't Swansea ever achieved it before in their 100 year plus history? Monk did have the advantage of a job at a stable, well run club but to describe them finishing eighth in the top flight as "average" is completely ludicrous. A single successful season, and sacked not that long after, sounds familiar. i don't have a problem if he is appointed, I just don't understand why he gets such enthusiasm, with such a brief CV, yet guys who have a pretty good record at lower levels over a longer period of time are dismissed out of hand. I still think that, in a couple of years, we will regret not trying for Justin Edinburgh. Up and coming and with a terrific track record at unfashionable clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arpaul Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 28 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Monk took a good footballing side and in his only full season in charge led them to their highest Premier League finish. Good point, and one I have no answer to. Except that team/tactics, maybe, were not his? Laudrup was surprisingly sacked, and at the time Swansea weren't a struggling side. If it ain't broke etc. etc. etc But as he's tried to rebuild it's gone "Pete Tong" I may been sprouting nonsense, but I admit to not really following Premier League football too intently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 2 minutes ago, Chappers said: A single successful season, and sacked not that long after, sounds familiar. i don't have a problem if he is appointed, I just don't understand why he gets such enthusiasm, with such a brief CV, yet guys who have a pretty good record at lower levels over a longer period of time are dismissed out of hand. I still think that, in a couple of years, we will regret not trying for Justin Edinburgh. Up and coming and with a terrific track record at unfashionable clubs. I'd be very happy with Edinburgh, though with Gillingham in the frame to be in The Championship next season whilst we might well not be, I'd also understand him if he wasn't interested. Monk (or Steve Clarke) on the other hand, wouldn't currently have that decision to make... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 six months too late on Edinburgh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo1111 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 31 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Beating both Arsenal and Man U home and away in the process. Not having a dig at Lee Johnson but how could someone on this thread seriously say he'd achieved more in management than Monk after that? Exactly. Id be very happy with him. Whp seriously could we get as head coach better than garry monk??? Moyes was a massive long shot and pearson comes across as someone who wouldnt want to be a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arpaul Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 28 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Average? Eighth in the Prem? If that is so "average" why hadn't Swansea ever achieved it before in their 100 year plus history? Monk did have the advantage of a job at a stable, well run club but to describe them finishing eighth in the top flight as "average" is completely ludicrous. Agreed. From a stable, well run club to relegation material in 20 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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