JamesBCFC Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Just thinking, but as wages and FFP are likely the hold up, could the club buy Tonkin a £300k house (for example) and then offer him £300k less per year- or £100k less per year on a 3 year deal if he susses that would be better for him- and not have to declare the £300k towards FFP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric04 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, City169 said: Just thinking, but as wages and FFP are likely the hold up, could the club buy Tonkin a £300k house (for example) and then offer him £300k less per year- or £100k less per year on a 3 year deal if he susses that would be better for him- and not have to declare the £300k towards FFP? No. It would have to be recorded as a bonus I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 29 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: It's not just Tomlin we're waitng on though is It ? We all thought that Matthews was a formality based on what the representatives of the club said . We have not even signed the easier deals to push through ( squad players) type replacement Waggy . It does seem we've had our hopes built up again by the club and , as yet , it's all bluster and hot air . Time , of course , will tell but they don't make life easy do they ? ....and Waggy hasn't signed anywhere has he. You'd think loads of clubs in League One would be after him. 9 minutes ago, City169 said: Just thinking, but as wages and FFP are likely the hold up, could the club buy Tonkin a £300k house (for example) and then offer him £300k less per year- or £100k less per year on a 3 year deal if he susses that would be better for him- and not have to declare the £300k towards FFP? FFP in The Championship is nothing to do with wages, but profit and loss. just one small thought. Could LT (or any other player for that matter) not want to sign before they get their annual contract bonuses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 34 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: It does seem we've had our hopes built up again by the club and , as yet , it's all bluster and hot air . Time , of course , will tell but they don't make life easy do they ? A cynical person MIGHT think that all the talk about going large in the market was during the "early-bird" window! To be honest, I don't think that, but it does make you wonder, especially if we end up with Son of Summer 2015 Rides Again . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 11 minutes ago, eric04 said: No. It would have to be recorded as a bonus I think. 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: FFP in The Championship is nothing to do with wages, but profit and loss. just one small thought. Could LT (or any other player for that matter) not want to sign before they get their annual contract bonuses? Ta. Had forgotten it was losses, not wages, in that case couldn't Lansdown do it 'away from the club' instead, then it wouldn't be declared as a club loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: ....and Waggy hasn't signed anywhere has he. You'd think loads of clubs in League One would be after him. FFP in The Championship is nothing to do with wages, but profit and loss. just one small thought. Could LT (or any other player for that matter) not want to sign before they get their annual contract bonuses? Dave, I love you. I love your posts and I love your optimism. But what on earth could you be referring to? The 'stay with Bournemourth until August' bonus clause in his contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 7 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Dave, I love you. I love your posts and I love your optimism. But what on earth could you be referring to? The 'stay with Bournemourth until August' bonus clause in his contract? Don't be silly! It's stay until July 19th, then he'll fly out to La Manga to play in the friendly against Granada the next day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Don't players get annual contract bonuses for staying at their clubs. I know a few ex-pros who wouldn't hand in a transfer request for fear of losing their entitlement to their bonus....even after they've gone. Please don't love me, I couldn't stand a Woodsy type affair being made public on here. Just getting an injunction sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Well I did call it. I think for the health of all members of this forum. This topic should be locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Admin Ian M Posted July 1, 2016 Author Admin Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 1 hour ago, Fordy62 said: Dave, I love you. I love your posts and I love your optimism. But what on earth could you be referring to? The 'stay with Bournemourth until August' bonus clause in his contract? Not just bonuses but on the basis that he's on £28k/week at Bournemouth but drops to £23k here, staying at Bournemouth another month pockets him an extra £20k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 2 hours ago, City169 said: Just thinking, but as wages and FFP are likely the hold up, could the club buy Tonkin a £300k house (for example) and then offer him £300k less per year- or £100k less per year on a 3 year deal if he susses that would be better for him- and not have to declare the £300k towards FFP? Jesus. I think he'd want a house in Bristol, not a 1-bed flat in Airpoint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 18 minutes ago, CyderInACan said: Jesus. I think he'd want a house in Bristol, not a 1-bed flat in Airpoint! I did say just an example. There is (was) a place on the edge of Thornbury going for almost 2 million, we could get him that and give him a much smaller wage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 12 hours ago, City169 said: I did say just an example. There is (was) a place on the edge of Thornbury going for almost 2 million, we could get him that and give him a much smaller wage How about anything he likes from the desert trolley at the Avon Gorge Hotel during his inevitable stay there?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: How about anything he likes from the desert trolley at the Avon Gorge Hotel during his inevitable stay there?. The clincher will be that he can have anything he fancies from the mini-bar. That will show him we mean business and aren`t afraid to splash the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 50 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said: The clincher will be that he can have anything he fancies from the mini-bar. That will show him we mean business and aren`t afraid to splash the cash. ridiculous money! No championship player is worth that! A load of young men with their heads in the clouds! And what is Mark Ashton thinking of, offering him all that money!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 LT: " so are we any closer to a deal" LT Agent: " I'm still trying to get you £28,000 per week" LT :" But what if they say no?" LT Agent :" Then you're on £28,000 per week for another 2 years" LT :" you mean I can't lose?" LT Agent: "Clever boy, Lee, clever boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citywest30 Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: LT: " so are we any closer to a deal" LT Agent: " I'm still trying to get you £28,000 per week" LT :" But what if they say no?" LT Agent :" Then you're on £28,000 per week for another 2 years" LT :" you mean I can't lose?" LT Agent: "Clever boy, Lee, clever boy" That's fine except we know that LT has previously said he'd take playing every week over money so I personally don't think that's how the conversation would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, citywest30 said: That's fine except we know that LT has previously said he'd take playing every week over money so I personally don't think that's how the conversation would go. Hahahahahahahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 18 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Hahahahahahahaha! Tbf he did say that and he comes off as genuine but he's a footballer. What's he supposed to say? I'm here for the money whatever else happens I don't care? I do think he'd take a pay cut but I don't think it would be 8-10k and if he would, he would certainly wait to see if anyone else will up it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: Tbf he did say that and he comes off as genuine but he's a footballer. What's he supposed to say? I'm here for the money whatever else happens I don't care? I do think he'd take a pay cut but I don't think it would be 8-10k and if he would, he would certainly wait to see if anyone else will up it first. No but if it wasn't all about the money then I'm sure he would of signed by now after a month of negotiations. I think it was one of your country's former Presidential aides who coined the phrase: " It's all about the economy,stupid" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: No but if it wasn't all about the money then I'm sure he would of signed by now after a month of negotiations. I think it was one of your country's former Presidential aides who coined the phrase: " It's all about the economy,stupid" I agree with that. Just saying he has to say things like that as a footballer. Even if he meant it, he'll have a limit to what he would accept. If money was no issue he would be signed. I fully expect he'll play for what we offered but is waiting to see if better comes in. He got his prem move and wages to go with it and at 27 I don't think he'll be in any rush to take up to 500k less per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastend Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 On 1 July 2016 at 19:00, Ian M said: Not just bonuses but on the basis that he's on £28k/week at Bournemouth but drops to £23k here, staying at Bournemouth another month pockets him an extra £20k. I think somebody's theory on here is nailed on! LJ stated in his interview that some players 'might' of already signed with a verbal agreement, but cannot sign and be announced due to contract issues. Tomlin was bound to have a bonus in his contract if Bournemouth stayed up. Maybe he has to be contracted up until a certain date to receive it? For all we know it could be 500k?? A lot of money! i strongly believe he has verbally committed to us, hence the 'talks' have been ongoing for a long long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brizzlelou Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 43 minutes ago, Eastend said: I think somebody's theory on here is nailed on! LJ stated in his interview that some players 'might' of already signed with a verbal agreement, but cannot sign and be announced due to contract issues. Tomlin was bound to have a bonus in his contract if Bournemouth stayed up. Maybe he has to be contracted up until a certain date to receive it? For all we know it could be 500k?? A lot of money! i strongly believe he has verbally committed to us, hence the 'talks' have been ongoing for a long long time I remember being as optimistic as you....I miss those days ever so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 Looks like Bournemouth either have or are about to shift Glenn Murray out to Brighton on a season long loan. Shouldn`t make any difference to anything I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collier Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 5 hours ago, Eastend said: I think somebody's theory on here is nailed on! LJ stated in his interview that some players 'might' of already signed with a verbal agreement, but cannot sign and be announced due to contract issues. Tomlin was bound to have a bonus in his contract if Bournemouth stayed up. Maybe he has to be contracted up until a certain date to receive it? For all we know it could be 500k?? A lot of money! i strongly believe he has verbally committed to us, hence the 'talks' have been ongoing for a long long time A verbal contract is not a contract. No way we would be as naive to think we have a player signed who has just given us his word right?? I don't get all this we have signed players but can't announce. If we can't announce then they haven't signed have they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 In law a verbal contract is as equally binding as a written one. The problem is proving what was said and agreed. In football even a written contract is meaningless if a player wants to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collier Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 29 minutes ago, pongo88 said: In law a verbal contract is as equally binding as a written one. The problem is proving what was said and agreed. In football even a written contract is meaningless if a player wants to leave I am talking in terms of signing players though. Unless City have recorded conversations with players/ agents, there is no way of holding them to anything verbal. We are talking about players livelihoods here so I doubt any sort of loyalty to a club here if a better offer comes in after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P'head Red Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 13 minutes ago, collier said: I am talking in terms of signing players though. Unless City have recorded conversations with players/ agents, there is no way of holding them to anything verbal. We are talking about players livelihoods here so I doubt any sort of loyalty to a club here if a better offer comes in after. All calls are recorded for training purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collier Posted July 3, 2016 Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, cynic said: If the deal can't be done in good time due to the complexities, then maybe a season loan could be brokered with a view to make it permanent next window ? Gives time to sort it out and get him in asap.. Not a bad idea but I doubt Bmuff want that considering they don't plan on using him. What would be in it for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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