Big C Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 I guess with Little injured again this may focus our attention on getting this completed now or getting another right back in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 It would appear he will join on a loan deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Can't say i'm that bothered whether it's permanent or a season long loan. We desperately need him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renaissance Williams Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 45 minutes ago, Super said: Can't say i'm that bothered whether it's permanent or a season long loan. We desperately need him now. Nothing wrong with loans with Wigan game a week away - without loans last season we'd be playing with MK Dons again this season! (but very glad that Tomlin's all ours now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Apologies - obviously missed it somewhere - maybe in between the whining about jokes posts but has it been confirmed a loan deal is imminent or is this speculation? Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 28 minutes ago, Neo said: Apologies - obviously missed it somewhere - maybe in between the whining about jokes posts but has it been confirmed a loan deal is imminent or is this speculation? Source? A Sunderland Echo reporter tweeted that Matthews would be moving clubs in the next few days, then confirmed it would be to us on a season-long loan. So not confirmed as such, but seems highly likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 For me - this seems an odd one. If Adam is not wanted at Sunderland then why would they not cash in and try to get their money back? If they wanted a recall option- it could land us in a bit of bother with no clear replacement. Perhaps what it all comes down to is wages. He's on Prem wages with another 3 yrs in contract ( he's not going to throw that away)- we won't pay that much nor will any other club in our bracket whilst the bigger clubs have bigger targets so he hasn't got too many options unless he wants to take a big cut in wages? A loan means they don't have to pay all the wages yet could potentially have an increasing asset. If he did have a good season with us then both him and Sunderland hold all the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 7 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: For me - this seems an odd one. If Adam is not wanted at Sunderland then why would they not cash in and try to get their money back? If they wanted a recall option- it could land us in a bit of bother with no clear replacement. Perhaps what it all comes down to is wages. He's on Prem wages with another 3 yrs in contract ( he's not going to throw that away)- we won't pay that much nor will any other club in our bracket whilst the bigger clubs have bigger targets so he hasn't got too many options unless he wants to take a big cut in wages? A loan means they don't have to pay all the wages yet could potentially have an increasing asset. If he did have a good season with us then both him and Sunderland hold all the cards. I think the suggestion that there is some sort of "loyalty bonus" he would miss out on if he triggers the move, compared to some sort of payout if Sunderland release him before the end of contract, seems a reasonable one to me. Hopefully it's not because we are refusing to pay his agent £22m to broker the deal!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Cigar Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 10 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: For me - this seems an odd one. If Adam is not wanted at Sunderland then why would they not cash in and try to get their money back? If they wanted a recall option- it could land us in a bit of bother with no clear replacement. Perhaps what it all comes down to is wages. He's on Prem wages with another 3 yrs in contract ( he's not going to throw that away)- we won't pay that much nor will any other club in our bracket whilst the bigger clubs have bigger targets so he hasn't got too many options unless he wants to take a big cut in wages? A loan means they don't have to pay all the wages yet could potentially have an increasing asset. If he did have a good season with us then both him and Sunderland hold all the cards. What's a little odd is that Moyes hasn't even bothered looking at him. Assume just taken the advice of the club's coaches and others and decided that was good enough for him. I'm never keen on too many loans in a squad. A sign of instability and short-term planning. But, needs must. And our loanees were great for us last season. I imagine Sunderland want a new permanent right-back and then a back up before they'd consider selling Matthews. And yes, the wages issue. Do we think he's on more than Tomlin at Bournemouth? Either way, he's bound to be on more than anyone else (bar possibly Tomlin now) at the club and after the drawn out Tomlin saga, the club won't be going through that again. Plus, the thought process would be something along the lines of: Tomlin's worth the extra and then some. Not so a right-back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I think the suggestion that there is some sort of "loyalty bonus" he would miss out on if he triggers the move, compared to some sort of payout if Sunderland release him before the end of contract, seems a reasonable one to me. Hopefully it's not because we are refusing to pay his agent £22m to broker the deal!! Makes sense as does Fat Cigar's comments. It just goes to show how complicated it is to merely buy a player particularly one in contract in a higher league. If his contract is worth around £3m in wages ( and I think that's realistic) then that's a hell of a chunk of money for Sunderland to have pay out for a player they have 'no interest' in/ dead wood/expensive flop. The only way his agent would let him walk away is if some compo deal was paid in order for him to drop existing salary and then come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted July 27, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 59 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: For me - this seems an odd one. If Adam is not wanted at Sunderland then why would they not cash in and try to get their money back? If they wanted a recall option- it could land us in a bit of bother with no clear replacement. Perhaps what it all comes down to is wages. He's on Prem wages with another 3 yrs in contract ( he's not going to throw that away)- we won't pay that much nor will any other club in our bracket whilst the bigger clubs have bigger targets so he hasn't got too many options unless he wants to take a big cut in wages? A loan means they don't have to pay all the wages yet could potentially have an increasing asset. If he did have a good season with us then both him and Sunderland hold all the cards. Only goalkeepers (in the case of an emergency) can be recalled from season long loans. Under the old short term loan rules players could be recalled but only after the initial month was completed. I like the idea of a season loan for Matthews as it would suggest we can't match his Sunderland wage so they will be subsidising it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Ashton Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Quote the constant regurgitation of the same joke is tedious to say the least. Sounds like The Fast Show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unan Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, BristolBEAT said: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sunderland defender Adam Matthews is set to rejoin Bristol City on a season-long loan. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/safc?src=hash">#safc</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bcfc?src=hash">#bcfc</a></p>— Pete O'Rourke (@SportsPeteO) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsPeteO/status/758333871687606272">July 27, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> https://twitter.com/SportsPeteO/status/758333871687606272 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, BristolBEAT said: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sunderland defender Adam Matthews is set to rejoin Bristol City on a season-long loan. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/safc?src=hash">#safc</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bcfc?src=hash">#bcfc</a></p>— Pete O'Rourke (@SportsPeteO) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsPeteO/status/758333871687606272">July 27, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Sound! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolBEAT Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said: Sound! Yeah alright.. Got it right in the end.. Sado's.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 4 hours ago, Fat Cigar said: What's a little odd is that Moyes hasn't even bothered looking at him. Assume just taken the advice of the club's coaches and others and decided that was good enough for him. I'm never keen on too many loans in a squad. A sign of instability and short-term planning. But, needs must. And our loanees were great for us last season. I imagine Sunderland want a new permanent right-back and then a back up before they'd consider selling Matthews. And yes, the wages issue. Do we think he's on more than Tomlin at Bournemouth? Either way, he's bound to be on more than anyone else (bar possibly Tomlin now) at the club and after the drawn out Tomlin saga, the club won't be going through that again. Plus, the thought process would be something along the lines of: Tomlin's worth the extra and then some. Not so a right-back. I would be surprised if Moyes hasn't see him play (just maybe not for Sunderland). He played for Celtic and Moyes was often spotted watching them. Moyes also spotted at AG too last season. Plus, who knows how much Moyes and his scouting team viewed him when at Everton too. Might have been on their radar. Moyes (I believe) was one of the proponents of using the Football Managee database too. Moyes may have had his own opinion, e.g. Not good enough, then a quick chat with his new team and asked, anything to change my mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 46 minutes ago, BristolBEAT said: Yeah alright.. Got it right in the end.. Sado's.... Correcting a mistake makes me sad.. I'm very upset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 4 hours ago, Ian M said: Only goalkeepers (in the case of an emergency) can be recalled from season long loans. Under the old short term loan rules players could be recalled but only after the initial month was completed. I like the idea of a season loan for Matthews as it would suggest we can't match his Sunderland wage so they will be subsidising it. Except that they can be recalled in January as is the case with Wes Burns. I also like the idea of a season long loan so long as it's a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Except that they can be recalled in January as is the case with Wes Burns. I also like the idea of a season long loan so long as it's a season. Except you have even more holes to fill in the following summer. Now, if we could get him on a 3 year loan......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Robin Ashton said: Sounds like The Fast Show. Boutros boutros ghali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Rumoured to be having his medical right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citywest30 Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 4 minutes ago, Iron Man said: Rumoured to be having his medical right now. As a trialist in the Clevedon game? (see trialist thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 I hope we sign him on loan with the option to make it permanent once Sunderland sign a suitable replacement, hopefully he will actually be our player by August or January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 5 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: I hope we sign him on loan with the option to make it permanent once Sunderland sign a suitable replacement, hopefully he will actually be our player by August or January. Yeah, good shout....similar to what we did with O'Donnell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargent Pepper Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Imagine chasing him all summer only to find he fails the medical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted July 27, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Except that they can be recalled in January as is the case with Wes Burns. I also like the idea of a season long loan so long as it's a season. Wes isn't on a season long loan though, his was announced as a loan until January, probably with a possible Kodjia call up to the ACON in mind. Could be a shrewd move if Wes has 10-15 goals by then and we get an in form, match fit striker to cover for Jimmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Drew Peacock said: Except you have even more holes to fill in the following summer. Now, if we could get him on a 3 year loan......... Sadly- one way or another there are even more holes to fill every summer. It seems that we have had years and years of they're either not good enough for us..... or too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaspberryRed Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 9 minutes ago, Ian M said: Wes isn't on a season long loan though, his was announced as a loan until January, probably with a possible Kodjia call up to the ACON in mind. Could be a shrewd move if Wes has 10-15 goals by then and we get an in form, match fit striker to cover for Jimmy. If so just further shows LJ & MA's calculated awareness & acumen to all aspects of today's modern, ever evolving game and how best to serve our club Despite being the 'Cheap option' & 'The suit with Sound bites' with every day that passes my belief they will take us forward grows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Ian M said: Wes isn't on a season long loan though, his was announced as a loan until January, probably with a possible Kodjia call up to the ACON in mind. Could be a shrewd move if Wes has 10-15 goals by then and we get an in form, match fit striker to cover for Jimmy. Wes IS on a season long loan though- it's just that he can be recalled in Jan if needed. Exactly the same as is being reported in Sunderland about Matthews- season long loan with an option to recall in Jan if needed. Which was my whole point- great if it's a season long loan but not so great if he got recalled in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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