Engvall

[Red-Robbo]

3 minutes ago, Bobfish said:

I was thinking this the other day. I was chatting to my mate who is a Bournemouth fan, where I believe Des Taylor came from before us, about that Mossett kid that we both tried to sign (I assume at Des’s suggestion.) He said the boy is rotting in the reserves, 8 mill or however much it was seemingly down the pan. I haven't actually checked his appearances, I admit, and it is a bit different as in the premier league, but it does make you wonder. 

 

First to admit I may be barking up the wrong tree with this, but no matter what his reputation is a £2.2m mistake isn't going to be shrugged off.

[MarcusX]

1 hour ago, jayjay said:

On the very few occasions that I have posted here, I never get a brown "like this" in the bottom right corner. I am not saying that anyone would like my comments, but as everyone else seems to get one I feel somewhat underprivileged. Can anyone tell me why? 

You mean red?

[Ivorguy]

We actually don't know whether Engvall's signing WAS a mistake.  He has never been given a proper chance.  Maybe a more likely scenario is poor man management in the sense of failing to help the young man settle in Bristol, and failing to give him encouragement on the pitch. He simply must have something about him to be a striker for Sweden's u21s. I would need a lot more evidence that the fault lies with the player rather than the management.

[ColeCiderRed]

I beg Djurgarden!?

[Red-Robbo]

4 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

We actually don't know whether Engvall's signing WAS a mistake.  He has never been given a proper chance.  Maybe a more likely scenario is poor man management in the sense of failing to help the young man settle in Bristol, and failing to give him encouragement on the pitch. He simply must have something about him to be a striker for Sweden's u21s. I would need a lot more evidence that the fault lies with the player rather than the management.

 

But if Dave Burns was wrong about that then that opens the possibility that he was wrong about everything in his leaked email!!!

[Esmond Million's Bung]

The whole mystery reminds me of this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3960826/Southampton-signed-Ali-Dia-20-years-ago-Sportsmail-recalls-man-claiming-George-Weah-s-cousin-played-Premier-League-game.html

[jayjay]

1 hour ago, RichardEdd said:

I think it's just that you can't like your own comments. Everyone else can see the like button. 

Of course, that makes sense.Thank you Richard.

[1960maaan]

Given Johnson's bizarre team selection, players going in and out like a season long Hokey Kokey . I'd give Engvall a chance before dismissing him on the say so of a manager who, praised Djuric's impact then dropped him, said Reid would be £5m midfielder before he disappeared from the squad and insists that Mags can't play FB while JB can !
I'd like to see a run of games to see him settle, bloody hell I even gave Gary Stanley a couple of games before the abuse started 

[stephenkibby.]

1 hour ago, samo II said:

So Djuric goes under the knife, and we immediately loan out one of our other four strikers, despite another one of them having literally just come back from injury, and one of them being 37.

Makes sense.

Well i'm not in the know but, was told months 1/2 a season ago by a reliable SAUSE  that Johnson didn't rate him in any way.

So it makes no difference to our current match day squad.

He's never going to get a game no matter what we have available .

[JBFC II]

I don't get why people are writing him off already, he's only 20 and yes 1.2 million was a lot to spend on someone of that age but he could come good you never know, just needs game time out on loan to give him a confidence boost

[Rich_s]

In fairness there's a reasonably large percentage of people who believe that we were sold a dud. More fool the club if that was the case. However when Engval started against Hull he didn't look out of place. Granted his goals per game has not been great but he's never played an entire game.

[The_Don]

11 minutes ago, Rich_s said:

In fairness there's a reasonably large percentage of people who believe that we were sold a dud. More fool the club if that was the case. However when Engval started against Hull he didn't look out of place. Granted his goals per game has not been great but he's never played an entire game.

Lets be honest though, he did OK against Hull but didn't look any better than what we already have

[Kid in the Riot]

46 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

We actually don't know whether Engvall's signing WAS a mistake.  He has never been given a proper chance.  Maybe a more likely scenario is poor man management in the sense of failing to help the young man settle in Bristol, and failing to give him encouragement on the pitch. He simply must have something about him to be a striker for Sweden's u21s. I would need a lot more evidence that the fault lies with the player rather than the management.

Sweden's national team are ranked 45th in the world, 10 places below N Ireland and 12 behind Iran.

Also behind stellar footballing nations such as the Congo, Burkino Faso and the Korean Repubic.

Their league is also pretty shite, played at a snail's pace and he wasn't pulling up any trees in it.

The fee always looked massive for him and frankly this could go down as a worse signing than Styvar. Have to wait and see I guess.

[David Brent]

2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Indeed. But what we don't seem to know is if he was poached from us, or released and picked up by the Scousers.

Scousers, probably nicked.

[Rich_s]

8 minutes ago, The_Don said:

Lets be honest though, he did OK against Hull but didn't look any better than what we already have

Valid point. But not being any better than what we have when what we have is a loan signing who will return in the summer and a 37 year old who probably won't be with us next season should have meant Engval was given a run. 

[Engvall's Splinter]

2 hours ago, Mihai said:

Wasted money on a useless footballer.

Hugely harsh. Engvall hasn't put the value on his head, we have. 

He may well not be upto the grade here but to label him a useless footballer is ridiculous. Especially when you've probably seen him action a combined total of 180 minutes. 

[The_Don]

7 minutes ago, Rich_s said:

Valid point. But not being any better than what we have when what we have is a loan signing who will return in the summer and a 37 year old who probably won't be with us next season should have meant Engval was given a run. 

I agree, thanksfully the January transfer window has bolstered that department.

Shame Engvall wasn't prepared to take a loan deal in League One to get himself more acclimatised to the English game.

[Roger Red Hat]

4 minutes ago, Engvall's Splinter said:

Hugely harsh. Engvall hasn't put the value on his head, we have. 

He may well not be upto the grade here but to label him a useless footballer is ridiculous. Especially when you've probably seen him action a combined total of 180 minutes. 

I believe 'Mihai' is posting from Romania, so he's probably seen less of GE than any of us!!

[Bobfish]

I too would like to see the kid given a chance and perhaps he will when numerous players put in transfer requests to leave if LJ stays, especially if we get relegated. The whole situation does smell of the BS we have been fed lately by our club. MA dropped hints in an interview earlier in the season that Engvall was getting “home sick,” which would provide a suitable excuse for loaning him out back home. This could be just sensible player management, but if so then why was des taylor leaving/sacked from the club kept quite for so long after he had gone, only to be released in classic “damage limitation” style at the same time as the headline drawing sacking of Pembo? The fact that Des is now with Liverpool also enables the club to let people fill in the blanks and assume he left us for a bigger club, rather than them having to lie or come out and say he was sacked and why.  

[samo II]

47 minutes ago, stephenkibby. said:

Well i'm not in the know but, was told months 1/2 a season ago by a reliable SAUSE  that Johnson didn't rate him in any way.

So it makes no difference to our current match day squad.

He's never going to get a game no matter what we have available .

That does beg the question as to why he was brought in for a not insignificant fee, and why LJ has repeatedly said he expected us to see more of him after he'd settled in, and then immediately removed him from the match day squad.

I find it hard to have any kind of malice against the lad, or judge him on ability when he's been given zero opportunity to show what he's about.

And people will say "well, LJ sees him everyday in training" - let's be utterly frank; if his judgment was any cop, then we'd not be scratching for points down the bottom of the table with less than ten games remaining.

Maybe Engvall is completely rubbish; I don't know.

But it is another black mark against us, as we paid a big fee for him and brought him over, and we are the ones seemingly unable to improve a 20 year old striker with a decent reputation and international recognition.

He's emblematic of the shambles this season has become; I expect he'll end up leaving for nothing and doing well enough for himself elsewhere.

[Antman]

2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Anyone wondering if the departure of Des Taylor might be connected to this debacle?

I thought this too. I think SL looks at these signings and our position and needs someone to blame.

i suspect LJ is also quick and happy blaming Taylor, rather than his mismanagement. Similar to the way he's sacrificed Pembo.

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, Antman said:

I thought this too. I think SL looks at these signings and our position and needs someone to blame.

i suspect LJ is also quick and happy blaming Taylor, rather than his mismanagement. Similar to the way he's sacrificed Pembo.

At the same time, if a scout has recommended we go all out to sign someone who isn't up to it* then he shoulders much of the blame, surely?

Bit like Uncle Pete's YouTube winners. 

 

 

* Not saying he is - us fans haven't seen enough to reckon it - just saying if that "Wes's dad" assessment is correct.

[Major Isewater]

1 hour ago, ColeCiderRed said:

I beg Djurgarden!?

I never promised you a rose garden .

[Lanterne Rouge]

31 minutes ago, samo II said:

That does beg the question as to why he was brought in for a not insignificant fee, and why LJ has repeatedly said he expected us to see more of him after he'd settled in, and then immediately removed him from the match day squad.

I find it hard to have any kind of malice against the lad, or judge him on ability when he's been given zero opportunity to show what he's about.

And people will say "well, LJ sees him everyday in training" - let's be utterly frank; if his judgment was any cop, then we'd not be scratching for points down the bottom of the table with less than ten games remaining.

Maybe Engvall is completely rubbish; I don't know.

But it is another black mark against us, as we paid a big fee for him and brought him over, and we are the ones seemingly unable to improve a 20 year old striker with a decent reputation and international recognition.

He's emblematic of the shambles this season has become; I expect he'll end up leaving for nothing and doing well enough for himself elsewhere.

That`s probably what will happen. I fully expect to see him in three years or so ripping some English side a new one in the Europa League for someone like Lyon or Hamburg.

[Tears in rain]

Situation is complex.

We can't comment on how good he is as not been given chance although In Hull game he looked good.

However surely in training people are seeing he isn't up to the standard.

Catch 22 maybe? 

[bristolcitysweden]

1891 B.C. SWEDEN on OTIB is a Djurgården season ticket holder. I'm sure he will keep us informed about Engvall

[BCFC Rich]

8 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Indeed. But what we don't seem to know is if he was poached from us, or released and picked up by the Scousers.

Pretty sure this was covered in the MA interview. He was allowed to leave for another club - Liverpool 

[Red-Robbo]

52 minutes ago, RichardEdd said:

Pretty sure this was covered in the MA interview. He was allowed to leave for another club - Liverpool 

If someone wants to leave you can't stop them, but my - and I admit a total conspiracy theory based on just speculation - question is, did Des Taylor recommend we sign Engval? 

[Phileas Fogg]

1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

If someone wants to leave you can't stop them, but my - and I admit a total conspiracy theory based on just speculation - question is, did Des Taylor recommend we sign Engval? 

I guess it's reasonably likely, he spent lots of time in Europe and apparently specialises in younger players. I'm sure he'd have at least watched him a few times but for that expenditure I'd like to think Johnson would've too.

[bpexile]

15 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Anyone wondering if the departure of Des Taylor might be connected to this debacle?

Quite possible but I think Des would have had more succesfull transfers than failures. Pity our coach hasnt been judged on his failures !