Sturny Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 Everyone is creaming themselves because we beat an incredibly poor QPR side caaaaalm down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 On 21/08/2018 at 19:26, KeepUpLino said: So much positive progress in 2017 totally dismantalled in under 8 months... Great work!!! Yes two to three short of a premier team he's now got rid of all cotts players except Marlon and korey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 8 hours ago, tommy_b said: Our fourth top scorer got 5? That is poor. Hadn’t realised. Sack the board Don't look back at our playoff final season goalscorers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted August 22, 2018 Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 On 21/08/2018 at 19:20, KeepUpLino said: This picture certainly tells a story... piss poor how the club haven’t replaced these players... piss poor!!! Could well see us relegated this year. Why did you take this picture in portrait? We don't need to see walls and floors. Here, I've fixed it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 On 21/08/2018 at 20:20, KeepUpLino said: This picture certainly tells a story... piss poor how the club haven’t replaced these players... piss poor!!! Could well see us relegated this year. Am I missing something here? The only story this picture tells me is that you’re not remotely interested in anything approaching a balanced assessment of our summer transfer dealings. ”Not replaced” you say... Reid - replaced by Wiemann, a well regarded player at this level who has 4 goals for us already Dhiedhou - not even gone Flint - replaced by Webster, a young and established Championship player well regarded at his previous club Bryan - replaced by Da Silva in addition to the home grown Kelly, who did very well last season and shows great promise. Presumably what you mean by “not replaced” is “we didn’t replace one £10m striker with another”. Well that’s because we’re an unremarkable second tier club with no recent history of success and no parachute payments - so why would a £10m striker want to come here? Recent history tells us that we fail when we try to recruit at that level - see Gray, Gayle. Our failing was not making the most of the glorious position we found ourselves in at Christmas. But having failed to do that, it was almost inevitable that the players highlighted here would move on. They had essentially outgrown us - proved by the fact that they’ve moved to PL teams and a team that will almost certainly challenge for promotion this season. That is the harsh reality for most clubs - the better players move up. It is the same for clubs below us, where we become the destination for their better players. See Matty Taylor. Time will tell if the players purchased are good enough. But that time is not after 4 league games. Moan about last season’s failings, moan about the specific replacements purchased. But don’t say “not replaced” - because that’s clearly bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Am I missing something here? The only story this picture tells me is that you’re not remotely interested in anything approaching a balanced assessment of our summer transfer dealings. ”Not replaced” you say... Reid - replaced by Wiemann, a well regarded player at this level who has 4 goals for us already Dhiedhou - not even gone Flint - replaced by Webster, a young and established Championship player well regarded at his previous club Bryan - replaced by Da Silva in addition to the home grown Kelly, who did very well last season and shows great promise. Presumably what you mean by “not replaced” is “we didn’t replace one £10m striker with another”. Well that’s because we’re an unremarkable second tier club with no recent history of success and no parachute payments - so why would a £10m striker want to come here? Recent history tells us that we fail when we try to recruit at that level - see Gray, Gayle. Our failing was not making the most of the glorious position we found ourselves in at Christmas. But having failed to do that, it was almost inevitable that the players highlighted here would move on. They had essentially outgrown us - proved by the fact that they’ve moved to PL teams and a team that will almost certainly challenge for promotion this season. That is the harsh reality for most clubs - the better players move up. It is the same for clubs below us, where we become the destination for their better players. See Matty Taylor. Time will tell if the players purchased are good enough. But that time is not after 4 league games. Moan about last season’s failings, moan about the specific replacements purchased. But don’t say “not replaced” - because that’s clearly bollocks. An excellent post. I wanted to respond with something similar, but would never have managed to put it so eloquently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said: An excellent post. I wanted to respond with something similar, but would never have managed to put it so eloquently. Thought the conclusion ‘that’s clearly bollocks’ was especially eloquent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, Jerseybean said: Thought the conclusion ‘that’s clearly bollocks’ was especially eloquent! I’m not a very sweary person but sometimes nothing else quite cuts it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said: Am I missing something here? The only story this picture tells me is that you’re not remotely interested in anything approaching a balanced assessment of our summer transfer dealings. ”Not replaced” you say... Reid - replaced by Wiemann, a well regarded player at this level who has 4 goals for us already Dhiedhou - not even gone Flint - replaced by Webster, a young and established Championship player well regarded at his previous club Bryan - replaced by Da Silva in addition to the home grown Kelly, who did very well last season and shows great promise. Presumably what you mean by “not replaced” is “we didn’t replace one £10m striker with another”. Well that’s because we’re an unremarkable second tier club with no recent history of success and no parachute payments - so why would a £10m striker want to come here? Recent history tells us that we fail when we try to recruit at that level - see Gray, Gayle. Our failing was not making the most of the glorious position we found ourselves in at Christmas. But having failed to do that, it was almost inevitable that the players highlighted here would move on. They had essentially outgrown us - proved by the fact that they’ve moved to PL teams and a team that will almost certainly challenge for promotion this season. That is the harsh reality for most clubs - the better players move up. It is the same for clubs below us, where we become the destination for their better players. See Matty Taylor. Time will tell if the players purchased are good enough. But that time is not after 4 league games. Moan about last season’s failings, moan about the specific replacements purchased. But don’t say “not replaced” - because that’s clearly bollocks. Replaced but majority of those are not improvements or similar playing ability. Weimann though is filling BR’s boots nicely it seems, but long way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Just now, Sturny said: Replaced but majority of those are not improvements or similar playing ability. Weimann though is filling BR’s boots nicely it seems, but long way to go How can you claim that they’re not improvements when City have played just four games? Kelly can and has filled the LB vacancy. He can also play at CB. LJ has brought in Dasilva on a season longer loan, also to cover at LB. Wiemann has four in four...... Webster is a better footballer than Flint ever was. He can bring the ball out, something big Aden couldnt do with his turning circle of a double decker bus...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sturny said: Replaced but majority of those are not improvements or similar playing ability. Weimann though is filling BR’s boots nicely it seems, but long way to go You’ve missed the point entirely. If we knew for certain they were improvements at this stage, we would have paid more for them than the players we sold, which simply isn’t realistic for a club in our position. And anyway we don’t know yet whether they will turn out to be improvements in the medium to long term. Flint arrived from Swindon for peanuts. Entirely possible that Webster - already established at a higher level than Flint was when he came - might prove to be a highly valuable and improving asset. Kelly could easily prove to be the new Joe Bryan based on his early promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: You’ve missed the point entirely. If we knew for certain they were improvements at this stage, we would have paid more for them than the players we sold, which simply isn’t realistic for a club in our position. And anyway we don’t know yet whether they will turn out to be improvements in the medium to long term. Flint arrived from Swindon for peanuts. Entirely possible that Webster - already established at a higher level than Flint was when he came - might prove to be a highly valuable and improving asset. Kelly could easily prove to be the new Joe Bryan based on his early promise. I'm not saying it was doable to replace improvements immediately. Just being realistic that what we've signed currently isn't an improvement or similar playing ability. (bar Weimann by the looks) I'm fairly confident Webster and DaSilva aren't currently play off team / premier league ability like Flint / Bryan are. Pretty sure we're saying the same thing, people just seem to get triggered when you even DARE suggest DaSilva or Webster currently aren't as good as Flint or Bryan and then they go on to state the obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Robbored said: How can you claim that they’re not improvements when City have played just four games? Kelly can and has filled the LB vacancy. He can also play at CB. LJ has brought in Dasilva on a season longer loan, also to cover at LB. Wiemann has four in four...... Webster is a better footballer than Flint ever was. He can bring the ball out, something big Aden couldnt do with his turning circle of a double decker bus...... Jesus Christ, have you had some good news today or something?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cswhitlock Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bryans Left Peg said: Jesus Christ, have you had some good news today or something?? probably got laid last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Oh and you can now add Kalas to the list of players we’ve signed that apparently don’t count as replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Sturny said: Replaced but majority of those are not improvements or similar playing ability. Weimann though is filling BR’s boots nicely it seems, but long way to go How can you state that after 4 games? Maybe make a more considered appraisal after 20 games and then you will have some stats to back it up. Weimann 4 in 4 isn’t a bad start and personally think Webster is a far better player than Flint was at 24 and a much better footballer Kelly - I think the rave reviews from most on this forum speaks volumes as to whether he is a capable replacement for JB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, ChippenhamRed said: Oh and you can now add Kalas to the list of players we’ve signed that apparently don’t count as replacements. He’s a very good replacement tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, INCRED said: How can you state that after 4 games? Maybe make a more considered appraisal after 20 games and then you will have some stats to back it up. That’s what I and a few others basically said to him about Dasilva but apparently that counts as being ‘triggered’! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 It's eminently plausible that in due course Webster and Kelly/Da Silva will be replacements- maybe upgrades. In due course the key term there though- think it will take a while for Webster to reach Flint levels and Kelly is still young and untested over the rigours of a full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, INCRED said: How can you state that after 4 games? Maybe make a more considered appraisal after 20 games and then you will have some stats to back it up. Weimann 4 in 4 isn’t a bad start and personally think Webster is a far better player than Flint was at 24 and a much better footballer Kelly - I think the rave reviews from most on this forum speaks volumes as to whether he is a capable replacement for JB It's my opinion/speculation. If you think Webster/DaSilva will achieve what Bryan/Flint have go ahead that's your opinion and that would be equal speculation of me saying they won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 @Super "Burger" Honestly don't know what meaning Unicorn, Chicken, Burger or Flames emojis are meant to convey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: @Super "Burger" Honestly don't know what meaning Unicorn, Chicken, Burger or Flames emojis are meant to convey. No idea either mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 15 hours ago, RobintheRed Red said: Yes two to three short of a premier team he's now got rid of all cotts players except Marlon and korey Marlon was an O’Driscoll signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: That’s what I and a few others basically said to him about Dasilva but apparently that counts as being ‘triggered’! With your logic that you can't judge a player AT ALL having played 270~ minutes for us but people judged Diony for less the amount of minutes he played for us as some of these players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: @Super "Burger" Honestly don't know what meaning Unicorn, Chicken, Burger or Flames emojis are meant to convey. "Burger that" The kid friendly way of saying "bugger that" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Sturny said: He’s a very good replacement tbf How do you know? Seen him play have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said: Marlon was an O’Driscoll signing. So was flint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Robbored said: How do you know? Seen him play have you? Surely you’ve also seen him play several times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sturny said: With your logic that you can't judge a player AT ALL having played 270~ minutes for us but people judged Diony for less the amount of minutes he played for us as some of these players. Not really, you can get an initial impression but it won’t tell the whole story. Not enough to make a good comparison anyway. RE: Diony I actually agree with that, hard to tell what he’s really capable of in the time he played. Lots of other context to consider with that deal too. Could’ve been a case of right player but wrong time - ideally we needed someone who could make an impact straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Robbored said: How can you claim that they’re not improvements when City have played just four games? Kelly can and has filled the LB vacancy. He can also play at CB. LJ has brought in Dasilva on a season longer loan, also to cover at LB. Wiemann has four in four...... Webster is a better footballer than Flint ever was. He can bring the ball out, something big Aden couldnt do with his turning circle of a double decker bus...... Ohhhhhhhhhh The hypocricy Priceless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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