PHILINFRANCE Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 This one appears to have gone quiet, and I wonder if it has died a death. A couple of weeks ago now, but there was some talk over here of him signing for Valenciennes to join his old goalkeeping coach, Jérémie Janot. As ever, time will tell, but with pre-season having started yesterday it is looking less likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: This one appears to have gone quiet, and I wonder if it has died a death. A couple of weeks ago now, but there was some talk over here of him signing for Valenciennes to join his old goalkeeping coach, Jérémie Janot. As ever, time will tell, but with pre-season having started yesterday it is looking less likely. Perhaps we are waiting for some outgoings to happen before we can make other signings. Will the signing of Buse have an affect on this deal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) People need a little patience in my opinion. It was leaked only Thursday, foreign signing are more complicated with international clearance/work permits required. He could also be still on his summer break. I doubt much progressed over the weekend if it's paper work required. His current contract runs until the end of the month so may not be able to complete all the documents or officially announce until then. Edited June 21, 2022 by Dynamite Red 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 When does the official transfer window open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 Think I've read before that work permit decisions can take up to two weeks? Given this one looks a lot closer, albeit it should be fine, than our previous foreign signings (given criteria at the time) feels like we could be waiting for everything to be finalised. I guess another factor is if Compensation is due, we could be trying to negotiate before going tribunal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 41 minutes ago, Monkeh said: When does the official transfer window open? It opened on 10th June 38 minutes ago, hinsleburg said: Think I've read before that work permit decisions can take up to two weeks? Given this one looks a lot closer, albeit it should be fine, than our previous foreign signings (given criteria at the time) feels like we could be waiting for everything to be finalised. I guess another factor is if Compensation is due, we could be trying to negotiate before going tribunal? For a international transfer (u23) there is no tribunal, it’s a pre-defined calculation based on the category of club that trained him, in this case St Etienne (Cat 1). For any u23 player transferred internationally, any clubs that were involved in his training from 12-21 are entitled to a payment. St Etienne would be entitled to : €10k per season between 12-16 (€40k) €90k per season between 16-20 (€360k) I suspect his transfer to Pau became a point where he ceased to deemed to be training. So I reckon we might have to pay €400k. The ambiguity is two-fold. is he about to go OOC at Pau (short term deal signed in Feb??) was the fact that he transferred to Pau for free (early terminating his contract) an admission from St Etienne that they held no ongoing obligation to training compensation It is a really difficult area to get your head around once you get into specific examples, especially where a players has transferred as a professional rather than a youth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It opened on 10th June For a international transfer (u23) there is no tribunal, it’s a pre-defined calculation based on the category of club that trained him, in this case St Etienne (Cat 1). For any u23 player transferred internationally, any clubs that were involved in his training from 12-21 are entitled to a payment. St Etienne would be entitled to : €10k per season between 12-16 (€40k) €90k per season between 16-20 (€360k) I suspect his transfer to Pau became a point where he ceased to deemed to be training. So I reckon we might have to pay €400k. The ambiguity is two-fold. is he about to go OOC at Pau (short term deal signed in Feb??) was the fact that he transferred to Pau for free (early terminating his contract) an admission from St Etienne that they held no ongoing obligation to training compensation It is a really difficult area to get your head around once you get into specific examples, especially where a players has transferred as a professional rather than a youth. Does that include international and the French windows nit just ours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Monkeh said: Does that include international and the French windows nit just ours? There are different dates, but according to several sources “most international federations” are 10th June. In France Lg1’s case, yes, 10th June. https://www.ligue1.com/Articles/NEWS/2022/05/04/transfers-dates-for-season-2022-23-announced You can of course transfer a player any time, just can’t “transfer the registration” unless the window is open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 2 hours ago, hinsleburg said: Think I've read before that work permit decisions can take up to two weeks? Quicker than passports, hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Quicker than passports, hopefully. Bloody Civil Servants. As Jacob R-M said, if you simply went back into the office every day then all our problems would be solved overnight. Take back control.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 21 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Bloody Civil Servants. As Jacob R-M said, if you simply went back into the office every day then all our problems would be solved overnight. Take back control.. What Jacob R-M thinks an office is...... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: What Jacob R-M thinks an office is...... Far too modern. He's the Honourable Member for the 18th Century so she would be using a quill. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 Didn’t MacGregor all but confirmed this signing a few days ago? Not saying that guarantees anything but a positive sign nonetheless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamite Red Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 1 hour ago, formerly known as ivan said: Didn’t MacGregor all but confirmed this signing a few days ago? Not saying that guarantees anything but a positive sign nonetheless It's been confirmed by multiple media sources both here and abroad. I think it's a matter of time but dotting the i's and crossing the t's may take a bit of time hence the delay in officially announcing the deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 21, 2022 Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Dynamite Red said: It's been confirmed by multiple media sources both here and abroad. I think it's a matter of time but dotting the i's and crossing the t's may take a bit of time hence the delay in officially announcing the deal. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Silvio Dante Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Selred said: @Davefevs immediately runs into the nearest phone box, grabs his eligibility calculator and offers his services 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Selred said: 1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said: @Davefevs immediately runs into the nearest phone box, grabs his eligibility calculator and offers his services Seems strange to bring him all the way here for a medical to then find this out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Just now, Port Said Red said: Seems strange to bring him all the way here for a medical to then find this out. Does seem weird. You'd think that was something that would be sorted prior to the rest of the transfer process starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, Selred said: So he’s been turned down for a credit card? Awkward, but he could use Klarna 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 So someone made it up and is now clutching at straws as to why it's not happening? Or just making it up because it's not happened yet? If it's a visa that's been rejected, is that not along the same lines as a work permit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 17 minutes ago, Taz said: So someone made it up and is now clutching at straws as to why it's not happening? Or just making it up because it's not happened yet? If it's a visa that's been rejected, is that not along the same lines as a work permit? It wasn't made up, I am not prepared to reveal how I know, but @Davefevsknows my source is impeccable, he was at the HPC yesterday having a fitness test. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: It wasn't made up, I am not prepared to reveal how I know, but @Davefevsknows my source is impeccable, he was at the HPC yesterday having a fitness test. Why was @Davefevs having a fitness test. New CB ? 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 8 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: Why was @Davefevs having a fitness test. New CB ? Jesus hope not, he’d make Alfie Mawsons knees and hamstrings seem like they’re intact 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-city/bristol-city-transfer-target-keen-for-move-abroad-after-rejecting-offer-from-club-3739876 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Taz said: So someone made it up and is now clutching at straws as to why it's not happening? Or just making it up because it's not happened yet? If it's a visa that's been rejected, is that not along the same lines as a work permit? I would imagine he would be on a tier 2 visa which as far as I'm aware is the same thing as a work permit. Having hired a lot of people on tier 2 visas recently I would be quite surprised if he was rejected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 Would explain why buse got another year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Monkeh said: Would explain why buse got another year Sorry, what would? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 22, 2022 Report Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Port Said Red said: It wasn't made up, I am not prepared to reveal how I know, but @Davefevsknows my source is impeccable, he was at the HPC yesterday having a fitness test. Another OTIB poster heard the same as you but from a different source to yours, which is encouraging. I know nothing, but my gut feel from my WP calcs is that he passes….just. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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