Local Non League Thread 2022-23

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, Northern Red said:

Some of the cross-country trips in the South division are as long as anything that Gloucester or Bishop's Stortford will do in the North, e.g Dover/Braintree to play Truro (who are playing in Plymouth next season).

 

That's true, but Truro have Torquay and Taunton to give a derby flavour and Dover have Maidstone, Tonbridge and Eastbourne within easy striking distance.

There isn't a sensible away around it, other than to have leagues of uneven size, which would make promotion to a national league a bit inconsistent. 

[Lanterne Rouge]

I`ve often thought that, given the way our road network is structured, that an east/west split would be better than north/south.

[phantom]

Into double figures now the number of teams that are appealing against the league that they have been placed in 

Bishops Stortford being the latest 

[Carey 6]

1 hour ago, phantom said:

Into double figures now the number of teams that are appealing against the league that they have been placed in 

Bishops Stortford being the latest 

Where have you seen all the teams that have appealed? Anyone local? Guessing Mangotsfield will be one. 

[Northern Red]

52 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

Where have you seen all the teams that have appealed? Anyone local? Guessing Mangotsfield will be one. 

I know that from my part of the world Northwich Victoria and Winsford have. Both moved sideways from the North West Counties League to the Midland League.

[phantom]

1 hour ago, Carey 6 said:

Where have you seen all the teams that have appealed? Anyone local? Guessing Mangotsfield will be one. 

A guy called Ollie Bayliss reports on Non league football on Twitter

For anyone not on Twitter the below are the teams appealing at of 4pm on 18th May 2023

 

Ardley United - against being in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League - they want to be in the United Counties Division 1

Bishops Stortford - against being in the National League North - they want to be in the National League South

FC Peterborough -  - against being in the Eastern Counties Division 1 - they want to be in the Spartan South Midlands League Division 1

Harrow Borough  - against being in the Southern League South Division - they'd be reprieved from relegation as the Met Police have taken a voluntary relegation

London Lions - against being in the United Counties Division 1 - they want to be in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League (have offered to switch with Ardley)

Northwich Victoria  - against being in the Midlands League Premier League - they want to be in the North West Counties Premier League

Ollerton Town  - against being in the Northern Counties East Division 1 - they want to be in the United Counties Division 1

Sawbridge Town - against being in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League - they want to be in the Essex Senior League

Stansted FC - against being in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League - they want to be in the Essex Senior League

Winsford United - against being in the Midlands League Premier League - they want to be in the North West Counties Premier League

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Red-Robbo]

1 minute ago, phantom said:

A guy called Ollie Bayliss reports on Non league football on Twitter

For anyone not on Twitter the below are the teams appealing at of 4pm on 18th May 2023

 

Ardley United - against being in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League - they want to be in the United Counties Division 1

Bishops Stortford - against being in the National League North - they want to be in the National League South

FC Peterborough -  - against being in the Eastern Counties Division 1 - they want to be in the Spartan South Midlands League Division 1

Harrow Borough  - against being in the Southern League South Division - they'd be reprieved from relegation as the Met Police have taken a voluntary relegation

London Lions - against being in the United Counties Division 1 - they want to be in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League (have offered to switch with Ardley)

Northwich Victoria  - against being in the Midlands League Premier League - they want to be in the North West Counties Premier League

Ollerton Town  - against being in the Northern Counties East Division 1 - they want to be in the United Counties Division 1

Sawbridge Town - against being in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League - they want to be in the Essex Senior League

Stansted FC - against being in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League - they want to be in the Essex Senior League

Winsford United - against being in the Midlands League Premier League - they want to be in the North West Counties Premier League

 

 

You forgot...

Bristol Rovers FC - against being in EFL League One - they want to be in the Argentine Primera Division. 

[Silvio Dante]

1 hour ago, phantom said:

A guy called Ollie Bayliss reports on Non league football on Twitter

For anyone not on Twitter the below are the teams appealing at of 4pm on 18th May 2023

 

Ardley United - against being in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League - they want to be in the United Counties Division 1

Bishops Stortford - against being in the National League North - they want to be in the National League South

FC Peterborough -  - against being in the Eastern Counties Division 1 - they want to be in the Spartan South Midlands League Division 1

Harrow Borough  - against being in the Southern League South Division - they'd be reprieved from relegation as the Met Police have taken a voluntary relegation

London Lions - against being in the United Counties Division 1 - they want to be in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League (have offered to switch with Ardley)

Northwich Victoria  - against being in the Midlands League Premier League - they want to be in the North West Counties Premier League

Ollerton Town  - against being in the Northern Counties East Division 1 - they want to be in the United Counties Division 1

Sawbridge Town - against being in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League - they want to be in the Essex Senior League

Stansted FC - against being in the Spartan South Midlands Premier League - they want to be in the Essex Senior League

Winsford United - against being in the Midlands League Premier League - they want to be in the North West Counties Premier League

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hang on…so Harrow Borough, if I’m reading right, don’t want their reprieve from relegation that they’ve got through Met Police taking a voluntary drop as they’re currently in the same division as last year??

[Eddie Hitler]

On 16/05/2023 at 14:46, Northern Red said:

Some of the cross-country trips in the South division are as long as anything that Gloucester or Bishop's Stortford will do in the North, e.g Dover/Braintree to play Truro (who are playing in Plymouth next season).

 

I knew someone who was active in Truro Supporters' Club and also used to drive their minibus to all the away games.

He is also a bit of a, shall we say, "numbers man".

He had worked out the total season mileage for Truro and then compared it with what it would have been if they were in the Northern League.

It was fewer miles in the Northern League.

People don't realise that Truro, 284 miles, is further from London than is Durham, 280 miles. Or that Yeovil is pretty much halfway between London and Truro.

In the Southern the marathon trips were to Kent and East Anglia, there weren't many short trips west of Bristol.

In the Northern there were a lot of relatively short trips to the Midlands.

 

Edit: this was when Truro was playing in Truro at Treyew Road, they are currently homeless and playing at Plymouth Parkway, just off the A38.

 

 

Edited May 18, 2023 by Eddie Hitler

[Northern Red]

13 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

I knew someone who was active in Truro Supporters' Club and also used to drive their minibus to all the away games.

He is also a bit of a, shall we say, "numbers man".

He had worked out the total season mileage for Truro and then compared it with what it would have been if they were in the Northern League.

It was fewer miles in the Northern League.

People don't realise that Truro, 284 miles, is further from London than is Durham, 280 miles. Or that Yeovil is pretty much halfway between London and Truro.

In the Southern the marathon trips were to Kent and East Anglia, there weren't many short trips west of Bristol.

In the Northern there were a lot of relatively short trips to the Midlands.

 

Edit: this was when Truro was playing in Truro at Treyew Road, they are currently homeless and playing at Plymouth Parkway, just off the A38.

 

 

I saw them play at Redditch a few years ago on a Monday night, they'd brought a minibus full of fans, plus there were one or two who lived fairly locally.

[phantom]

5 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Hang on…so Harrow Borough, if I’m reading right, don’t want their reprieve from relegation that they’ve got through Met Police taking a voluntary drop as they’re currently in the same division as last year??

Correct 

I guess the financial strain on a club and ensuring that the club continues to exist is more important 

Though makes me wonder how much of a fight was put up to try not to be relegated 

[cider hoss rules]

Gloucester City have just appointed former Blackburn keeper Tim Flowers as manager.

From memory, he got Solihull Moors in the promotion mix when he was there.

https://www.gloucestercityafc.com/post/flowers-joins-city?fbclid=IwAR0hO51DSpXeMrQHJgY6RxE_ZZQhBYFlrM9WehgKBPFfjBAFWlA6dY5V0Vg

[Kid in the Riot]

3 hours ago, cider hoss rules said:

Gloucester City have just appointed former Blackburn keeper Tim Flowers as manager.

From memory, he got Solihull Moors in the promotion mix when he was there.

https://www.gloucestercityafc.com/post/flowers-joins-city?fbclid=IwAR0hO51DSpXeMrQHJgY6RxE_ZZQhBYFlrM9WehgKBPFfjBAFWlA6dY5V0Vg

Will be a tough gig as Gloucester are going back to a part-time model to address financial losses.

[22A]

It's non league cup final day at Wembley today. Sadly no local teams involved.

Ascot have just beaten Newport Pagnall 1-0 to lift the FA Vase (used to be the FA Amateur Cup). It was mentioned that one of the Newport players has scored 38 goals this season.

Kicking off 4.00pm it's Halifax V Gateshead in the FA Trophy Final. That's for professional teams outside the EFL.

Both games on BT sports channel 408.

Edited May 21, 2023 by 22A

[22A]

4 hours ago, 22A said:

It's non league cup final day at Wembley today. Sadly no local teams involved.

Ascot have just beaten Newport Pagnall 1-0 to lift the FA Vase (used to be the FA Amateur Cup). It was mentioned that one of the Newport players has scored 38 goals this season.

Kicking off 4.00pm it's Halifax V Gateshead in the FA Trophy Final. That's for professional teams outside the EFL.

Both games on BT sports channel 408.

1-0 win for Halifax.

[phantom]

Hednesford Town say they won’t be able to compete in the 2023/24 season.

The club was due to play in the Northern Premier League West (Step 4) next season.

[You Do The Dziekanowski]

On 18/05/2023 at 23:01, phantom said:

Correct 

I guess the financial strain on a club and ensuring that the club continues to exist is more important 

Though makes me wonder how much of a fight was put up to try not to be relegated 

Financial strain is the biggest killer of step 4-5 clubs. They are at the bottom of the FA Cup prize list unless they have a miraculous run. FA Vase pays a pittance until round 4 and some clubs pay ridiculous amounts to players. 
 

Hellenic League, some clubs had a wage bill of £2,000 a week…. (In total, not per player) 

This leaves some of the smaller clubs having to maybe pay players a little more to keep their assets that far down the pyramid.

 

However, I reckon the main cause of this argument against being reprieved stems down to players not fancying it. It’s astonishing how a string of bad results means players all of sudden aren’t available. Maybe the club thought, what’s the point in staying up, losing each week and losing players interest. Go down, compete and have a chance to bring through younger talent whilst everyone’s enjoying it? 
 

I’ve had this argument with a few other Bristol and District/Combination managers over the years. (I don’t mean any disrespect here) some clubs finish a season with 3 points from 20+ games and a -80 goal difference. Then some teams win the league by December. I appreciate people will be upset by it, but a complete restructure to even out the teams that struggle and the teams that fly should make for 7 competitive divisions and hopefully we won’t have as many teams folding each year. There’s no enjoyment either side of a 10-0 win/loss. Where it could take 2/3 years to play at your level. 

[cidered abroad]

31 minutes ago, You Do The Dziekanowski said:

Financial strain is the biggest killer of step 4-5 clubs. They are at the bottom of the FA Cup prize list unless they have a miraculous run. FA Vase pays a pittance until round 4 and some clubs pay ridiculous amounts to players. 
 

Hellenic League, some clubs had a wage bill of £2,000 a week…. (In total, not per player) 

This leaves some of the smaller clubs having to maybe pay players a little more to keep their assets that far down the pyramid.

 

However, I reckon the main cause of this argument against being reprieved stems down to players not fancying it. It’s astonishing how a string of bad results means players all of sudden aren’t available. Maybe the club thought, what’s the point in staying up, losing each week and losing players interest. Go down, compete and have a chance to bring through younger talent whilst everyone’s enjoying it? 
 

I’ve had this argument with a few other Bristol and District/Combination managers over the years. (I don’t mean any disrespect here) some clubs finish a season with 3 points from 20+ games and a -80 goal difference. Then some teams win the league by December. I appreciate people will be upset by it, but a complete restructure to even out the teams that struggle and the teams that fly should make for 7 competitive divisions and hopefully we won’t have as many teams folding each year. There’s no enjoyment either side of a 10-0 win/loss. Where it could take 2/3 years to play at your level. 

As a teenager, I played for Cardiff City juniors in Church of England under 16. God knows why that was the team name as a guy living in Stapleton ran it.

Big wins and defeats were there a plenty. We lost one game 31-2 and I scored the two.

Neither side enjoyed it!

[phantom]

Truro publishing this nonsense yet again... 

[phantom]

When details of the FA Cup, Trophy, Vase & Youth Cup will be published:

 

Fri 16th June

Round dates

 

Fri 30th June

List of clubs, round exemptions and prize funds

 

Fri 7th July

The draw for the first two rounds of each competition

 

W/C Mon 17th July

Competition rules

[Engvall’s Splinter]

19 hours ago, phantom said:

Truro publishing this nonsense yet again... 

Nothing wrong with ambition. 

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

Just bumping this back up for those that have an interest in the non league scene. 

Aaron Sainsbury who was Paultons players player and supporters player of the season as left the club. Wouldn't be surprised to see him rock up at Yate. 

Another keeper to have left is Ben John at Manor Farm. They have since signed on Frankie Phillips (son of Steve) as there number 1. Decent keeper saw him a few times for Chilcompton Sports last season.

Paulton now have there new keeper, Sam Jepson who starred for Corsham in there run to semi final of the FA Vase last season.

[phantom]

Following the departure of Shrivenham FC from the Hellenic Premier Division, Mangotsfield United will now remain in the Hellenic Premier Division for the 2023/24 season (they were initially placed in the Western League).

[22A]

On 16/05/2023 at 20:00, Lanterne Rouge said:

I`ve often thought that, given the way our road network is structured, that an east/west split would be better than north/south.

The Minor Counties Cricket did that. Suffolk and Norfolk now play Northumberland and Lincs instead of Cornwall and Devon. Much easier to get to

[phantom]

Bishop’s Stortford have lost their appeal against their placement in the National League North.

The club will compete in the National League North for the 2023/24 season.

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Stansted FC have lost their appeal against their sideways move into the Spartan South Midlands League.

*****

Marlow have successfully appealed against their sideways movement out of the Isthmian League South Central division to the Southern League Central division.

The club will therefore compete in the Isthmian League South Central division next season.

****

Winsford United lost their appeal against their sideways move into the Midland Premier League.

As a result, the club has asked to be relegated down to Step 6 (the North West Counties Division 1).

 

 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

1 hour ago, phantom said:

Bishop’s Stortford have lost their appeal against their placement in the National League North.

The club will compete in the National League North for the 2023/24 season.

*****

Stansted FC have lost their appeal against their sideways move into the Spartan South Midlands League.

*****

Marlow have successfully appealed against their sideways movement out of the Isthmian League South Central division to the Southern League Central division.

The club will therefore compete in the Isthmian League South Central division next season.

****

Winsford United lost their appeal against their sideways move into the Midland Premier League.

As a result, the club has asked to be relegated down to Step 6 (the North West Counties Division 1).

 

 

If Marlow has successfully appealed has someone else had to move? 

[phantom]

1 hour ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

If Marlow has successfully appealed has someone else had to move? 

At present the leagues are scheduled to run with odd numbers 

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Northwich Victoria have lost their appeal against their sideways into the Midlands League.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

Midlands sides really are the whipping boys of non league. It is possible that the suggestion of an East/West spilt rather than North/South might help although it could take away local derby money spinners.