TheReds Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The higher you go though, how much say does a manager get over signings? It's hard to find a happy medium between the manager/head coach running the show and getting the full say, and players picked and the guy in charge told to coach them, organise them etc. Downside of giving the manager carte blanche is that he can spend his budget, or beyond- leave the club hamstrung or worse in breach of FFP on departure, or failing that just leave the budget blown when he quite or is sacked leaving the replacement with little room for change. Which can leave the new boss inheriting lots of players who are underperforming, unhappy and ultimately not gelling or simply unwanted, don't fit the system whatever.. Having someone show up and being told he's your new player is completely different to any happy medium, getting carte blanche, or trying to get your own players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 41 minutes ago, DaveF said: Neil seemed very positive about the signing though? What’s he going to say for public consumption? Who the **** is he? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 Sunderland fans already suggesting either Dyche or Allerdyce as their next manager. As if Stoke would take O’Neil over either of them if they were interested in a Championship job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 Big Sam worked there albeit when PL, had a fairly happy time there I believe but obviously wouldn't stay if England job on offer. Could he go back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Big Sam worked there albeit when PL, had a fairly happy time there I believe but obviously wouldn't stay if England job on offer. Could he go back? Big Sam for England? Have I time travelled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Bard said: Big Sam for England? Have I time travelled? What I'm saying is that he was at Sunderland for about 6 months or so in 2015/16. Got offered England and away he went. However he perhaps had quite a good time at Sunderland so wouldn't rule out a return entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 17 hours ago, Davefevs said: I read that Stoke met the release clause. It could be as simple as that. Brooker, Partridge and Orr had release clauses. That was for good behaviour though! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, TheReds said: Having someone show up and being told he's your new player is completely different to any happy medium, getting carte blanche, or trying to get your own players. What's Mystic Meg and Dierdre's Mum from Corrie got to do with Sunderland? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 42 minutes ago, WarksRobin said: Sunderland fans already suggesting either Dyche or Allerdyce as their next manager. As if Stoke would take O’Neil over either of them if they were interested in a Championship job But Sunderland are by far the bigger draw IMO hence the shock surrounding this. Stoke are in a similar financial situation to us and Sunderland have the ability to pull crowds that dwarf that of Stokes. I don't think the names you mentioned would choose Stoke City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, billywedlock said: Feel a bit sorry for Sunderland fans , promotion and started well . A bit like us in August / September 1990 .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 If anyone wants a laugh, the 'Odds on Mowbray shortening by the hour' thread on the Sunderland forum is worth a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: What’s he going to say for public consumption? Who the **** is he? Give it to Conor McGregor for the season . /probably doin' nothin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 Stoke tried to get Neil last time they were looking, don't know if they ended up in hot water over it but certainly Preston weren't very happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 2 hours ago, GrahamC said: What’s he going to say for public consumption? Who the **** is he? Pearson would have in that situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 Mowbray it is then according to Jeff just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 On 25/08/2022 at 17:29, Port Said Red said: There are people with scruples out there. My friend follows Yate Town and said he was chatting to 4 guys who were gasheads and have become season ticket holders there instead. There maybe more. Was it @Seventeenwho said on here that he hasn't been down since Barton came in? Correct 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted August 27, 2022 Report Share Posted August 27, 2022 Stelling just said Stole asked Holden to take charge today , which he did , and they win 1-0 at Blackburn Immediately after the game he loses his job ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 21 hours ago, Sheltons Army said: Stelling just said Stole asked Holden to take charge today , which he did , and they win 1-0 at Blackburn Immediately after the game he loses his job ! He made 5 changes and changed the formation. Wins 1-0 and immediately gets the elbow. Brutal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 Depending on who you believe, he was either sacked on the touchline not long after the game, or he knew that he'd be going beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 100% win record though...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 I see Neil has been confirmed now. Is Stoke really more of an attractive proposition than Sunderland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, eardun said: I see Neil has been confirmed now. Is Stoke really more of an attractive proposition than Sunderland? Yes, if your family lives in Preston 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, eardun said: I see Neil has been confirmed now. Is Stoke really more of an attractive proposition than Sunderland? I think if you read the whole thread you might find out why people think it happened.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) Speaks volumes for what an utterly extraordinary decision it was for City to appoint Dean Holden manager. Like or loathe them the Stoke owners know something about running a football club. Edited August 28, 2022 by Red Exile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Red Exile said: Speaks volumes for what an utterly extraordinary decision it was for City to appoint Dean Holden manager. Like or loathe them the Stoke owners know something about running a football club. As in Stoke made illegal approaches to (and appointed) Lousy Pint for which he had them over a barrell , as did, er, ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 Oh my.. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Red Exile said: Speaks volumes for what an utterly extraordinary decision it was for City to appoint Dean Holden manager. Like or loathe them the Stoke owners know something about running a football club. I recall hearing that the summer we offered Holden the manager's job, he'd received an offer from Stoke to take up a 'regular' coaching role there. That's the statement that really hits home for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 On 26/08/2022 at 11:12, cidercity1987 said: That would be one of the strangest managerial moves ever Why would Neil go from a massive Prem level club like Sunderland to a club like Stoke who have no bigger a fanbase than us? 4 hours ago, eardun said: I see Neil has been confirmed now. Is Stoke really more of an attractive proposition than Sunderland? I think the Sunderland love in on our forum is a little extreme at times. Almost as though having lots of fans doesn't suddenly make you the biggest, best, most attractive, and most important team in the League. There are many other factors that make a club positive, effective and attractive - as illustrated by some of the stories in this thread re Sunderland's owners. People also seem to forget that Sunderland have spent roughly the last half a decade in League 1! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 28, 2022 Report Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) Stoke also made an illegal approach to Alex Neil in 2019 but backed off when Preston reacted badly iirc. Think @Northern Red mentioned it but guessing he had a more concrete not rolling deal in place at Preston. Edited August 28, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 29, 2022 Report Share Posted August 29, 2022 10 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said: I recall hearing that the summer we offered Holden the manager's job, he'd received an offer from Stoke to take up a 'regular' coaching role there. That's the statement that really hits home for me. Yeah, he confirmed that himself when he went to Stoke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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