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Lrrr

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Probably a case of Nahki being the type of personality Pearson wants around the group, evidenced by last season being out of the first team wanting to play 21’s to prove himself rather than grumbling about not being in the team and being a positive influence and role model for younger members of the squad 

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2 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

Probably a case of Nahki being the type of personality Pearson wants around the group, evidenced by last season being out of the first team wanting to play 21’s to prove himself rather than grumbling about not being in the team and being a positive influence and role model for younger members of the squad 

Yep. In that video with Scott and Conway that they put out last week, Tommy mentioned how much he'd learnt from Nahki, not just playing together in the U21/3s but from spending most of last season on the bench with him and how professional he was about not playing when he could have sulked and kicked up a stink about it.

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Fordy62

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Personally I was really looking forward to getting him off the wages… but I’ve got to say he’s been nothing but the model professional even when playing in the U23’s… a well earned deal. 

Fair play. 

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pongo88

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Good video, apart from the white socks! Nahki’s form this season, and the new contract begs the question, why wasn’t he getting regular starts last season? 

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Great news for us.

Not many better we could bring in with the cost restraints we are currently under if we did not renew.

Model professional, suffered for joining us when we were a shambles but has never shirked or sulked even when unfairly (in my opinion) scapegoated for our abysmal performances.

Great partnership with TC which is exciting to watch continue develop over the next two years.

Almost certain that Semenyo is gone I would imagine now.

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Happy with that, we have enough youngsters in that position and need to have some guidance for them and who better than someone who seems to have been playing at this level forever.

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The knock on piece is the interesting angle here.

On the basis that we’re unlikely to sell Weimann or Conway, and in view of the contract situation, it now seems nailed on that an acceptable bid sees Semenyo gone. Wells and Conway are first choice up top and with Scott and Andi able to play behind, Antoine seems surplus considering what we’d lose in not selling him now.

It also shows we’re looking to sort the OOC we want to keep, and which are financially viable. If no news on Bentley, Massengo etc we can also expect them gone - not surprising but just crystallises things.

As for NW - totally richly deserved. To change perceptions the way he has through hard work, lack of ego and no little quality is a great story

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25 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Yep. In that video with Scott and Conway that they put out last week, Tommy mentioned how much he'd learnt from Nahki, not just playing together in the U21/3s but from spending most of last season on the bench with him and how professional he was about not playing when he could have sulked and kicked up a stink about it.

We need to put  Nahki on the bench with Semenyo ! 

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Very good news indeed. He’s been like a new signing this season (and towards end of last actually), bringing the best out of our younger players like Conway as well. Arguably now the player we thought we’d signed. 

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LondonBristolian

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2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

The knock on piece is the interesting angle here.

On the basis that we’re unlikely to sell Weimann or Conway, and in view of the contract situation, it now seems nailed on that an acceptable bid sees Semenyo gone. Wells and Conway are first choice up top and with Scott and Andi able to play behind, Antoine seems surplus considering what we’d lose in not selling him now.

It also shows we’re looking to sort the OOC we want to keep, and which are financially viable. If no news on Bentley, Massengo etc we can also expect them gone - not surprising but just crystallises things.

As for NW - totally richly deserved. To change perceptions the way he has through hard work, lack of ego and no little quality is a great story

RE your second paragraph, I think it shows we're starting to make decisions but not necessarily that all decisions have been made. I think you may be right on Bentley and Massengo but I'd not be surprised if decisions our still being made on Dasilva and Kalas based on various factors and we might find out either way on both of those much closer to the end of the season. O'Leary, Vyner and Martin all have options so I imagine there is less of a rush to nail anything down either way with those three either.

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Wow I never expected that!  Just goes to show that you never know how players really feel, I've always thought he never wanted to be here but what do I know!

I think there was a point in time where that was probably true, but 2022 has been a turning point for sure. 

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2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

RE your second paragraph, I think it shows we're starting to make decisions but not necessarily that all decisions have been made. I think you may be right on Bentley and Massengo but I'd not be surprised if decisions our still being made on Dasilva and Kalas based on various factors and we might find out either way on both of those much closer to the end of the season. O'Leary, Vyner and Martin all have options so I imagine there is less of a rush to nail anything down either way with those three either.

Yeah I think I’m assuming Bentley and Massengo are gone. Options will be taken on Vyner and O’Leary (and FWIW Semenyo) but not on Martin.

I can see DaSilva being extended (contract not height although he needs that) - he’s not playing in a position where people pay a premium so reduced terms in line with the market is affordable.

Kalas I have no earthly clue. If he’s fit I’d want to keep him - normally there’s no chance but the injuries have obliterated his wage value in the market so I think he may still be affordable at a drastically reduced level.

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13 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

The knock on piece is the interesting angle here.

On the basis that we’re unlikely to sell Weimann or Conway, and in view of the contract situation, it now seems nailed on that an acceptable bid sees Semenyo gone. Wells and Conway are first choice up top and with Scott and Andi able to play behind, Antoine seems surplus considering what we’d lose in not selling him now.

It also shows we’re looking to sort the OOC we want to keep, and which are financially viable. If no news on Bentley, Massengo etc we can also expect them gone - not surprising but just crystallises things.

As for NW - totally richly deserved. To change perceptions the way he has through hard work, lack of ego and no little quality is a great story

As usual I totally agree.

Just to add someone I trust told me that Nakhi was absolutely brilliant with the first year pros, especially the forwards, always looking to pass on tips & hugely supportive.

I must confess I saw his demeanour as poor body language at the start but I was wrong, firstly he genuinely wants to play, secondly he’s really popular in the dressing room with the players & seen as a bit of a spokesman if they need to raise anything with NP.

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He deserves it, has knuckled down when out of the side and delivered when in it. Seems to have worked well wirh Conway.

It will save a bit on amortisation and presumably a wage reduction.

Otoh he is 32- will be 33 next season and 34 in 2024-25 if still here- at what point will his effectiveness start to wane? Not a reflection on him, happens to all players.

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

He deserves it, has knuckled down when out of the side and delivered when in it. Seems to have worked well wirh Conway.

It will save a bit on amortisation and presumably a wage reduction.

Otoh he is 32- will be 33 next season and 34 in 2024-25 if still here- at what point will his effectiveness start to wane? Not a reflection on him, happens to all players.

Was going to post something similar - given his age I feel slightly uneasy about this. He’s undoubtedly worth a contract on this season’s form, but in2 years time? There’s no point offering a contract extension which costs a similar amount over the longer term, if the player isn’t able to cut it in the future. But on balance I guess it’s a good deal overall

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42 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Football eh, funny old game. From Zero to Hero but well a deserved extension

Maybe I was wrong to say he was our worst ever signing based on age, wage and length of contract

zero to hero hercules GIF

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Was going to post something similar - given his age I feel slightly uneasy about this. He’s undoubtedly worth a contract on this season’s form, but in2 years time? There’s no point offering a contract extension which costs a similar amount over the longer term, if the player isn’t able to cut it in the future. But on balance I guess it’s a good deal overall

I get what you mean but, at the same time, his game is based on instinct and positional awareness rather than pace and physicality. As long as he maintains his basic fitness levels, he's not going to have the same drop-off between 32 and 34 as a player who relies on pace and relentless energy. Plus it sounds like he's a good role model/mentor for younger players so I can see the rationale for thinking he'll still be able to contribute for the next two and a half years.

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30 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

Yeah I think I’m assuming Bentley and Massengo are gone. Options will be taken on Vyner and O’Leary (and FWIW Semenyo) but not on Martin.

I can see DaSilva being extended (contract not height although he needs that) - he’s not playing in a position where people pay a premium so reduced terms in line with the market is affordable.

Kalas I have no earthly clue. If he’s fit I’d want to keep him - normally there’s no chance but the injuries have obliterated his wage value in the market so I think he may still be affordable at a drastically reduced level.

I think that's all a fair assessment. Dasilva is a tricky one - I get the impression he's not quite what Pearson wants in a full-back but, if he is willing to take a wage cut to reflect the current market, he might represent better value than anyone else we can find out there.

I have no idea what I want us to do regarding Kalas. There is no doubt that, on reduced terms and fully fit, he's an asset but I think a lot will have to come down to whether the coaches and physios feel we can get him fit and playing regularly. 

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Quite amusing reading these posts.

2022 - Nahki Wells - Model professional with perfect attitude when out of the team in 2021.

2021 - Nahki Wells - Terrible body language, should make his own way to matches as is endangering others by (apparently) choosing not be be vaccinated. 

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Mr Popodopolous

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It eases my FFP concerns a little too, at least in terms of restriction on our activity. I know that the EFL withdrew approval from Derby and their activation of a year option on Marriott as his wage exceeded an embargo limit about 2 years ago but that's fairly unprecedented.

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20 minutes ago, bbew said:

Quite amusing reading these posts.

2022 - Nahki Wells - Model professional with perfect attitude when out of the team in 2021.

2021 - Nahki Wells - Terrible body language, should make his own way to matches as is endangering others by (apparently) choosing not be be vaccinated. 

I think it demonstrates that - for all the falling out we get on here when we are losing - the vast majority of us are open-minded enough to change our opinion when the facts change. In Wells' first couple of years here, he didn't seem to be gelling with the team. He's worked hard and completely turned it around and people have changed their views accordingly. 

My own view on Wells changed in the win at QPR at the beginning of last season. He came on and - quite aside from his last minute goal - showed an utterly phenomenal level of workrate and commitment. Opportunities remained limited last season but all the evidence suggests he stayed positive and helped younger players who others might see as rivals and not want to assist. And then this season he's taken his chance and been phenomenal. 

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Robbored

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Delighted he’s extended his contract. A model professional and excellent example to the younger guys who regularly mention Nahki in their various interviews.

Lanterne Rouge

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Excellent news IMO. We`re now seeing the Nahki we thought we`d signed way back when because he`s being played in the correct position and consistently. I can`t think of anyone better to help Tommy continue his development for another two years. As others have also said, who else could we have afforded and tempted here?

When we sell Tommy for £20m in two years we will have a lot to thank him for.

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Good news. I’d imagine we’re losing Semenyo in the summer, should he not want to renew. Martin will be off and whilst I see Bell has potential. He probably needs to be loaned out for the season. So just leaves us with Conway and Weimann, so Wells signing is much needed considering we probably wouldn’t be able to bring in someone as good as him. Just need to get a few others tied down and a few sold. Hopefully if we can manage to survive we’ll have the backbone of a half decent team. Just don’t trust the manager to sign the right ones. 

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Could not wait to see the back of his after his missed penalty vs Norwich, just did not seem like he wanted to be here since day one.

 

However, fair play - certainly shows it can be turned around with the right attitude!

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

On FB, seen it suggested was 20 pct lower, Exiled Robin suggested 30 pct too.

Still a decent wedge if the supposed original contract he was on was £20 k a week as rumoured.

Could be a case of Nahki wanting to stay and also realising at his age and without really setting the world a light over the past few season (fair play he has been much improved of late) then he and his agent both probably realise he wouldn’t have had much better offers elsewhere so staying put is the best option for him financially even on reduced terms.

Either way I’m happy with the news, as others have said to replace him with somebody better wouldn’t be realistic with our current financial constraints. It’s a good move by the club for sure.

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He could probably squeeze £2k per week more elsewhere if he and his agent really gave it a go but if he’s happy in the area, family is settled, been sensible with the money he has earned and is enjoying his football it’s an obvious decision to make at this stage of his career.

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1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

Just guess work though isn’t it. Nobody knows 

Correct.

As he was said to be one of our highest two paid players (which is logical as we bought him from a club in the Prem) I think we can safely assume though that it is a significant reduction, as no way would we be paying the sums he was previously on to anyone now.

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1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said:

I get what you mean but, at the same time, his game is based on instinct and positional awareness rather than pace and physicality. As long as he maintains his basic fitness levels, he's not going to have the same drop-off between 32 and 34 as a player who relies on pace and relentless energy. Plus it sounds like he's a good role model/mentor for younger players so I can see the rationale for thinking he'll still be able to contribute for the next two and a half years.

Yep that’s fair. 

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Great news. He's been very good this season with Conway and if he has reduced his wages just to stay then that says a lot about his character

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3 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

He deserves it, has knuckled down when out of the side and delivered when in it. Seems to have worked well wirh Conway.

It will save a bit on amortisation and presumably a wage reduction.

Otoh he is 32- will be 33 next season and 34 in 2024-25 if still here- at what point will his effectiveness start to wane? Not a reflection on him, happens to all players.

In no way comparing but Messi is pushing 36 now and I think we can all agree he did alright some players are basically finished at 33 and others seem to go on for ages another player Jamie Vardy can't say I've seen him slowing down either. 

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4 hours ago, pongo88 said:

Good video, apart from the white socks! Nahki’s form this season, and the new contract begs the question, why wasn’t he getting regular starts last season? 

Because he fell out with the stubborn manager who wanted him vaccinated! 

1 hour ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

I love Nakhi but bloody wish he wasn’t anti vac #moveToPolitics

Why? 

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5 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

I am sure @Mr Popodopolous, or @Davefevs can give us some idea how this fits into the FFP regarding amortisation etc. 

in simple terms:

Amortisation - had £800k left on his deal at start of season, so doing simple maths, halfway through he’s now used up £400k and is now valued at £400k.  Instead if that all being in this season, only £80k will be this season and £160k each of the remaining 2 years.  For this year’s FFP we’ve saved £320k and pushed that into 23/24 and 24/25.

Wages - Richard Gould said players (across clubs not City) were taking on average of a 1/3 pay cut (@And Its Smith).  Weimann too, a 50% paycut allegedly, Baker more than 50% (but with performance clauses).  As for Nahki I reckon his £1.200m p.a. alleged wages have been cut in half.  Let’s not forget half of that has been burned / earned already - £600k, so cutting his wages to £600k p.a. Means he’s forgone £300k this season, for £1.200m over the next 2 years.  I suspect the 2 years was significant.  Like Martin who was offered 1+1 at Derby, preferred the security of 2 years.  So I reckon we’ve saved £300k this year.

So, a total saving of around £600k.  Enough to get a loan player in, or a free transfer and wages.  “Trading” in a different way.

Congrats to Nahki.

*** All numbers are educated guesses / ball-park

5 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

The knock on piece is the interesting angle here.

On the basis that we’re unlikely to sell Weimann or Conway, and in view of the contract situation, it now seems nailed on that an acceptable bid sees Semenyo gone. Wells and Conway are first choice up top and with Scott and Andi able to play behind, Antoine seems surplus considering what we’d lose in not selling him now.

It also shows we’re looking to sort the OOC we want to keep, and which are financially viable. If no news on Bentley, Massengo etc we can also expect them gone - not surprising but just crystallises things.

As for NW - totally richly deserved. To change perceptions the way he has through hard work, lack of ego and no little quality is a great story

I see it more in terms of Chris Martin going, ie one too many “experienced” forwards.

4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

He deserves it, has knuckled down when out of the side and delivered when in it. Seems to have worked well wirh Conway.

It will save a bit on amortisation and presumably a wage reduction.

Otoh he is 32- will be 33 next season and 34 in 2024-25 if still here- at what point will his effectiveness start to wane? Not a reflection on him, happens to all players.

But always available, still quick / quick enough.  It’s a “cheap” way of obtaining a 12-15 goals per season player without too much risk.

4 hours ago, steveybadger said:

Was going to post something similar - given his age I feel slightly uneasy about this. He’s undoubtedly worth a contract on this season’s form, but in2 years time? There’s no point offering a contract extension which costs a similar amount over the longer term, if the player isn’t able to cut it in the future. But on balance I guess it’s a good deal overall

As per reply to Mr P he shows no signs of regressing, and I think there’s a real continuity “thing” in this, especially with Conway and the likelihood Antoine will move in the summer if not January.

4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

On FB, seen it suggested was 20 pct lower, Exiled Robin suggested 30 pct too.

I don’t think we could afford £18-20k per week!  I’m sure he will have taken a big paycut!

3 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

He could probably squeeze £2k per week more elsewhere if he and his agent really gave it a go but if he’s happy in the area, family is settled, been sensible with the money he has earned and is enjoying his football it’s an obvious decision to make at this stage of his career.

Yep, mentioned on an interview a month or so back, that his wife / partner and two boys were settled here.  It was at that point I thought he’d be hanging around.

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12 months ago I wanted him off the wage bill, proved wrong and happy he's signed a new deal on what we expect to be a reduced salary..

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6 minutes ago, M.D said:

12 months ago I wanted him off the wage bill, proved wrong and happy he's signed a new deal on what we expect to be a reduced salary..

The 6/7 players offered contracts are all for less money than currently on.  Nige confirmed earlier.

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