Sack or keep Nigel Pearson

[Sturny]

Let’s have a vote then

Edited December 26, 2022 by Sturny

[Jackson Lamb]

I wouldn’t even vote. The damage is already too much from previous running of the club under Ashton.

If Pearson went. Who would actually improve things with 0 budget to play with? I don’t think there is one.

[Fuber]

My patience has finally run out.

Sorry Nige, it's hasn't worked. The performances are no where near where they need to be.

[Clevedon Red]

Pearson stays we go down simple as. Look at what a difference a change in manager had at WBA. Doesn’t always work though but I’m done with this clown in charge.  

Edited December 26, 2022 by Clevedon Red

[Guest]

Sack but hold out little hope and even less hope of SL selecting anyone any good; thinking SL will go with him where-ever he takes us; bigger changes required imo.

[Banjo Red]

Sack

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

I think he is as good as gone but for me the problem is higher up and has been for the last 2-3 years. I have absolutely no confidence in the right appointment being made with still so much shit to sort out.

[JBFC II]

5 minutes ago, The Coach said:

I wouldn’t even vote. The damage is already too much from previous running of the club under Ashton.

If Pearson went. Who would actually improve things with 0 budget to play with? I don’t think there is one.

Hasn’t Pearson just said there is money to spend this January?

[joe jordans teeth]

Sack him and get LJ back 

Edited December 26, 2022 by joe jordans teeth

[Fuber]

5 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Hasn’t Pearson just said there is money to spend this January?

I'm fully expecting one of Semenyo/Scott and/or Massengo to go.

[Selred]

Yes he’s had no budget, and shifted lots of dead wood on. He’s even done well in terms of bringing the academy kids through. But tactically he’s been dire, we have no style of play anymore, he’s playing players out of position to fit a system which doesn’t even prove fruitful. It’s not enjoyable watching City, I’m not saying we are a team who should be in the play offs, but we shouldn’t be 1 point off relegation either. 
 

Time to go, allow a younger progressive coach to come in and have the Jan window. 

[formerly known as ivan]

Get Roy Keane in!

[Atticus]

Sack.

Refusing to change formation. Playing players out of position. Not playing players he signs.

Defensively we show zero improvement week in week out.

Really woeful imo. 

[Negan]

At this point I’d rather see what Jason Euell can do. Had enough of this now. 

[Andrew_V1]

Has to go.

yes we have issues and limitations with budget as do many clubs, but we desperately need some energy and positivity injected into the club

Absolutely fed up of hearing ‘we are the way we are let’s find a solution’ on repeat.

[Ivorguy]

9 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

I think he is as good as gone but for me the problem is higher up and has been for the last 2-3 years. I have absolutely no confidence in the right appointment being made with still so much shit to sort out.

2/3 years? More like 2 decades

[AshtonGreat]

3 minutes ago, Fuber said:

I'm fully expecting one of Semenyo/Scott and/or Massengo to go.

 

Edited December 26, 2022 by AshtonGreat

[Keepers Ball]

16 minutes ago, The Coach said:

I wouldn’t even vote. The damage is already too much from previous running of the club under Ashton.

If Pearson went. Who would actually improve things with 0 budget to play with? I don’t think there is one.

Then we've nothing go lose. Get him gone

[And Its Smith]

12 minutes ago, Fuber said:

My patience has finally run out.

Sorry Nige, it's hasn't worked. The performances are no where near where they need to be.

Would another manager get more from this group? It’s a simple question. If you think yes then sack is needed. If you think no then keep. 

[Mihai]

Sack the man, he is not good enough for this job.

[Ivorguy]

4 minutes ago, Fuber said:

I'm fully expecting one of Semenyo/Scott and/or Massengo to go.

Today’s ‘performance’ has lowered the transfer fees for our ‘star’players

[Numero Uno]

One thing is for sure if that (Management and Playing) team of pussies show that on Thursday he will be hanging on by a thread at best. Cos Millwall will literally maul us if they don’t stand up and be counted.

[BasSavage88]

[Agard Days Night]

100% get rid

[Northern Red]

2 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Today’s ‘performance’ has lowered the transfer fees for our ‘star’players

No it hasn't you hysterical old man.

[Supersonic Robin]

Just now, Negan said:

At this point I’d rather see what Jason Euell can do. Had enough of this now. 

I'm probably more frustrated with Euell and Flemming than I am with Pearson.

At least Pearson holds responsibility for some off-field matters too, and seems to have made progress with them. By comparison, the coaches have seemingly offered little to nothing.

[kmpowell]

[Ivorguy]

Back to our comfort zone of Division3, here we come.

Until we have a proper owner and proper Board we will not get the quality of player or coaches to take us up, keep us there, and then to push for promotion

In recent years two chances, squandered by the owner

1 investing inGary’s side at Xmas to get us over the line 

2 Not allowing personal pique to deny Cotts to give it a go in Championship in first season up
 

[marcofisher]

After the appointment of Holden, I know we would bring in an even worse appointment. So it’s a keep for me.

[Ivorguy]

2 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

No it hasn't you hysterical old man.

Thank you for your inaccurate and deeply ageist comment.  

[Bs4Red]

23 minutes ago, The Coach said:

I wouldn’t even vote. The damage is already too much from previous running of the club under Ashton.

If Pearson went. Who would actually improve things with 0 budget to play with? I don’t think there is one.

It’s honestly mental, people like you will let him get away with anything. It’s been an absolute shitshow. 
He is getting nothing near close to watch this squad is capable of. Far too quick to give him an easy ride. He has made absolute zero improvement on the pitch and funnily enough that’s his job. 
 

Should have gone over a year ago. Enough is fully enough now. 

[Negan]

3 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I'm probably more frustrated with Euell and Flemming than I am with Pearson.

At least Pearson holds responsibility for some off-field matters too, and seems to have made progress with them. By comparison, the coaches have seemingly offered little to nothing.

I’m not saying I want Euell. I’ve just got to the point now where I’d rather see him than Pearson in charge. Obviously we need someone better. 

[Firstyardleftinbed]

7 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Sack.

Refusing to change formation. Playing players out of position. Not playing players he signs.

Defensively we show zero improvement week in week out.

Really woeful imo. 

This is the real worry for me. The shape of the team is all over the place at the moment and he's not willing to change formation to suit the players we have available. Also, as much as the players have been poor he seems too stubborn to acknowledge he's also making mistakes.

Still keep for me but only just, if the next couple of games dont go our way I think he's gone.

[Super]

First time I've said yes. Based on last 2 games he's lost the dressing room. Lack of fight today was unacceptable.

[KegCity]

Got to go. Players look clueless as to what they’re doing and Pearson doesn’t look like he has any idea how to change things. Players hiding behind the opposition to dodge getting the ball. Pathetic. Got one midfielder who passes the ball forward and he’s been exiled to the under 23s for no real reason.

No idea why he perseveres with 3-5-2. Been using it for 3 years and been awful for 3 years. Need someone new to come in and bring some new ideas.

[Jackson Lamb]

Just now, Bs4Red said:

It’s honestly mental, people like you will let him get away with anything. It’s been an absolute shitshow. 
He is getting nothing near close to watch this squad is capable of. Far too quick to give him an easy ride. He has made absolute zero improvement on the pitch and funnily enough that’s his job. 
 

Should have gone over a year ago. Enough is fully enough now. 

People like me? Who actually understand where the fault is and where it started? Is Pearson to blame for everything? No. Has he made mistakes and deserves to burden some of the blame? Yes.

What is this squad capable of? Because I’ve heard this tune for about 4 years and we’ve got nowhere. Because this squad is simply not good enough. 
 

This is all de ja vu from the Millen, Mcinnes era rtc. We’ve been here before and made the same mistakes.

Reality is. It’s going to be a miracle to remain  in this division until we clear FFP and can start making actual decent investments and not make the same mistakes when backing Johnson. 

 

 

[Supersonic Robin]

Just now, Negan said:

I’m not saying I want Euell. I’ve just got to the point now where I’d rather see him than Pearson in charge. Obviously we need someone better. 

Fair enough mate. But, no matter how bad things get, lets not go for bloody Euell.

I imagine there were people saying "I'm so sick of LJ, let's give Holden a go - it can't be any worse". Alas, it was much worse.....

[joe jordans teeth]

14 minutes ago, Fuber said:

I'm fully expecting one of Semenyo/Scott and/or Massengo to go.

You will only get massengo off the wage bill,no fee,semenyo maybe around 3-4 and Scott the same

[BCFCGav]

Appreciate the difficult conditions he’s worked under but the club comes first, and we are at greater risk of relegation than last season. Time for a change.

Also - we’re not the harrowing pond life prospect some on here think we are, many managers would be very happy to be employed here - even with some money constraints. 

[Spike]

I want to say sack but until the summer whoever would have taken the job would have been forced into a shit situation. Too many players on high wages but not worth them. 

We're just approaching the first of two transfer windows that will make our break us. 

Pearson has been tied down to what we already have, he's not been able to do much in the way of transfers and he's been unable to shift the overpaid. 

If we sack Pearson tomorrow we're bringing in a new manager who won't have time to assess the changes needed. I feel if we were to let Pearson go out should have been months ago and now we need to let him have the January window and see what he can do if players are let go. 

The other issue is that sacking him will cost us money and make FFP harder again, maybe even tip us over. We may be in a situation where we can't sack him without making it worse for ourselves. 

[Gert Mare]

It was always going to be a struggle for us this season. Our hands are tied. Sacking the manager will only serve to destabilise the club even further. 

It’s going to take 2-3 years to sort out the Ashton / Johnson mess. 
 

[Bs4Red]

1 minute ago, The Coach said:

People like me? Who actually understand where the fault is and where it started? Is Pearson to blame for everything? No. Has he made mistakes and deserves to burden some of the blame? Yes.

What is this squad capable of? Because I’ve heard this tune for about 4 years and we’ve got nowhere. Because this squad is simply not good enough. 
 

This is all de ja vu from the Millen, Mcinnes era rtc. We’ve been here before and made the same mistakes.

Reality is. It’s going to be a miracle to remain  in this division until we clear FFP and can start making actual decent investments and not make the same mistakes when backing Johnson. 

 

 

Ridiculous statement, we got a front 3 with loads of goals. He’s literally invested in his own defence and now doesn’t fancy them. 
 

The bloke gets a free ride because he’s cut the budget. What a hero give him keys to the city. 
 

We are in no better position on the field now than we were under Holden. 

Why can’t we defend set pieces? Why do we constantly concede such pathetic goals? 
 

You’re going to tell me that’s FFP fault too. 

[Bar BS3]

30 minutes ago, The Coach said:

I wouldn’t even vote. The damage is already too much from previous running of the club under Ashton.

If Pearson went. Who would actually improve things with 0 budget to play with? I don’t think there is one.

Someone with some sort of tactical nouse who can send the team out with some sort of game plan, would help. 

[GlastonburyRed]

I think hold onto him, hope & pray we don't get relegated, and then re-assess in the summer.

[joe jordans teeth]

15 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Would another manager get more from this group? It’s a simple question. If you think yes then sack is needed. If you think no then keep. 

It’s a easy answer and it’s no,that’s before the pay off we would give big Nige and then the payment you would need to get the man you want,unless you went for a man who is out of work of course 

[joe jordans teeth]

4 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

Someone with some sort of tactical nouse who can send the team out with some sort of game plan, would help. 

Like a Warnock 

[Supersonic Robin]

3 minutes ago, Bs4Red said:

Ridiculous statement, we got a front 3 with loads of goals. He’s literally invested in his own defence and now doesn’t fancy them. 
 

The bloke gets a free ride because he’s cut the budget. What a hero give him keys to the city. 
 

We are in no better position on the field now than we were under Holden. 

Why can’t we defend set pieces? Why do we constantly concede such pathetic goals? 
 

You’re going to tell me that’s FFP fault too. 

As frustrating/poor as we can be at times, we're still significantly better on the pitch than we were under Holden.

Admittedly, that's more of an indictment of Holden than it is a compliment of Pearson, but let's not forget just how bad we were during that period.....

[joe jordans teeth]

23 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Today’s ‘performance’ has lowered the transfer fees for our ‘star’players

Maybe they should turn up then 

[JBFC II]

2 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

As frustrating/poor as we can be at times, we're still significantly better on the pitch than we were under Holden.

Admittedly, that's more of an indictment of Holden than it is a compliment of Pearson, but let's not forget just how bad we were during that period.....

Are we?

Holden was sacked with a 1.44 points per game record. Pearson is currently on 1.09, which is only 0.04 higher than O’Driscoll and 0.06 higher than Mcinnes. If anything, Holden was an improvement on what we’re seeing currently

[W-S-M Seagull]

42 minutes ago, The Coach said:

I wouldn’t even vote. The damage is already too much from previous running of the club under Ashton.

If Pearson went. Who would actually improve things with 0 budget to play with? I don’t think there is one.

This is the reality of the situation we are. 

Not even Pep or Klopp could produce much more. 

Until we actually have a budget to work with, this is how it is for the foreseeable. 

[aa_bcfc]

43 minutes ago, The Coach said:

I wouldn’t even vote. The damage is already too much from previous running of the club under Ashton.

If Pearson went. Who would actually improve things with 0 budget to play with? I don’t think there is one.

WBA changed their manager and with the same players turned it round. It can be done. 

[Jackson Lamb]

12 minutes ago, Bs4Red said:

Ridiculous statement, we got a front 3 with loads of goals. He’s literally invested in his own defence and now doesn’t fancy them. 
 

The bloke gets a free ride because he’s cut the budget. What a hero give him keys to the city. 
 

We are in no better position on the field now than we were under Holden. 

Why can’t we defend set pieces? Why do we constantly concede such pathetic goals? 
 

You’re going to tell me that’s FFP fault too. 

Because we don’t have the money to improve on what is a poor defence and midfield built on free signings. It’s really not hard to see.

I don’t mind if Pearson goes. But if you think the grass is greener and we’re going to suddenly start becoming a top 10 side without investment. You’re in for a shock. 

Just now, aa_bcfc said:

WBA changed their manager and with the same players turned it round. It can be done. 

Better squad of players for a start. Same way Forest had prior to Cooper.

[Spike]

4 minutes ago, JBFC II said:

Are we?

Holden was sacked with a 1.44 points per game record. Pearson is currently on 1.09, which is only 0.04 higher than O’Driscoll and 0.06 higher than Mcinnes. If anything, Holden was an improvement on what we’re seeing currently

Holden was sacked before his number could balance out and it would have. 

All this stat does is prove that the issues are not with the manager but a lot deeper. That's a lot of different managers and the only connection is the club itself. 

[KegCity]

3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

This is the reality of the situation we are. 

Not even Pep or Klopp could produce much more. 

Until we actually have a budget to work with, this is how it is for the foreseeable. 

You genuinely think no other manager could get better performances out of that side? The football was atrocious and you can see there’s no confidence in the side. It’s not about transfers it’s about coaching, there’s no organisation at the back and we look clueless going forward. It’s not a lack of quality it’s a lack of coaching.

[Bas's perfect hattrick]

Sack.

I'm not normally one for changing managers, but Pearson is taking us down. He comes across as a stubborn bully and I think his style of management is outdated

[Supersonic Robin]

Just now, JBFC II said:

Are we?

Holden was sacked with a 1.44 points per game record. Pearson is currently on 1.09, which is only 0.04 higher than O’Driscoll and 0.06 higher than Mcinnes. If anything, Holden was an improvement on what we’re seeing currently

I don't agree. Holden's PPG may be better, but that's due to a few (possibly flukey) wins at the start of his reign, and the fact that we were fairly quick to get rid of him when he was, IMO, leading us to relegation.

At the end of that season under Holden, we had the worst xG in the league, worst xG against in the league, and we smashed the record for least shots in the Championship season. Performance wise, we were the worst team in the league - bar none. We were awful at everything.

Granted, we've not been amazing under Pearson, but we've been better. We've not been the worst team in the league. There have been some positives (e.g. our attack has been fairly good). We've generally been competitive. in games. Pearson has been a clear improvement on Holden.

[Fuber]

31 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

Today’s ‘performance’ has lowered the transfer fees for our ‘star’players

As Tesco say, every little helps!

[Tin Soldier]

21 minutes ago, The Coach said:

People like me? Who actually understand where the fault is and where it started? Is Pearson to blame for everything? No. Has he made mistakes and deserves to burden some of the blame? Yes.

What is this squad capable of? Because I’ve heard this tune for about 4 years and we’ve got nowhere. Because this squad is simply not good enough. 
 

This is all de ja vu from the Millen, Mcinnes era rtc. We’ve been here before and made the same mistakes.

Reality is. It’s going to be a miracle to remain  in this division until we clear FFP and can start making actual decent investments and not make the same mistakes when backing Johnson. 

 

 

If you sell all the family silver (like Ashton & SL did), in the end you are left with peanuts.

[Major Isewater]

If Pearson goes don’t be surprised to see a promotion from within the ranks. Fleming, King…

Where’s the money coming from to bring in any new blood? 
I think NP will get his window and hopefully press on with a more focused squad. Too many players out of form at the moment , I can’t believe it’s just a coincidence. 

[Fuber]

37 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Get Roy Keane in!

Rather him than Scott Parker tbh.

Keane would keep it simple, effective, and if anyone doesn't give 100% I'd rather not be in their show.

[ORANGE500]

23 minutes ago, Bs4Red said:

It’s honestly mental, people like you will let him get away with anything. It’s been an absolute shitshow. 
He is getting nothing near close to watch this squad is capable of. Far too quick to give him an easy ride. He has made absolute zero improvement on the pitch and funnily enough that’s his job. 
 

Should have gone over a year ago. Enough is fully enough now. 

Who is consistently good in this squad? Nobody I can think of, the squad is bang average at best having said that I agree Pearson's time is up but whoever takes over needs to have some money to  change the personnel as much as possible because this lot are simply not good enough.

[JBFC II]

3 minutes ago, Spike said:

Holden was sacked before his number could balance out and it would have. 

All this stat does is prove that the issues are not with the manager but a lot deeper. That's a lot of different managers and the only connection is the club itself. 

Perhaps, but the number is still higher and certainly doesn’t point to things being a lot worse under Holden. 
 

Ultimately, Holden was relieved of his duties at the right time, and unless Pearson can start winning a few games it’s going to get to the point where he will have to be as well

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 minutes ago, KegCity said:

You genuinely think no other manager could get better performances out of that side? The football was atrocious and you can see there’s no confidence in the side. It’s not about transfers it’s about coaching, there’s no organisation at the back and we look clueless going forward. It’s not a lack of quality it’s a lack of coaching.

That is of course your opinion. 

Maybe a new manager would bring a short term uplift in performances and results. But that's about it. 

Even the best coaches in the world can not turn average players into great players. 

First half today we played quite well. 2nd half we were bad. 

[B-Rizzle]

I respect the work Pearson has done to lower the wage bill in a big way, some of the attacking football we have played (at times!) under is tenure, and the emphasis he has placed on giving youth a chance.

But, imo he hasn’t done enough to improve the players we have or make the current squad better individually and as a team. He has constantly reminded us of the lack of money available but the biggest part of his job is to coach and prepare the team tactically to win football matches. I don’t think this is his strength. I also find the public lambasting of his signings strange on a number of levels.

Within our current financial restrictions I strongly feel we need a Head Coach/ Manager who can work with the group he’s given to maximise their potential. An older school manager is not the skill set we currently require.

For that reason, I’m Pearson out. 

[JBFC II]

5 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

I don't agree. Holden's PPG may be better, but that's due to a few (possibly flukey) wins at the start of his reign, and the fact that we were fairly quick to get rid of him when he was, IMO, leading us to relegation.

At the end of that season under Holden, we had the worst xG in the league, worst xG against in the league, and we smashed the record for least shots in the Championship season. Performance wise, we were the worst team in the league - bar none. We were awful at everything.

Granted, we've not been amazing under Pearson, but we've been better. We've not been the worst team in the league. There have been some positives (e.g. our attack has been fairly good). We've generally been competitive. in games. Pearson has been a clear improvement on Holden.

Has he though?

Considering the fanfare he brought with him, the experience he has and the contacts he has in the game, we are no better off than we were when Holden left. 
 

Pearson will presumably get the January window to improve things but tactically, considering the calibre of manager, there’s no ‘clear improvement’ that I can see on the pitch

[Bs4Red]

6 minutes ago, The Coach said:

Because we don’t have the money to improve on what is a poor defence and midfield built on free signings. It’s really not hard to see.

I don’t mind if Pearson goes. But if you think the grass is greener and we’re going to suddenly start becoming a top 10 side without investment. You’re in for a shock. 

Better squad of players for a start. Same way Forest had prior to Cooper.

I don’t think we will be a top 10 team but someone who can get us playing and not 1 in 4 games. 
 

He literally invested in the defence. Why are you saying free transfers when it wasn’t? 

[spudski]

12 minutes ago, The Coach said:

People like me? Who actually understand where the fault is and where it started? Is Pearson to blame for everything? No. Has he made mistakes and deserves to burden some of the blame? Yes.

What is this squad capable of? Because I’ve heard this tune for about 4 years and we’ve got nowhere. Because this squad is simply not good enough. 
 

This is all de ja vu from the Millen, Mcinnes era rtc. We’ve been here before and made the same mistakes.

Reality is. It’s going to be a miracle to remain  in this division until we clear FFP and can start making actual decent investments and not make the same mistakes when backing Johnson. 

 

 

I understand your rhetoric and I agree to a lot of it.

However...NP has said this season, that this squad is capable of being near/in the play off positions. 

If he thinks that, then who is at fault? 

Why aren't they playing to the ability that NP believes they are capable of? 

Is it the players, the manager, the coaching, the tactics, injuries, players chosen to play etc etc...or a combination of everything?

Getting rid of NP right now is probably the worst time of the season. 

Deals for January are already probably lined up.

Bringing in anyone new now would probably scupper all of that. Plus Gould is leaving at the end of January. We don't know if the club has a replacement yet.

There are so many scenarios to think about outside of just replacing NP. 

However...we are in a relegation battle right now. 

And we are likely to be in the bottom 3 by Mid January. 

 

 

 

[WessexPest]

Get rid. But, until Lansdown finds a buyer nothing is likely to get better.

[Dr Balls]

I agree that things are very bad at the moment and Pearson gives no sign of them getting better any time soon. The problem is that anyone brought in now would still be stuck with the same problems and it would be a huge gamble that they would achieve any more given the FFP restrictions etc. I hate to say it but it’s a “keep” for me and then we just have to see where we are come May. Not what many want to hear but I have feeling that will be SL’s logic as well.

[CheddarReds]

I'm in the keep camp. 

Could be worse, did anyone just listen to Barton on radio Bris? Vomit inducing.