slartibartfast Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 TWO disgusting decisions from VAR/ref ,.Why can't they get it right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Fernandes annoys the shit out of me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrizzler Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, Red Army 75 said: Fernandes annoys the shit out of me He's a pain in the arse, would love to see someone stick one on him! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 6 hours ago, cidered abroad said: It will probably be a poor match. Why? Because it's probably the first time this season that either side has played a match kicking off at 3 o'clock in the afternoon!!! I remember it was also played on the first Saturday in May which marked the official end of the English football season. And listening to it on the radio was so magical for a four or five year old yet to see a live game other than in the local playing field. Today, I'll take my dog for a walk on the beach. Both had 3pm kick offs in the last few weeks to be fair 6 hours ago, Port Said Red said: I really don't dislike Manchester City at all, the two ties we have had against them their players and fans have been nothing but respectful, and their Manager is an absolute gentleman. Must have forgotten about Sane then? Sure he was goading the City fans when he scored / City scored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 How can VAR ignore wreckless challenges though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Schmeichel makes the excellent point that changing handball to be "common sense" is just setting up a hundred conversations about what "common sense" is. You need objectivity in the Laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 VAR isn’t the problem - the handball rule is. BBC panel unanimously saying the decision was correct but the rule is stupid . Hear hear. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, MarcusX said: Both had 3pm kick offs in the last few weeks to be fair Must have forgotten about Sane then? Sure he was goading the City fans when he scored / City scored And I remember Aguero chasing after him, telling him off and apologising to the City fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, ExiledAjax said: Schmeichel makes the excellent point that changing handball to be "common sense" is just setting up a hundred conversations about what "common sense" is. You need objectivity in the Laws. I disagree - the rule should once again include intent, and the ref should subjectively judge on intent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Fernandes annoys the shit out of me Why do the refs never tell him to **** off though? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: I can see why, by the letter of the law, the Grealish incident is a penalty. It's arguable that you have to raise your hands when you jump, but do you have to raise them that high and in that position? I'm not sure. It's soft yes, but I can see how it can be brought within the law. I'm also not sure the incident on De Bruyne was either careless, reckless or dangerous, so I see why no penalty was awarded there. I think both incidents are arguable either way though and suspect you'd get disagreement in any room. Two difficult decisions when you consider the precise wording of the relevant laws. VAR just enforces those laws. It's IFAB not PGMOL you should rail against if you don't like that Grealish penalty. Why does it need to be careless, reckless or dangerous to be a penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: I can see why, by the letter of the law, the Grealish incident is a penalty. It's arguable that you have to raise your hands when you jump, but do you have to raise them that high and in that position? I'm not sure. It's soft yes, but I can see how it can be brought within the law. I'm also not sure the incident on De Bruyne was either careless, reckless or dangerous, so I see why no penalty was awarded there. I think both incidents are arguable either way though and suspect you'd get disagreement in any room. Two difficult decisions when you consider the precise wording of the relevant laws. VAR just enforces those laws. It's IFAB not PGMOL you should rail against if you don't like that Grealish penalty. Everyone on here and every pundit has said the same thing. By the letter of the law yes/maybe but the law needs changing yet you think his hand shouldn’t be there? Are you being serious? Honestly? Have you ever jumped for a header whilst twisting? Absolute nonsense I’m afraid and almost smacks of having a differing opinion for the sake of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: It’s either complete and utter incompetence or something else…….. Its something else Said it for years If this was the Italian cup final we would all be saying it is corrupt as duck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, Leveller said: VAR isn’t the problem - the handball rule is. BBC panel unanimously saying the decision was correct but the rule is stupid . Hear hear. Yes, they've covered it well, although didn't quite nail the nuance around "unnatural". The offence is making your body "unnaturally bigger". A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. So the discussion shouldn't be around what is an "unnatural position" for Grealish's hand, rather around whether it was fair to have his hand in that position when making his body "unnaturally bigger"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: And I remember Aguero chasing after him, telling him off and apologising to the City fans. That is true, I’ve always loved Aguero. 1 minute ago, Leveller said: I disagree - the rule should once again include intent, and the ref should subjectively judge on intent. How do you judge intent? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, ExiledAjax said: Yes, they've covered it well, although didn't quite nail the nuance around "unnatural". The offence is making your body "unnaturally bigger". A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. So the discussion shouldn't be around what is an "unnatural position" for Grealish's hand, rather around whether it was fair to have his hand in that position when making his body "unnaturally bigger"? He jumped for a ball and that’s where his hand ended up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 22 minutes ago, cityexile said: I thought that should have been a pen for City. Not getting the rub of these. If their's was a pen , the City one deffo was ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 The law is there but how can it be interpreted so differently by so many officials? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Yes, they've covered it well, although didn't quite nail the nuance around "unnatural". The offence is making your body "unnaturally bigger". A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. So the discussion shouldn't be around what is an "unnatural position" for Grealish's hand, rather around whether it was fair to have his hand in that position when making his body "unnaturally bigger"? In my view the law was written to decide there was intent, without saying there was intent. So why not just leave the ref to decide whether the player was intending to cheat/handball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Schmeichel makes the excellent point that changing handball to be "common sense" is just setting up a hundred conversations about what "common sense" is. You need objectivity in the Laws. So, ball touches hand: free kick/pen. End of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, Numero Uno said: He jumped for a ball and that’s where his hand ended up. In which case his hand is there as a consequence of the jump and so he's justified in having his hand there, and it shouldn't be a penalty, so everyone saying it is is wrong. So in answer to your other quote of mine, that's the other argument. But as VAR and the pundits and geniuses on here say it is a penalty you have to assume that his hand is considered not to be justified in being there. So it's not me that doesn't know how to jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, MarcusX said: That is true, I’ve always loved Aguero. How do you judge intent? Easy. We’re all actually doing it and deciding there wasn’t. Aren’t we?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, Bristol Oil Services said: So, ball touches hand: free kick/pen. End of. If you don't want endless debates about intent, malice, justifiable hand position etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, Leveller said: In my view the law was written to decide there was intent, without saying there was intent. So why not just leave the ref to decide whether the player was intending to cheat/handball? Apparently the law is being changed next season. Go figure. It seems like the apparent “nuance” being used (bullshit is another term) will be cancelled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Bristol Oil Services said: So, ball touches hand: free kick/pen. End of. The worst possible solution. IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said: In which case his hand is there as a consequence of the jump and so he's justified in having his hand there, and it shouldn't be a penalty, so everyone saying it is is wrong. So in answer to your other quote of mine, that's the other argument. But as VAR and the pundits and geniuses on here say it is a penalty you have to assume that his hand is considered not to be justified in being there. So it's not me that doesn't know how to jump. You know how to jump and every pro in the BBC studio doesn’t by the sound of it……the law is being changed. I wonder why? They know the law is crap even if it was interpreted correctly today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 You jump without raising your arms, you are going to get knocked the **** out. Anyone who has played the game knows this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedorDead BCFC Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) Who is going to play in John Stones position if we went the new Pep formation 2-1 Haha he’s done it again Edited June 3, 2023 by RedorDead BCFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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