Millwall away match thread

[MarcusX]

1 hour ago, One Team said:

Possibly yes. You never know, if to a man we stand and clap could be a Millwall love in!

In my 32 years watching City I’ve never known us share a stand with Millwall though so will be amazed if the game passes off without incident. 

We have at AG, in the east end after it was re-opened, and the millwall fans tried to get across the netting and some spilled down to the pitch to get round if I remember correctly

[ooRya]

1 hour ago, Piccolo said:

Millwall fan here, and former writer for the history article for the match day programme.

I can confirm, Millwall have never been relegated from the Football League. Our last spell in the bottom tier was back in 1965. Our lowest ever finish in the four-tier format was 9^th in 1958/59. The club did have to sadly apply for re-election in 1950, having finished 22^nd in the Third Division (South).

Indeed, as you can see, the post-war period was the worst in Millwall’s history. This is made even more heart-breaking by the fact that it followed the most promising period in the club’s story. Between the two world wars, Millwall were one of the best supported clubs in the entire country. The Den was at the

 

Enjoyed reading that, thanks for taking the time to write it up.

[8 men had a dream]

5 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Correct. The two tier North Stand. How it will be split I dunno.

I understand it- the sad and untimely passing of their chairman, want as many fans in the ground to pay tribute..I would say that our restrictions at Ashton Gate are off by the charts by comparison.

They:

*Usually cannot sell the Lower Tier v many opponents for alleged safety reasons. (Norwich seem to get it often or some of it).

*Have a separate walkway for away fans, which btw will be unavailable Saturday due to strikes iirc.

Interesting review which references Point 2 a bit.

https://groundhopperguides.com/seeing-a-game-at-millwall-fc/

"Have a separate walkway for away fans, which btw will be unavailable Saturday due to strikes iirc." what does this mean please?

Is the overland at South Bermondsey not available tomorrow?

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 minute ago, 8 men had a dream said:

"Have a separate walkway for away fans, which btw will be unavailable Saturday due to strikes iirc." what does this mean please?

Is the overland at South Bermondsey not available tomorrow?

I will look into this but I believe there are strikes affecting South Bermondsey, if so then these may affect things and apologies if so I have jumped the gun, walkway wise.

Edited August 11, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

@8 men had a dream

https://www.millwallfc.co.uk//news/2023/august/07/train-travel-update-for-millwall-s-august-home-matches/

Could the walkway be available even if industrial action means trains will not serve South Bermondsey?

[phantom]

1 hour ago, sugarwray said:

Head to head according to the Official Site, We have beaten Millwall 37 times. Millwall have lost to us 27 times. 

 

Our website is continually an embarrassment 

I never understand why they show the records for both clubs as obviously - though not in our media teams eyes) always opposite 

[phantom]

8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I will look into this but I believe there are strikes affecting South Bermondsey, if so then these may affect things and apologies if so I have jumped the gun, walkway wise.

The walkway isn't unique to the station, it leads to the road under it

10 minutes ago, 8 men had a dream said:

"Have a separate walkway for away fans, which btw will be unavailable Saturday due to strikes iirc." what does this mean please?

Is the overland at South Bermondsey not available tomorrow?

No

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, phantom said:

The walkway isn't unique to the station, it leads to the road under it

No

Thanks.

Right so the station has some kinda industrial action but the walkway still available? I've been twice so I should remember really but was a few years back.

[phantom]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Thanks.

Right so the station has some kinda industrial action but the walkway still available? I've been twice so I should remember really but was a few years back.

Yeah 

But unless you are heading in that direction no real reason to use it 

[Piccolo]

South Bermondsey is not closed as such, it is more that due to industrial action there will be no trains stopping there circa two hours before or after the match. I think this because the platform gets so busy even with regular trains running; that if the service is cut due to lack of staff, fewer trains running would cause chaos on that platform. Therefore it is easier just to pause the service, so people find other routes: Bermondsey / Surrey Docks / Canada Water / New Cross. 
 

I think this is where a lot of confusion has arisen. Many Millwall fans will probably still use South Bermondsey to get to the ground early. You just cannot jump on a train at London Bridge at 2pm now, after having a drink. If you are going to use South Bermondsey you need to be prepared to get to the ground early. Check National Rail for cut offs. It is the same going home. Wait around a fair while or walk to one of the other stations. 
 

The walkway is always open. As locals use it on non match days. However, as someone has said, it makes no real odds in this situation. If you are coming from Bermondsey way, you can kinda of use it as a cut through, saving about a minute maybe. Most Bristol City fans will be coming from Surrey Docks (Quays) way (the area used for filming Football Factory - if you have watched that film you may recognise the railway arches etc). The opposite side to the walkway. 

[Jerseybean]

Thank you Piccolo and others I stand corrected, Millwall have never been relegated from the Football League. 

[Jerseybean]

Rowett pre match https://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/11/gary-rowett-looks-forward-to-millwall-v-bristol-city/

Their OS match preview: https://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/2023/august/11/preview---millwall-v-bristol-city/

[Son of Fred]

5 hours ago, ChrisBW said:

Need to compete physically

Is that on, or off the pitch

[pongo88]

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Edited August 11, 2023 by pongo88

[Piccolo]

20 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

Thank you Piccolo and others I stand corrected, Millwall have never been relegated from the Football League. 

No worries. I wonder how you got that idea. Like I said, Millwall did have to apply for re-election in 1950, after finishing 22nd in the Third Division South. 

Our application was happily accepted by all clubs… remember, this was when clubs had to share gate receipts equally. Millwall, despite finishing  22nd, averaged 20,753. Some impressive gates at The Den were…

32,497 v Torquay United

30,005 v Crystal Palace

27,012 v Walsall

26,158 v Watford - whilst rock bottom and Watford in 10th! 

Funny enough, one of our few wins that season was against Bristol City. A 3-1 victory in front of 23,875 at The Den. The return match saw Bristol City get a 2-1 win in front of 16,331.

[RedRock]

3 hours ago, MarcusX said:

We have at AG, in the east end after it was re-opened, and the millwall fans tried to get across the netting and some spilled down to the pitch to get round if I remember correctly

Millwall regularly ‘shared’ stands, normally on an unauthorised basis, back in the day!

Rather amusingly they tied to ‘share’ The Dolman, while some of ours tried to ‘share’ the away pen in the Park End at a match in the early 80’s. Didn’t end well for either. 

 

[Malago]

Another stat to add to list is Millwall are most played against league opponents.

[phantom]

Interesting video released by Millwall this afternoon, hopefully we don't get to witness them getting ignored tomorrow, but if previous visits are anything to go by..... 

 

 

[Piccolo]

27 minutes ago, phantom said:

Interesting video released by Millwall this afternoon, hopefully we don't get to witness them getting ignored tomorrow, but if previous visits are anything to go by..... 

 

 

We certainly have our idiots at Millwall, but it isn’t quite as ‘black and white’ as outsiders tend to think. 

Some of Millwall’s most respected hooligans have been of Black and Turkish ethnicity. One is now a relatively famous actor, highlighted in the ‘famous fans’ section of the original post. And this continues to this day. The club also attracts many everyday fans from diverse backgrounds… have a look around tomorrow, now that you do not have to be herded from the station direct to the away end.

And as already mentioned, Millwall pioneered the professionalisation of female football back in the 1980s with the Millwall Lionesses. An affiliation we are very proud of. Indeed, it is because of my nan that I am a Millwall fan. It was her who dragged my grandad down The Den and got him hooked just after the war. Her and my aunt Vera used to be regulars back then.

Furthermore, yes much of the fan base is very proud of our armed forces & pro monarchy, but there has always been another dimension to Millwall. People, even some of our fans, forget how pro union and socialist many of the dockers were. And Millwall fans are credited by the Socialist Worker paper for helping defeat the NF in the Battle of Lewisham in 1977 (look it up). 

As a club, we reflect our surroundings… inner city London has its problems, and yes you will find some very nasty people, but you will find lots of brilliant and good people too, from all kinds of backgrounds. I have always argued Millwall are far more Only Fools & Horses than Football Factory, but one of those characterisations is probably easier for people to see from the outside & certainly sells more papers & attracts more clicks.  

 

 

Edited August 11, 2023 by Piccolo

[Flagon]

Ok who is heading over already in a Thatchers Uber

[Apple]

1 hour ago, Piccolo said:

We certainly have our idiots at Millwall, but it isn’t quite as ‘black and white’ as outsiders tend to think. 

Some of Millwall’s most respected hooligans have been of Black and Turkish ethnicity. One is now a relatively famous actor, highlighted in the ‘famous fans’ section of the original post. And this continues to this day. The club also attracts many everyday fans from diverse backgrounds… have a look around tomorrow, now that you do not have to be herded from the station direct to the away end.

And as already mentioned, Millwall pioneered the professionalisation of female football back in the 1980s with the Millwall Lionesses. An affiliation we are very proud of. Indeed, it is because of my nan that I am a Millwall fan. It was her who dragged my grandad down The Den and got him hooked just after the war. Her and my aunt Vera used to be regulars back then.

Furthermore, yes much of the fan base is very proud of our armed forces & pro monarchy, but there has always been another dimension to Millwall. People, even some of our fans, forget how pro union and socialist many of the dockers were. And Millwall fans are credited by the Socialist Worker paper for helping defeat the NF in the Battle of Lewisham in 1977 (look it up). 

As a club, we reflect our surroundings… inner city London has its problems, and yes you will find some very nasty people, but you will find lots of brilliant and good people too, from all kinds of backgrounds. I have always argued Millwall are far more Only Fools & Horses than Football Factory, but one of those characterisations is probably easier for people to see from the outside & certainly sells more papers & attracts more clicks.  

 

 

Well said 

[Ashtongatered]

Stupid question - how do away fans get to the away entrance ? as went a couple years ago on coach and the coach  had to go through about 3 gates to get to away end 

[phantom]

42 minutes ago, Ashtongatered said:

Stupid question - how do away fans get to the away entrance ? as went a couple years ago on coach and the coach  had to go through about 3 gates to get to away end 

How are you travelling there? 

[phantom]

3 hours ago, Piccolo said:

We certainly have our idiots at Millwall, but it isn’t quite as ‘black and white’ as outsiders tend to think. 

Some of Millwall’s most respected hooligans have been of Black and Turkish ethnicity. One is now a relatively famous actor, highlighted in the ‘famous fans’ section of the original post. And this continues to this day. The club also attracts many everyday fans from diverse backgrounds… have a look around tomorrow, now that you do not have to be herded from the station direct to the away end.

And as already mentioned, Millwall pioneered the professionalisation of female football back in the 1980s with the Millwall Lionesses. An affiliation we are very proud of. Indeed, it is because of my nan that I am a Millwall fan. It was her who dragged my grandad down The Den and got him hooked just after the war. Her and my aunt Vera used to be regulars back then.

Furthermore, yes much of the fan base is very proud of our armed forces & pro monarchy, but there has always been another dimension to Millwall. People, even some of our fans, forget how pro union and socialist many of the dockers were. And Millwall fans are credited by the Socialist Worker paper for helping defeat the NF in the Battle of Lewisham in 1977 (look it up). 

As a club, we reflect our surroundings… inner city London has its problems, and yes you will find some very nasty people, but you will find lots of brilliant and good people too, from all kinds of backgrounds. I have always argued Millwall are far more Only Fools & Horses than Football Factory, but one of those characterisations is probably easier for people to see from the outside & certainly sells more papers & attracts more clicks.  

 

 

Hi @Piccolothank you for your really useful posting on here I'm sure it has been helpful for many 

I'm not sure if you will see this message before the game, but I've always wanted to see the Lee Rigby memorial which I believe is at the ground 

Could you please advise where it is in comparison to the away end? 

Also, do you know if there is any area dedicated to your Chairman who passed away? 

Enjoy your day - well after 5pm

[Apple]

Morning Phantom 

On basis that Piccolo does not get on here this morning, there are memorials for Lee Rigby and Lee O’Callaghan. These are situated to the left of the main ticket office in the west stand - you’ll be in the north stand (in case you weren’t aware)

I don’t believe a dedicated memorial has been finalised for the chairman - all initial tributes, following his passing, were laid in our memorial garden behind the south stand.

 

 

[phantom]

6 minutes ago, Apple said:

Morning Phantom 

On basis that Piccolo does not get on here this morning, there are memorials for Lee Rigby and Lee O’Callaghan. These are situated to the left of the main ticket office in the west stand - you’ll be in the north stand (in case you weren’t aware)

I don’t believe a dedicated memorial has been finalised for the chairman - all initial tributes, following his passing, were laid in our memorial garden behind the south stand.

 

 

Brilliant, thank you 

I'm hoping to be able to get along there to pay my respects later 

[Ashtongatered]

7 hours ago, phantom said:

How are you travelling there? 

Getting to paddington then probably going to bermomdsey mile 

[phantom]

27 minutes ago, Ashtongatered said:

Getting to paddington then probably going to bermomdsey mile 

You'll find this useful 

https://www.cktravels.com/bermondsey-beer-mile-london-guide/

The away entrance is to the left side of the club shop 

[And Its Smith]

What do we reckon to the team today? 
Pring or Roberts

Sykes or Cornick

Bell or Mehmeti 

                    Max

Tanner.  Vyner. Dickie. Pring 

       Knight.  James. Williams 

      Sykes       Wells.       Bell 

[JPP]

Lions Fan here 

Millwall and City have come together before when Dean Horrix passed away after a car crash.  
 

Today will be fine as long as fans are respectful