petehinton Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 Just now, Kid in the Riot said: Two ways of looking at this: 1) It could empower Tins and Nige further as there's no CEO to answer to 2) Not having a CEO is one less experienced voice at boardroom level and so decision-making in the Lansdown echo chamber will only increase As a gambling man, I’ll stick all my chips on option 2 please barkeep 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Two ways of looking at this: 1) It could empower Tins and Nige further as there's no CEO to answer to 2) Not having a CEO is one less experienced voice at boardroom level and so decision-making in the Lansdown echo chamber will only increase Frankly bizarre that an organisation of this size is apparently now being run in this way. This appears to suggest that all commercial decisions are in the hands of Richard Cromwell, I mean Jon Lansdown, blimey, that’s really great, isn’t it? 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Tbh I think Sunday was just a case of them having to get something, anything, announced ASAP because it had leaked that PA had gone. There’s a big difference between saying PA resigned to NP saying that the club decided to move him on for a restructure. Shambles as ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Henry said: There’s a big difference between saying PA resigned to NP saying that the club decided to move him on for a restructure. Shambles as ever Not really. He did resign. And we have decided on a restructure. His resignation moved him on. As said previously on this thread, it’s very common to basically force someone to resign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 This sounds awful. C-level people don't just take on another C- level job. Also, CFOs don't know how businesses work. They understand numbers. Period. I give you Steve Lansdown as an example. Imagine making these decisions!! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Not really. He did resign. And we have decided on a restructure. His resignation moved him on. As said previously on this thread, it’s very common to basically force someone to resign If you read the original statement, listen to Nige and think it’s the same message…fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 But hang on, Luton have a Chief Executive. Are we not copying them any more? Has Steve found a successful club that doesn't have a CEO and decided we should copy them this week? I can't keep up. 2 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 39 minutes ago, Henry said: interesting that Nigel’s comment contradicted the clubs statement on Sunday. No mention of Nige from JL then. Don’t reckon his contract is getting renewed any time soon. **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 28 minutes ago, petehinton said: Slightly damning on what PA did/didn’t do if they think they can cover off with less people Or damning on their perception of what is/isn't important at a (supposedly on an upwards trajectory) football club! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!james Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 Board meetings must be amazing with dictator Lansdown. "Everyone agreed? Hang on let's just check with Steve..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamon Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 Sounds like a healthy structure to me. Very surprised no othe clubs do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 1 minute ago, glynriley said: No mention of Nige from JL then. Don’t reckon his contract is getting renewed any time soon. **** Probably reading too much into that. The manager isn’t on the board/exec level (and hasn’t been since TC) - this is an announcement about the level above the manager and mention of Nige wouldn’t be expected. (Doesn’t mean I don’t agree with the conclusion, but I think there is a lot of people over analysing statements at present and there’s nothing amiss with this one) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 That huge boardroom table with 2-3 people sat around it. All nodding at each other. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) No position of CEO in the usual manner, it is...interesting. It's certainly not common practice as far as I can see. Is it good Governance? Time will tell but it's certainly different! Edited September 20, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted September 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, glynriley said: No mention of Nige from JL then. Don’t reckon his contract is getting renewed any time soon. **** What is the role of Barton? Talks of rifts between SL, JL and Nigel, why doesn’t JL just pretend to praise Nigel even if he doesn’t believe it. Really is incredible the disrespect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 looks to me like more responsibility for Brian and Nige with no one sitting between them and ultimate decision makers..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Chivs said: This sounds awful. C-level people don't just take on another C- level job. Also, CFOs don't know how businesses work. They understand numbers. Period. I give you Steve Lansdown as an example. Imagine making these decisions!! And with all due respect to Tom Rawcliffe he's a mid-30s something guy with very limited experience. A couple of years at AFC Wimbledon and a couple at City, and elevated to CFO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 27 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Two ways of looking at this: 1) It could empower Tins and Nige further as there's no CEO to answer to 2) Not having a CEO is one less experienced voice at boardroom level and so decision-making in the Lansdown echo chamber will only increase Do you see this as: what’s the point of going through the whole recruitment process, bringing a new person in, and then ownership changes and they might want to move them on immeduately. Feels like a “holding” restructure whilst the new investment stuff goes on slowly behind the scenes. Anyone shiver at this: From Post. Of course Werhun became COO once his relative Ashton assumed the role of CEO!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, glynriley said: No mention of Nige from JL then. Don’t reckon his contract is getting renewed any time soon. **** Nige doing well and finishing in the play offs might not align then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Do you see this as: what’s the point of going through the whole recruitment process, bringing a new person in, and then ownership changes and they might want to move them on immeduately. Feels like a “holding” restructure whilst the new investment stuff goes on slowly behind the scenes. Anyone shiver at this: From Post. Of course Werhun became COO once his relative Ashton assumed the role of CEO!!! It does seem that way. It has to be that way, surely? I guess pretty much every club has a CEO so seems bizarre for us to think we can be successful without one. Isn't it kind of akin to getting rid of Pearson (or any manager) and allowing the coaches to perform that role, alongside their existing roles, just to save on a managers wages? Edited September 20, 2023 by W-S-M Seagull 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonburyRed Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 13 minutes ago, One Team said: Nige doing well and finishing in the play offs might not align then! What on earth would SL & JL do if we actually reached the promised land at the end of the season?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Do you see this as: what’s the point of going through the whole recruitment process, bringing a new person in, and then ownership changes and they might want to move them on immeduately. Feels like a “holding” restructure whilst the new investment stuff goes on slowly behind the scenes. Anyone shiver at this: From Post. Of course Werhun became COO once his relative Ashton assumed the role of CEO!!! That would make sense to be fair. If there is a new establishment on the way, it would be likely they'd want to get their own people in maybe we've just accelerated that in preparation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted September 20, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: It does seem that way. It has to be that way, surely? I guess pretty much every club has a CEO so seems bizarre for us to think we can be successful without one. Isn't it kind of akin to getting rid of Pearson (or any manager) and allowing the coaches to perform that role, alongside their existing roles, just to save on a managers wages? In this analogy wouldn't having a COO be akin to having a Head Coach in place of a Manager? I note that people with better knowledge than me say it costs too much in non-playing staff costs to generate each £. With many of the day to day decisions of a normal football club falling to Bristol Sport (see latest answers to the SC&T meeting with City officials), I'm optimistic that this could actually work for us as a cost cutting measure without seeing much difference off-the-pitch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jerseybean Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-confirm-new-leadership-8763071 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, GlastonburyRed said: What on earth would SL & JL do if we actually reached the promised land at the end of the season?! An interesting thought. Which prompts another - perhaps they know they won't be here if we do? Because perhaps a sale is closer than we think? If not, it's just more of their daftness. Who knows? Clear as mud, more questions than answers at the minute. Edited September 20, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicdaps Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 25 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Do you see this as: what’s the point of going through the whole recruitment process, bringing a new person in, and then ownership changes and they might want to move them on immeduately. Feels like a “holding” restructure whilst the new investment stuff goes on slowly behind the scenes. Anyone shiver at this: From Post. Of course Werhun became COO once his relative Ashton assumed the role of CEO!!! Precisely my conclusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ian M said: In this analogy wouldn't having a COO be akin to having a Head Coach in place of a Manager? I note that people with better knowledge than me say it costs too much in non-playing staff costs to generate each £. With many of the day to day decisions of a normal football club falling to Bristol Sport (see latest answers to the SC&T meeting with City officials), I'm optimistic that this could actually work for us as a cost cutting measure without seeing much difference off-the-pitch. The big question for me, is if PA was brought in for his commercial sales ability, where does a Finance Officer fit into filling that “capability” gap? Or are we just paying lip-service to the commercial side, because if we don’t grow that, we have to cut costs elsewhere…and recently it’s been the football side that has made those cuts. I’d like an explanation. I won’t get one. I won’t lose any sleep over it either. But it further fuels my view that PA was undermined and that’s why he was “asked” to resign. All imho. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 It seems to me (based on what Pearson said last night and the statement today) that the club has simply realised that they don’t need an expensive CEO in the building - that big role isn’t needed any more seeing how Tinnion’s role has developed. Why pay for a senior, big hitting CEO when one isn’t needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted September 20, 2023 Report Share Posted September 20, 2023 My view is that everyone is in danger of running down lots of rabbit holes with this one. Personally, following the 'Bristol Sport' reorganisation that took place earlier this year, it doesn't make sense to have a Football CEO and a Group CEO. The actual operations of the football club are relatively straightforward as are the finances. Football side director, everything else director, and NP keeping himself far away from anything but his day job - perfect. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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