That’s all on the manager

[Andy082005]

8 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

“Terrific in every department”.

We conceded three at home to a bang average team.

Yeah, terrific.

You really are spot on. I scratch my head on the mindset of some fans .

We did play some really decent stuff yesterday but to be 2-0 up against a team in 20th - and lose 3-2 is by no means terrific 

We’ve now got one win in the opening 5 league games. Where as we have improved slightly on last season performance wise - the reality is the end results haven’t 

Yesterday was far from terrific and was yet another wasted opportunity 

[Andy082005]

1 hour ago, The hand of RO'D said:

I honestly can’t pick holes in our performance, that’s why the result is so baffling for me. Complete freak result in my opinion.

Except it isn’t . 1 win in 5 at home, and our dismal home form from last season continues 

[Lack of Action Man]

4 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

You really are spot on. I scratch my head on the mindset of some fans .

We did play some really decent stuff yesterday but to be 2-0 up against a team in 20th - and lose 3-2 is by no means terrific 

We’ve now got one win in the opening 5 league games. Where as we have improved slightly on last season performance wise - the reality is the end results haven’t 

Yesterday was far from terrific and was yet another wasted opportunity 

Totally agree (I am out of ‘reactions’ for today).

Edited October 1, 2023 by OddBallJim

[E.G.Red]

12 hours ago, Chairman Mao said:

Let's be real, we are a nothing club going nowhere. After years of false starts it's a wonder why anyone bothers.

People bother because come hell or high water they still love their club. Tested at times but still there. If you can't take the heat then being a  football supporter  is obviously not for you.

Edited October 1, 2023 by E.G.Red

[Red-Robbo]

16 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

 The defence were pathetic 

It's never "just" the defence though is it?

If we'd capitalised on our possession in the second half,we could’ve scored another 2 or 3. 

If the ball had been held up more effectively in midfield, they wouldn't have been able to make these dangerous breaks. 

Harry, elsewhere, eloquently details why Naismith will always give me the fear at CB. But who else is there? 

We have to try to ride out these injuries and hope we don't encounter another side whose only three decent shots at goal all go in?

It could be argued that the game turned on their first goal. There's a shot at a distance that 9 out of 10 won't go in, but Lorin struck it superbly and against the run of play they suddenly had a lifeline.  This transformed Stoke from a side looking already beaten, who could scarce hold the ball for two passes, into contenders. It lifted them. It's those sort of fine margins that change games. 

[Davefevs]

12 hours ago, GrahamC said:

First goal in open play in just six games actually, unless you think the one at Hull was disallowed or something?

You might be right about Tommy (not Nakhi’s fault TC has been injured) but he’s been good for us this season, in my opinion.

Nahki played really well again yesterday without his goal.  His link up play is on a far better level than when he joined.

@Super

here you go…nobody lying…a trip on Sykes…in the box.

 

[Lew-T]

14 hours ago, Super said:

Would like to see it again. 

I’m pretty sure moments later Tanner got bundled over in a similar fashion to Sykes, and the ref blew!

Frustrating.

[Lew-T]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Nahki played really well again yesterday without his goal.  His link up play is on a far better level than when he joined.

@Super

here you go…nobody lying…a trip on Sykes…in the box.

 

I’m certain Tanner got done in a similar way in the middle of their half after this incident.

And a foul was given.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Nahki played really well again yesterday without his goal.  His link up play is on a far better level than when he joined.

@Super

here you go…nobody lying…a trip on Sykes…in the box.

 

looked a bit like shoulder to shoulder to me both hit the deck their guy got up quicker, maybe could have come inside the guy and then had a clear shot at goal?

[Shauntaylor85]

So if we lose to Rotherham and Leeds we won’t be in a good position will we…..where will that leave NP? Must win on Wednesday. We have to beat them, Stoke fans said to me yesterday if you can’t beat them then give up, Rotherham are terrible, they’ve thrashed them twice. 

[Guest]

20 hours ago, Psychopomp said:

It really does appear that some posters on here were cheering for joy when Stoke got their winner . Just to be negative on here.  Most bizzare behaviour.

Excellent debate about the subs . Rather looked like a great move , the game was ebbing away from us. Cornick was excellent , yet few can bring themselves to say it. I struggle with the signing, but if he is good , he is good. He was damn good. More of that Harry. Well done that man. 
 

We missed Vyner , hugely . Who would have thought that 18 months ago? 
 

We should not lose games like today, it is frustrating. But we still look like a proper side, missing maybe some quality, but we have many constraints, so we have to develop. We are. If you watch football , live football , to be entertained , we were entertained . There were stories everywhere. We do not look a joke , players work damn hard , and they care . We also play some beautiful football at times . Young players developing , getting better . That’s enjoyable . We are no longer a soft touch , a holiday club . 
 

Oh and TC is coming back. That boy is going places. Yep Bournemouth, to be by his mate and be rich
 

We will be in the play off mix , as will 12 other clubs . That is the league we are in. But no longer a joke club that everyone laughed at . 

 

 

[Harry]

I’ve just watched that 2nd half back again. 
And I stand by my opinion that the subs were correct and changed the momentum of the game into our favour. 
 

The 2nd half began with 2 errors from Dickie gifting Stoke the ball and of course their equalising goal. There were 2 instances of Bell and Sykes not running back with their man - Bell’s ended in the goal, Sykes’ one was lucky not to have. 
Stoke pretty much had the best of the opening 9 mins of the 2nd half and I believe Nige was correct to make the changes he did on 54 mins. 

The best way to answer the question as to whether the 4 changes had an impact on the game is to determine what happened in the immediate aftermath. 
 

The next 18 minutes, we came flying right back into the game and in my opinion, I feel are the best 18 minutes of dominance that we’ve enjoyed in a long long time. 
We had a series of corners. We had Naismith somehow miss from on the line. We had Yeboah about to score before a goal saving last ditch tackle. We had Pring’s penalty shout. We had Garder Hickman with time and options but he foolishly lashed a first time shot over. We had Weimann breaking forward with 4 men piling into the box but he poorly found the keeper with his cross. We had Pring get down the outside and drill a cross from the touchline that the keeper had to parry away. We had Cornick with a shot from distance that the keeper pushed away for a corner. 
 

All of that happened in the immediate 18 minutes after the subs. Stoke only had 1 possession worthy of the name in our half of the field, on 68 minutes they had about 30 seconds of the ball in our half. 
Other than that, we had all of the ball, all of the momentum and were looking good. 
Based on that evidence, I can’t fault the substitutions. 
 

Things changed on about 84 minutes when Dickie made a weak header and they broke for an attack. O’Leary then kicked a couple of wild ones into touch and O’Leary again somehow contrived to shoulder charge their striker when he could’ve used his hands to simply smother the ball. Very odd moment that one! 
These small errors slowly shifted momentum back again to Stoke. Naismith then failed to play a simple pass inside and instead hit it aimlessly to their keeper, from which the keepers kick deceived Naismith who missed the ball, causing Pring a problem, and then Naismith failed to track the runner who ended up slotting home. 
 

After the subs on 54 minutes, up until 84 minutes, I thought we were very very good, but just missing that all important goal. The only mistakes that were made in the 2nd half were 3 from Dickie, 3 from Max and 3 from Naismith. 
 

For me, the evidence is clear - the substitutes gave us back impetus and momentum and allowed us to dominate the 2nd half. Until a series of errors allowed them back in. 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Harry

[cotswoldred2]

On 30/09/2023 at 18:00, REDOXO said:

Why do we have so many supporters who revel in us getting beaten?

 

 

You called them supporters, I would question that. My weekend was ruined but at least the lawns got a good going over.

[REDOXO]

3 hours ago, cotswoldred2 said:

You called them supporters, I would question that. My weekend was ruined but at least the lawns got a good going over.

It seems Sykes and Tanner were injured, so we’re taken off. 
 

Yes I question that definition in relation to some here. However I do make decent use of the phrase gnome button!

[TheReds]

On 01/10/2023 at 15:18, Shauntaylor85 said:

So if we lose to Rotherham and Leeds we won’t be in a good position will we…..where will that leave NP? Must win on Wednesday. We have to beat them, Stoke fans said to me yesterday if you can’t beat them then give up, Rotherham are terrible, they’ve thrashed them twice. 

I expect it will leave NP firmly in his job if we lose to Rotherham, steering us gradually out of the mess he inherited when he came in, it will at least give you something to cheer about if we don't win, and obviously if we do win you can come on straight after to say "it was only Rotherham though".

I wonder if Pep is bricking it, after all a few people said Wolves are terrible, I mean if he can't get his team to beat them....
 

[petehinton]

Fair play to Nige & co for going for it in a truly awful game, with truly awful officiating, away from home. Two goals by a sub, one assist by a sub. Would’ve been easy to try and ride it out and draw a line under it. 
 

We’ve pretty much just done what Stoke did to us on Saturday, which is why we can’t take too much from freak games like it. It’s football. It’s why we hate and love it in equal measure. 
 

Huge win. 

[mozo]

Nige's summary: it was a rotten game. 

Very negative about our performance.

[The Original OTIB]

Just now, mozo said:

Nige's summary: it was a rotten game. 

Very negative about our performance.

Realistic.

[Malago]

Couldn’t agree more, that certainly was on the manager.

[And Its Smith]

4 minutes ago, mozo said:

Nige's summary: it was a rotten game. 

Very negative about our performance.

Rightly so. We were pretty awful for most of it 

[mozo]

Well, after 10 games, I think you can say it's on the manager (unfortunately for Munez).

An average of 1.5 points per game is alright. Not bad, not especially good, but an improvement on last season.

Hopefully, with Weimann and Conway back we can see some more convincing performances and edge up the league.

[AppyDAZE]

Interesting to note on the re-run, James going straight to King for the celebrations.

And fair play, because for all the negativity tongiht, we kept going even after the 1-1.

Onwards, Upwards, and onto "he's one of your own" Leeds on Sat.

 

COYR!

 

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, AppyDAZE said:

Interesting to note on the re-run, James going straight to King for the celebrations.

And fair play, because for all the negativity tongiht, we kept going even after the 1-1.

Onwards, Upwards, and onto "he's one of your own" Leeds on Sat.

 

COYR!

 

His assist.

Clearly approaching the twilight of his career but a top pro.

[watkins1983]

9 minutes ago, mozo said:

Nige's summary: it was a rotten game. 

Very negative about our performance.

That was his first sentence. Spot on I thought. Game was crap, just some Conway magic the difference

[AppyDAZE]

1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

His assist.

Clearly approaching the twilight of his career but a top pro.

And a fan. Well done, Andy boy!

[Davefevs]

54 minutes ago, watkins1983 said:

That was his first sentence. Spot on I thought. Game was crap, just some Conway magic the difference

Often games at this level are won by a differentiator, usually a goalscorer.  Tonight we had that differentiator, and that is key for a team like us with a very even / level quality squad.

Need to keep TC fit.

[Red_Alligator]

On 30/09/2023 at 17:35, Shauntaylor85 said:

I’m a Nige fan but the reason he won’t get a new contract is he DOES NOT get results. Just saying. 

Well, sometimes he does.

[OldlandReddies]

We have to be careful what we wish for. It's been slow progress for sure under Nige but we definitely have improved under him year on year both as a team and squad. He's been under certain financial restraints which other managers would have struggled to work with but has kept to the script to fall within FFP regulations. We are starting to see glimpses of the squad all pulling together the same way and I do see some identity now when I watch them. With a little more luck with injuries going forward I do think we could be in or around the playoffs at the turn of the year and who knows what can happen from there. Nige does need to feel wanted though in order to finish the job and we can play a big part in that. He needs our support. I for one will give him mine. 

[The hand of RO'D]

Footballs a funny old game

Saturday - decent performance 0 points

Last night - terrible performance 3 points.

Terrific.

[Major Isewater]

10 hours ago, GrahamC said:

His assist.

Clearly approaching the twilight of his career but a top pro.

I am sure Nigel briefed King to go on an assist Tommy.

 

This one’s definitely on the manager . 
 

 

 

On a more serious note , how can Pearson be criticised when his star players are sold , he uses the bare minimum size squad, has key injuries, plays academy kids who should be in school and yet we are still moving forwards. 
The bloke is nothing short of a miracle worker and he , along with his staff, should be offered new contracts pronto. 
Pearson sets the culture that has shaken up the club and if we stick with him we are going to have more good days than bad. 
Give him a contract you shit - Alan Partridge sub quote.