Davefevs Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, italian dave said: I bow to the superior knowledge that the likes of yourself and @spudski and @Davefevs have when it comes to tactics and styles. But what you describe is exactly what I’ve said a number of times both before and after yesterdays sacking: we have a terrible track record of managing any sort of transition in a way that provides continuity and consistency. We either change everything completely. Or we seem to equate consistency with an internal appointment and all that they’ve given us is consistent disappointment. I’m not as furious as many others over NPs departure, but I’m utterly depressed at the prospect of us making the same mistake again. Just out of interest, do any of the three of you see anyone among the lists of potential names who’d provide us with a smoother transition? Are there others whose ethos and style would fit better with the players we’ve got? It’s impossible to guess how a new manager eases transition from old manager. But Nige had made us hard to beat, instilled good defensive capabilities, so maybe Rowett. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, italian dave said: I bow to the superior knowledge that the likes of yourself and @spudski and @Davefevs have when it comes to tactics and styles. But what you describe is exactly what I’ve said a number of times both before and after yesterdays sacking: we have a terrible track record of managing any sort of transition in a way that provides continuity and consistency. We either change everything completely. Or we seem to equate consistency with an internal appointment and all that they’ve given us is consistent disappointment. I’m not as furious as many others over NPs departure, but I’m utterly depressed at the prospect of us making the same mistake again. Just out of interest, do any of the three of you see anyone among the lists of potential names who’d provide us with a smoother transition? Are there others whose ethos and style would fit better with the players we’ve got? Well we presume what will be expected from the new coach stays the same: develop youth, buy cheap and add value. Make the squad greater than the sum of it's parts. Work within tight (midtable) budgets. Eustace and Rowett have both done some of those things, but with quite defensive/hard to beat styles of play. Eustace fired in part IIRC for the football not being exciting enough for the owners? I really don't know - some of my best options I would say are in jobs currently. Could we poach someone like Liam Rosenior or more realistically a Steven Schumacher type? Micheal Duff widely considered an excellent coach at improving players too. The bigger names not in jobs I don't see working under all of those above conditions, unless SL promises them big cash to spend (change of strategy, again). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: I don't believe it will be any of the 3 that Sky said we are interested in, it will be an "up and coming" lower league coach. I agree...more likely to be someone like Michael Beale or Liam Manning... Michael Beale as a No1 = 65 games, Win %age 61% Liam Manning Career = 140 games, Win %age 47% Both will be a cheaper option than most and SL will like this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Tomo said: I agree...more likely to be someone like Michael Beale or Liam Manning... Michael Beale as a No1 = 65 games, Win %age 61% Liam Manning Career = 140 games, Win %age 47% Both will be a cheaper option than most and SL will like this Beale won’t be cheap having been at Rangers and is full of himself. Manning will cost compo. I don’t think either will be cheap all-told….but that’s only my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 I'm leaning more towards John Eustace. No reason. He looks quite nice in a tracksuit but he hasn't tried our training gear yet… 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 23 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It’s impossible to guess how a new manager eases transition from old manager. But Nige had made us hard to beat, instilled good defensive capabilities, so maybe Rowett. 19 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Well we presume what will be expected from the new coach stays the same: develop youth, buy cheap and add value. Make the squad greater than the sum of it's parts. Work within tight (midtable) budgets. Eustace and Rowett have both done some of those things, but with quite defensive/hard to beat styles of play. Eustace fired in part IIRC for the football not being exciting enough for the owners? I really don't know - some of my best options I would say are in jobs currently. Could we poach someone like Liam Rosenior or more realistically a Steven Schumacher type? Micheal Duff widely considered an excellent coach at improving players too. The bigger names not in jobs I don't see working under all of those above conditions, unless SL promises them big cash to spend (change of strategy, again). Thanks. William Still has been mentioned a few times as a possible left field candidate. Would he be realistic, a good fit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Kimpton said: Eustace in to 13/8 and Rowett 5/2. Two horse race maybe, both 8/1 yesterday. You do realise this means nothing, right? Odds are shortening simply because of where people are placing their bets. Bookies know nothing, just like us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: Has Warnock definitely retired this time? No, he's joining QPR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Selred said: No, he's joining QPR! I read they are more interested in Sabri Lamouchi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimpton Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, RedEyez said: You do realise this means nothing, right? Odds are shortening simply because of where people are placing their bets. Bookies know nothing, just like us. Really if that’s the case where is Sir Alex or I would like to put a bet on Big Ron, of course they mean something they don’t need to be in the know to create an educated list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimpton Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Beale won’t be cheap having been at Rangers and is full of himself. Manning will cost compo. I don’t think either will be cheap all-told….but that’s only my view. Not sure Beale would come probably enjoying a nice compo package that he potentially would only give up for a biggie. Edited October 30, 2023 by Kimpton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kimpton said: Really if that’s the case where is Sir Alex or I would like to put a bet on Big Ron, of course they mean something they don’t need to be in the know to create an educated list. Bizarre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, italian dave said: Thanks. William Still has been mentioned a few times as a possible left field candidate. Would he be realistic, a good fit? Surely not realistic given Reims are currently sat 5th in Ligue 1. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, RedEyez said: You do realise this means nothing, right? Odds are shortening simply because of where people are placing their bets. Bookies know nothing, just like us. Cotterill as favourite yesterday demonstrated that better than anything I think Ive ever seen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med/MadHatter Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, LoyalRed said: I wouldn't be surprised if he's been tapping up Mark Robins I'd be surprised if they didn't surreptitiously reach out to him after we played Coventry tbh, Steve's younger lookalike wouldn't be too bad in all honesty, better than blummin Rowett anyways 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatn Over Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, Med/MadHatter said: I'd be surprised if they didn't surreptitiously reach out to him after we played Coventry tbh, Steve's younger lookalike wouldn't be too bad in all honesty, better than blummin Rowett anyways And if Coventry get turned over by WBA tonight !………. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 JL video coming out discussing it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Beale won’t be cheap having been at Rangers and is full of himself. Manning will cost compo. I don’t think either will be cheap all-told….but that’s only my view. I don't think Beale will demand high wages regardless of his Rangers post....he's only been a number 1 for 65 matches in total.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 In all seriousness, what will a manager coming in be able to change? We still have soo many injuries and a threadbare squad, with no transfer window in sight. I can't see this starting well atall, that combined with fan frustration... I still can't see the logic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, italian dave said: Cotterill as favourite yesterday demonstrated that better than anything I think Ive ever seen! Might need cotts to get us out of league 1 better than the three mentioned just means Lansdown must apologise for last time he was here Edited October 30, 2023 by Cityboy1954 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 Timing of the next appointment will be interesting - feels like this time it needs to be a quick appointment. Earlier this week - they were already pretty much lined up. End of week/early next week - see above or TBF to the club they've got a plan, drawn up a list and got their man quickly. Anything into end of next week or week after - They had no plan and I will be worried the process not going as easily as they expected i.e targets are turning us down. IMO the new man should be at the Sheff Wednesday game, at least watching, if not in full charge yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen hump Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 It’s going to be Luke Williams , just a hunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 16 hours ago, City1984 said: Sorry not read thread yet as only just seen news and head is spinning but thought I'd throw another unrealistic name out there ( apologies if already mentioned, as I say not had time to rad yet) Graham Potter That would see his career going like this: Norway Swansea/Championship Brighton/moving up Prem Chelsea/Europe Bristol City/15th Championship (but with a "nest egg") I can't see it meself, but .... what do you think? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taxi for hunt Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 surprised Allardyce isn't on the radar, certainly not a yes man though so rules him out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Floatn Over said: And if Coventry get turned over by WBA tonight !………. I've been considering this possibility. Coventry are on a run of something like 1 win in 11. Lose tonight and that will be 3 losses in a row. I can't see they getting rid but that's a far worse record than Pearson was on. I'd personally not want him here but I could potentially see it happen. I'm sure Tinnion and Robins must have played together? So if Tinnion is leading on recruitment then if they know each other then that could come into it. Edited October 30, 2023 by W-S-M Seagull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarumred Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I've bene considering this possibility. Coventry are on a run of something like 1 win in 11. Lose tonight and that will be 3 losses in a row. I can't see they getting rid but that's a far worse record than Pearson was on. I'd personally not want him here but I could potentially see it happen. I wouldn't rule him out. He spent a great deal of money in the summer and he hasn't been getting the results this season. Loose tonight and he could find himself out of a job in a day or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moulin Rougier Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 I don't agree with the sacking of Nige, quite frankly its embarrassing but dealing with the situation we're in, looking at who is out there, I'd go Eustace. Played good football with Kidderminster, had some success and reached the playoffs (albeit much lower division) Has experience at international level with Ireland. For some reason I like managers that get themselves out there and do this Did well with Birmingham. Widely touted to finish bottom, he got them performing really well. All whilst dealing with off pitch nonsense which shows he can shut out the noise, focus on the football, connect with the players and get results. He might need that experience here if there is fallout from the sacking.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollywhyte Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Moulin Rougier said: I don't agree with the sacking of Nige, quite frankly its embarrassing but dealing with the situation we're in, looking at who is out there, I'd go Eustace. Played good football with Kidderminster, had some success and reached the playoffs (albeit much lower division) Has experience at international level with Ireland. For some reason I like managers that get themselves out there and do this Did well with Birmingham. Widely touted to finish bottom, he got them performing really well. All whilst dealing with off pitch nonsense which shows he can shut out the noise, focus on the football, connect with the players and get results. He might need that experience here if there is fallout from the sacking.... Worth noting we also have a Irish contingent of players who will have worked with him already. Potential for Curtis Fleming to remain in position for that consistency with the players I suppose as well? He will also know Rob Dickie from spell at QPR. Edited October 30, 2023 by ollywhyte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redpole Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Davefevs said: Beale won’t be cheap having been at Rangers and is full of himself. Manning will cost compo. I don’t think either will be cheap all-told….but that’s only my view. I would also include Ryan Mason in that thinking as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh95 Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 I have not read all the comments.Uwe rosler,jesse marsch or ralph hasenhuttl. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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