Realistic Options

[Cov 77]

3 minutes ago, Totterdown's Finest said:

Expect it to be Rowett.

Why ? 

[David Brent]

1 minute ago, Tafkarmlf said:

Well no, we haven't

Being blunt

See what happens next 

Of course not.

But we’re all aware that our owners can’t be trusted with footballing decisions. 

[Totterdown's Finest]

3 minutes ago, Cov 77 said:

Why ? 

Proven at this level, worked effectively with limited funds, out of contract, left Millwall from a position of reasonable strength and with reputation intact

[Taz]

4 minutes ago, David Brent said:

First sensible thing you’ve said all day.

Surely if you’re the owner of this club, you look around and see the dearth of talent available and think actually we’ve got a decent manager already.

 

A few years ago I would be optimistic and think/assume that this would be the case. Now, I'm not too sure about it.

With the amount of dross available out there, as a supporter you just have to hope that the owners have seen sense and have something really big up their sleeves. 

I really do fear that we may end up with another LJ situation in the respect that the purse strings will be loosened but with the wrong person in charge. We'll then need another Pearson type appointment to sort out the mess created......

[Dastardly and Muttley]

People say it’s not an inspiring list, but I’d actually accept any of Rowett, Eustace, Beale, Warnock or even Ainsworth.

Not Jones, though. Forget him.

But the others have something intriguing about them that could fit at this club. Cotterill was not an inspiring signing, but he clicked with City. I could see any of the five I mentioned doing the same. It’s about providing an environment in which they can succeed and things clicking.

I would be against Jones, as I can’t see him ever winning the fans over given his attitude and arrogance. Pulis 2.0

Nigel Pearson, however, is a cut above all of them and a different class of manager. Sometimes, though, the fit and connection between manager, ownership, players and the fans is more important. Cotts and early GJ are the only ones I’ve seen truly achieve this, and they’re, with respect, not necessarily the best managers the world has ever seen.

[And Its Smith]

25 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:

So what do you think of Garry Rowett? Tins and Jon have it seems decided to appoint him. Is this a manger you will get behind, as you hated Nige. Happy? 

Show me a comment that backs up the statement I hated Nige. Guess you are getting me mixed up with someone else. 

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

2 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

People say it’s not an inspiring list, but I’d actually accept any of Rowett, Eustace, Beale, Warnock or even Ainsworth.

Not Jones, though. Forget him.

But the others have something intriguing about them that could fit at this club. Cotterill was not an inspiring signing, but he clicked with City. I could see any of the five I mentioned doing the same. It’s about providing an environment in which they can succeed and things clicking.

I would be against Jones, as I can’t see him ever winning the fans over given his attitude and arrogance. Pulis 2.0

Nigel Pearson, however, is a cut above all of them and a different class of manager. Sometimes, though, the fit and connection between manager, ownership, players and the fans is more important. Cotts and early GJ are the only ones I’ve seen truly achieve this, and they’re, with respect, not necessarily the best managers the world has ever seen.

Don't think it will be any of those you mentioned.

[Harry]

9 minutes ago, Red Skin said:

I'm gutted that Pearson has gone, but I don't necessarily agree with your analysis.

The one chink of light in this is that potentially Tinnion will be the kingmaker rather than the suits.  I've long felt we needed a Technical Director/Director of Football to define the footballing identity and to recruit players and coaches (yes, coaches) to fit with this.   That is the correct model I believe.  But for that to work, the football club must have reached a level of maturity which I'm not sure we have reached yet, despite all the good work NP has done.

Undoubtedly when NP joined we needed a Manager rather than a coach to address the absolute mess the club was in.   I hope the culture and identity NP brought to the club, hasn't also left the building with him.  (I'm really worried that Dave Rennie has left).

Personally, this feels like the end of a relationship so as far a speculating on who his successor with be, I'm sorry but I won't be polishing up my Tinder profile and checking my photos for ones that I'm less fat and less bald in just yet. 

I’ve read quite few posts on here today which say “Tinnion will be the Kingmaker”. 
If that’s that case, which many seem confident on (myself included), then why does nobody seem to be pointing out that Tinnion was also likely to have been the Kingslayer too? 
If he’s in charge of who’s coming in, it stands to reason that he’d have also had a major say on Pearson leaving. 
 

I have a theory (which I have genuine reason to believe based on events), that Tinnion has been the man with the power ever since Gould left. 
Obviously a manager wouldn’t be sacked without SL’s consent, but I don’t think it was actually SL’s idea. I think Tinnion is the man in charge and he’d have been the one who put this option to SL for him to ratify 

[The Bard]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

I think I read earlier from one of the local reporters, that the Club wanted a more hands on Coach on the training ground, rather than a manager. 

If true, I've got mixed feelings about this. 

Man management especially with the Academy pathway being implemented so much, is essential with ' the kids' imo. Someone who's been there and understands it. 

Not just a coach giving ' tactics' so to speak, and no understanding of the people he's coaching. 

Coaching is one thing ... understanding each individual player, reading them and knowing what's right for them is essential imo. 

 

Spot on.  There is a lot of delusional stuff going.  A lack of self-awareness from key characters.  From the arrogant owner, his tumbledown son and our Technical director who I fear has been a key player in all this behind the scenes.

[RUSSEL85]

2 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

People say it’s not an inspiring list, but I’d actually accept any of Rowett, Eustace, Beale, Warnock or even Ainsworth.

Not Jones, though. Forget him.

But the others have something intriguing about them that could fit at this club. Cotterill was not an inspiring signing, but he clicked with City. I could see any of the five I mentioned doing the same. It’s about providing an environment in which they can succeed and things clicking.

I would be against Jones, as I can’t see him ever winning the fans over given his attitude and arrogance. Pulis 2.0

Nigel Pearson, however, is a cut above all of them and a different class of manager. Sometimes, though, the fit and connection between manager, ownership, players and the fans is more important. Cotts and early GJ are the only ones I’ve seen truly achieve this, and they’re, with respect, not necessarily the best managers the world has ever seen.

Ainsworth? No thank you. Good league 1 manager but lacks it in championship big time.

[The Bard]

Just now, Harry said:

I’ve read quite few posts on here today which say “Tinnion will be the Kingmaker”. 
If that’s that case, which many seem confident on (myself included), then why does nobody seem to be pointing out that Tinnion was also likely to have been the Kingslayer too? 
If he’s in charge of who’s coming in, it stands to reason that he’d have also had a major say on Pearson leaving. 
 

I have a theory (which I have genuine reason to believe based on events), that Tinnion has been the man with the power ever since Gould left. 
Obviously a manager wouldn’t be sacked without SL’s consent, but I don’t think it was actually SL’s idea. I think Tinnion is the man in charge and he’d have been the one who put this option to SL for him to ratify 

You've just said what I implied.  He's the obvious link here as soon as you analyse the situation.  

I'm not comfortable with that at all.  He did this previously, for his own ends and that was disastrous.

[petehinton]

Pretty depressing list of options to me. None have any sustained periods of success, or any sign that they’d be better than what Pearson would’ve been able to achieve with more players back from injury. 
 

Rowett would be the most depressing appointment of the lot for me. Really would be. 

[Harry]

2 minutes ago, The Bard said:

You've just said what I implied.  He's the obvious link here as soon as you analyse the situation.  

I'm not comfortable with that at all.  He did this previously, for his own ends and that was disastrous.

Yep. For me the evidence is very clear. 
I’ve been sat here this evening putting a few puzzle pieces together from things I’ve seen or heard over the last few months and it’s crystal clear to me what’s happened. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Harry

[Dastardly and Muttley]

2 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said:

Ainsworth? No thank you. Good league 1 manager but lacks it in championship big time.

Can see why people say that given the QPR disaster. I live near Wycombe, though, and saw how he shaped an unfashionable club with no budget to compete at levels at which they’d never before achieved.

There’s a manager and a leader in there, and he’s always intrigued me as an option at City. Not sure anyone can make it work at QPR at the moment. 

[RUSSEL85]

2 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

Can see why people say that given the QPR disaster. I live near Wycombe, though, and saw how he shaped an unfashionable club with no budget to compete at levels at which they’d never before achieved.

There’s a manager and a leader in there, and he’s always intrigued me as an option at City. Not sure anyone can make it work at QPR at the moment. 

Certainly a fair point and he is a good motivator but would be a risky appointment.

[Red Skin]

2 minutes ago, Harry said:

I’ve read quite few posts on here today which say “Tinnion will be the Kingmaker”. 
If that’s that case, which many seem confident on (myself included), then why does nobody seem to be pointing out that Tinnion was also likely to have been the Kingslayer too? 
If he’s in charge of who’s coming in, it stands to reason that he’d have also had a major say on Pearson leaving. 
 

I have a theory (which I have genuine reason to believe based on events), that Tinnion has been the man with the power ever since Gould left. 
Obviously a manager wouldn’t be sacked without SL’s consent, but I don’t think it was actually SL’s idea. I think Tinnion is the man in charge and he’d have been the one who put this option to SL for him to ratify 

Well that would make sense.  That's what the Technical Director would be responsible for. 

If that's true, then it is very disappointing.  I do recall mutterings that Tinnion was less than supportive ( to put it mildly) of Danny Wilson at the time he departed.  Only for Tinnion to take over from him.

What's very clear is that SL had a nonexistent relationship with NP so that cannot be ignored either.  I think NP was just too big a personality for our owners to deal with. 

[Red Army 87]

6 minutes ago, Harry said:

I’ve read quite few posts on here today which say “Tinnion will be the Kingmaker”. 
If that’s that case, which many seem confident on (myself included), then why does nobody seem to be pointing out that Tinnion was also likely to have been the Kingslayer too? 
If he’s in charge of who’s coming in, it stands to reason that he’d have also had a major say on Pearson leaving. 
 

I have a theory (which I have genuine reason to believe based on events), that Tinnion has been the man with the power ever since Gould left. 
Obviously a manager wouldn’t be sacked without SL’s consent, but I don’t think it was actually SL’s idea. I think Tinnion is the man in charge and he’d have been the one who put this option to SL for him to ratify 

Good theory - I don’t think we can understate the wording used around finding a new head coach, not manager. This switch back in terms of roles will likely end up with Tinnion having more responsibility (power) than he’s had with Nige around.

[Zuni]

11 minutes ago, Dastardly and Muttley said:

People say it’s not an inspiring list, but I’d actually accept any of Rowett, Eustace, Beale, Warnock or even Ainsworth.

Not Jones, though. Forget him.

But the others have something intriguing about them that could fit at this club. Cotterill was not an inspiring signing, but he clicked with City. I could see any of the five I mentioned doing the same. It’s about providing an environment in which they can succeed and things clicking.

I would be against Jones, as I can’t see him ever winning the fans over given his attitude and arrogance. Pulis 2.0

Nigel Pearson, however, is a cut above all of them and a different class of manager. Sometimes, though, the fit and connection between manager, ownership, players and the fans is more important. Cotts and early GJ are the only ones I’ve seen truly achieve this, and they’re, with respect, not necessarily the best managers the world has ever seen.

Good Post.

[The Bard]

1 minute ago, Harry said:

Yep. For me the evidence is very clear. 
I’ve been sat here this evening putting a few puzzle pieces together from things I’ve seen or heard over the last few months and it’s crystal clear to me what’s happened. 

If you and me have independently come to this conclusion then it's 99% happened.  Saw something on twitter earlier and he gave off the vibe of being quite happy with the situation.  Pearson's comments about being questioned why Andy King is playing CB would almost certainly be from him especially with him probably wanting to see Aroyaye/Knight-Lebel/Idehen given a go.

[City1984]

Sorry not read thread yet as only just seen news and head is spinning but thought I'd throw another unrealistic name out there (  apologies if already mentioned, as I say not had time to rad yet) 

Graham Potter 

[Fuber]

19 minutes ago, Totterdown's Finest said:

Proven at this level, worked effectively with limited funds, out of contract, left Millwall from a position of reasonable strength and with reputation intact

If limited funds is £9m+ net spending out the door in the last 16 months, then sure...

[redkev]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

You don’t think the Plymouth manager would join?!

The manager who made 7 changes against us , even all the Plymouth said before the game they would get hammered 9 mins in we were 2 up , 

tbf he does seem a pretty progressive manager

[And Its Smith]

Just now, redkev said:

The manager who made 7 changes against us , even all the Plymouth said before the game they would get hammered 9 mins in we were 2 up , 

tbf he does seem a pretty progressive manager

Then beat norwich a few days later.  A team with a much bigger budget.  3 points from those 2 games is a decent return.  Good to see a manager make brave decisions 

[Show Me The Money!]

5 hours ago, Rocky said:

Step forward, our new, young head coach…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Andy King 

After the club have been through a thorough selection process for 6 weeks first 

[Shauntaylor85]

1 hour ago, The Bard said:

If you and me have independently come to this conclusion then it's 99% happened.  Saw something on twitter earlier and he gave off the vibe of being quite happy with the situation.  Pearson's comments about being questioned why Andy King is playing CB would almost certainly be from him especially with him probably wanting to see Aroyaye/Knight-Lebel/Idehen given a go.

Exactly this. Just because he was a brilliant footballer for us, same for our kit manager, it doesn’t mean they can’t be criticised! Nor should be in such power with such a lack of experience. Imagine Spurs all of a sudden appointing Teddy Sheringham as Tech Director and keeping Ginola as Kit Manager through manager after manager (well I suppose for them it would be worth it!). It just wouldn’t happen! We are such a soft touch. To do a Scott Davidson, dont think any other club would appoint in that role based on experience at this level. Not sure why our fans are so praiseworthy of him as if he had nothing to do with it! 

Edited October 29, 2023 by Shauntaylor85

[wybmadwity]

After looking at past BCFC history, I have come to the conclusion that the next manager will be Pat Mountain.  Scott Murray may be offerred the CEO role.

[W-S-M Seagull]

20 minutes ago, wybmadwity said:

After looking at past BCFC history, I have come to the conclusion that the next manager will be Pat Mountain.  Scott Murray may be offerred the CEO role.

I'd not be surprised if we appointed the BCFC ladies manager. 

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, The Bard said:

Ironic isn't it that they've actually done this sacking in a planned way.  They know it's seriously unpopular.  No wishful thinking. A clear indication it's got nothing to do with results - they just wanted rid of their turbulent manager.

yep, to put it out as “results” is taking the piss.  That result against Coventry last weekend must’ve put a right spanner in the works.

Clearly someone other than SL & JL are doing the leg work.  Are we in a situation where someone is secretly working as a consultant for them to enable this dirty work to be done? Or is this Tom fella from Wimbledon the new kid of the block?

all fingers seem to be pointing at Tins….as I see you and @Harry have been discussing above.

I've heard a rumour that there was a meeting this morning when free agents were being suggested to Nigel who basically told those present that he wasn't having it.  If so then fair play to him.

yep, heard similar.  And if it were me my response would’ve been “eff off, should’ve given me players in the window not now”.

I guess it would feel a bit weird to want him out, have a new man ready to go then try to placate him with some OOC players.  Surely the budget is maxed out?  What’s changed since Sept 1st.  Or maybe they’re shitting themselves, because new man has changed his mind.

if true, what an insult.

From the other stuff I’ve heard Nige appears to be the principled guy we thought he was.  Fair play to him.

[WolfOfWestStreet]

8 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

You are talking about his results. I’m talking style of football.  Not interested in watching boring football 

I'm as bemused by the decision to sack NP as the rest of us. But the football has been boring for a long time, I didn't renew my 13 years season ticket because of it. 

The fact i personally belive the football has been boring isn't NPs fault, he's not been backed, but we as fans have paid the price for Lansdowns negligence

[WolfOfWestStreet]

7 hours ago, cityfan1958 said:

To underscore what others have said. The loudest protest will be a silent stadium. 
 

We've been protesting for a long time in that case