Fans forum 27th November - Hen and Chicken

[Bristol Rob]

1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Same as usual then, an easy ride for the panel with most fans seemingly just happy to be there, and no tough questions.

Regarding the above pre H&C post, and that it only takes 3 or 4 tough questions to make things really interesting, I note the likes of @GrahamC, @Bristol Rob and @W-S-M Seagull (maybe amongst others from OTIB) obtained tickets but have said they were unfortunately unable to attend on the night.

Who knows, perhaps these 3 were the ones who would have represented the majority on OTIB by asking those tough questions, thus making it a much less comfortable night for the panel and the whole event far more interesting.

It doesn't take much to make a big difference to the whole event, and this trio of absentees may have been very fortunate for JL and BT.

 

I wasn't really a fan of the idea of having a poll and collating questions in advance as it might dilute any news/debate, but having watched (some, not all - I lost the will) of the stream, it might be an idea if maybe SCAT/Someone suggested that they use their in-box/email to collect questions. 

Not so much with view to catching out any future panel, but to ensure that any questions answered aren't them reading from a pre-prepared crib sheet. 

That said, whilst the difficult questions are always the ones that most are interested in hearing about, you still have to give a platform for those who want to thank SL/JL/BT/NF and anyone else who sits on the stage, or indeed ask any questions that don't really add much value overall. Their opportunities shouldn't be denied either.

Not sure what the solution is, but I'm now far more on the side of a coordinated set of questions than I was, and that is based purely on the questions asked. 

If anything, it would be a better session if the manager wasn't there, and there was a seperate Q&A with him further down the line, where praise, players, transfer targets, injuries, formations and opposition could all be covered. 

[Davefevs]

24 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

True but at a ticketed event it's the luck of the draw who gets the tickets, or should be anyway.

I don't know why it's held at the H&C, on a non match day, with a limit of 200.

The Q&A's I've attended were all held under the Dolman, a huge space as was. A couple were in the evening like the H&C but crucially not ticketed so anyone could turn up. Most though were either at 1pm before a match, or on an open day, so masses of fans were at the ground anyway.

You could organise beforehand as much as you like these days to get the right people there asking the right questions but under the current format no guarantee any of them would get tickets.

Btw, as I've said previously it was always an easy ride for the panel, there again none of the Q&A's were held at a controversial time for the club like this last one, more like an excited audience to 'welcome Steve Coppell', or those attending were charmed by GJ and Colin Sexstone. Even SL was smiley and forthcoming in those days!

 

I was chatting to Paul Binning (Exiled Robin) about this whilst it was being planned.  I don’t know if he was involved, or knew someone that was, but they wanted it away from AG - therefore to be a neutral venue.

Personally I don’t think a Bristol City Fans Forum for Bristol City Fans needs to feel neutral, but I can see why they might’ve thought that way.

Being mischievous, maybe it was cheaper to run away from AG than at AG!  That’s not as ridiculous as I make it sound!

[phantom]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

I was chatting to Paul Binning (Exiled Robin) about this whilst it was being planned.  I don’t know if he was involved, or knew someone that was, but they wanted it away from AG - therefore to be a neutral venue.

Personally I don’t think a Bristol City Fans Forum for Bristol City Fans needs to feel neutral, but I can see why they might’ve thought that way.

Being mischievous, maybe it was cheaper to run away from AG than at AG!  That’s not as ridiculous as I make it sound!

The above it correct, and also the reason why it has been held away from a club building before

The idea is to take it away from being a club controlled event and hold it in a less formal surround

[RedM]

2 hours ago, Harry said:

I’m not suggesting that I actually want it to happen, but the freedom to be able to drink all game and watch it on tv is absolutely detrimental if the club want fans in their seats making noise. 

I don't know if you go to the rugby, but to their fans the game seems secondary to drinking and socialising. I would hate it if football ever got like that. 

[Guest]

25 minutes ago, phantom said:

The above it correct, and also the reason why it has been held away from a club building before

The idea is to take it away from being a club controlled event and hold it in a less formal surround

I have a vague recollection of meetings chaired by  I think Dave Lloyd(?) with the police liaison officer in attendance, can’t remember what they were intended for.

Have I imagined that?
 

Given the H and C meeting seemed to be run by Dave Barton with help from the SLO I really can’t see why it needs a neutral venue.

I would like to see regular events with some perhaps pre planned questions chaired by a neutral, perhaps a BBC guy. If people want in depth answers to questions I can see no reason why the top table shouldn’t be given prior notice of those questions, so that in depth and perhaps more meaningful answers can be provided.

For people who aren’t used to speaking in front of a crowd it can be quite intimidating to do it for the first time, so it’s easy to see that some of the questions rambled on or didn’t seem to have a focused point to make.

[CyderInACan]

35 minutes ago, RedM said:

I don't know if you go to the rugby, but to their fans the game seems secondary to drinking and socialising. I would hate it if football ever got like that. 

Just a slight generalisation there eh . . . 

[phantom]

18 minutes ago, Countryfile said:

I have a vague recollection of meetings chaired by  I think Dave Lloyd(?) with the police liaison officer in attendance, can’t remember what they were intended for.

Have I imagined that?
 

Given the H and C meeting seemed to be run by Dave Barton with help from the SLO I really can’t see why it needs a neutral venue.

I would like to see regular events with some perhaps pre planned questions chaired by a neutral, perhaps a BBC guy. If people want in depth answers to questions I can see no reason why the top table shouldn’t be given prior notice of those questions, so that in depth and perhaps more meaningful answers can be provided.

For people who aren’t used to speaking in front of a crowd it can be quite intimidating to do it for the first time, so it’s easy to see that some of the questions rambled on or didn’t seem to have a focused point to make.

There is definitely logic to that, and to many it's much easier to voice a certain opinion on here than face to face with someone in a room 

 

[Alessandro]

13 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

True but at a ticketed event it's the luck of the draw who gets the tickets, or should be anyway.

I don't know why it's held at the H&C, on a non match day, with a limit of 200.

The Q&A's I've attended were all held under the Dolman, a huge space as was. A couple were in the evening like the H&C but crucially not ticketed so anyone could turn up. Most though were either at 1pm before a match, or on an open day, so masses of fans were at the ground anyway.

You could organise beforehand as much as you like these days to get the right people there asking the right questions but under the current format no guarantee any of them would get tickets.

Btw, as I've said previously it was always an easy ride for the panel, there again none of the Q&A's were held at a controversial time for the club like this last one, more like an excited audience to 'welcome Steve Coppell', or those attending were charmed by GJ and Colin Sexstone. Even SL was smiley and forthcoming in those days!

 

Yep, may not be a complete controlling of tickets, but it was certainly well “stage managed” in their favour. 
 

R.E draw of tickets - what I mean is, if it was a bit more organised on here, we could all apply and give any tickets to those who might be good at asking the right questions in advance. 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 hour ago, Alessandro said:

Yep, may not be a complete controlling of tickets, but it was certainly well “stage managed” in their favour. 
 

R.E draw of tickets - what I mean is, if it was a bit more organised on here, we could all apply and give any tickets to those who might be good at asking the right questions in advance. 

Decent idea. 

@phantom I wonder if it could be put to the club that upstairs in the Hen isn't a large enough venue. The 200 tickets went in a matter of minutes didn't they? 

I don't see why it couldn't be double that number in a different venue. 

More numbers might encourage some more interesting questions. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

7 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Decent idea. 

@phantom I wonder if it could be put to the club that upstairs in the Hen isn't a large enough venue. The 200 tickets went in a matter of minutes didn't they? 

I don't see why it couldn't be double that number in a different venue. 

More numbers might encourage some more interesting questions. 

They went much quicker this year than last. Maybe more tickets were available?

I think I managed to get one last year days after..suppose we had a more stable structure in situ in 2022.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Another one for @OliOTIB

In terms of a hypothetical Atyeo 70-30 split

Says 3,980 for rugby and 3,734 for football after Segregation.

This is a reported Atyeo capacity. Then the problem of rejigging comes abour if promoted, 10% of capacity or 3k, whichever is lower and what if the theoretical 15% for FA Cup games?

Would work in the League ie Championship, FA Cup seems a bigger issue. Albeit our max Atyeo capacity for football seems like 3.4-3.5k atm anyway.

[phantom]

46 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Decent idea. 

@phantom I wonder if it could be put to the club that upstairs in the Hen isn't a large enough venue. The 200 tickets went in a matter of minutes didn't they? 

I don't see why it couldn't be double that number in a different venue. 

More numbers might encourage some more interesting questions. 

Certainly will raise it