chinapig Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 40 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Youd have thought that based on his performance levels in our midfield he’s been poorly treated from a selection point of view. And he seems to be a good fit for the type of football Manning apparently wants to play. Certainly a better fit than Williams. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, RedRoss said: It's more the condescending comments of 'tombola' I'm referring too. You do sometimes make good points and I actually agree TGH shouldn't have been dropped. However, you do so without context i.e Manning is working out his best team so rotation will happen because he's literally managed us for a month. During his time with us 80% of the team is the same week in week out partly due to availability. You then follow up with tunnel vision arguments/comments always positioned in a negative way towards Manning. You never seem to provide balance to any of your posts and it completely undermines the sensible parts. But as Dave said above, when a player, especially one that's been performing well gets dropped without any reasons given then its going to provide a talking point. You may not like it but everything Manning does and doesn't do is in the spotlight due to the circumstances around his arrival. That's just the way it is and the only way to change that is with results. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, chinapig said: And he seems to be a good fit for the type of football Manning apparently wants to play. Certainly a better fit than Williams. Yep, that’s the bit I don’t get. I’d argue it should be more a toss-up between Jamo and Joe, who partners TGH, although Jamo has been a constant when fit…and does a lot of unforeseen work. But we did see TGH and Joe for the last 20 yesterday. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transfer reader Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 58 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think @W-S-M Seagull makes a valid (albeit sarcastic) point re TGH. He’s twice been left out by LM. QPR - LM’s first game, so you kinda accept his logic Huddersfield - yep, can understand rotation with 3 games in a week, but then missed Blackburn too. Youd have thought that based on his performance levels in our midfield he’s been poorly treated from a selection point of view. But we don't know whether there's been a need to manage his minutes from an injury risk point of view or even just freshness for the next game. Or TGH not showing it in training etc. There's several reasons why these things can happen, just saying "tombola" and from someone who refuses to give Manning any credit in any of their other posts then I disagree. It's angry man yells at clouds. If the point had been coming from someone capable of nuance and balance (and not just saying tombola, all capsed and spaced out in an obnoxious manner) then it wouldn't have got pulled up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 48 minutes ago, Gratz260689 said: Goals conceded is down to the defenders, up until yesterday I’d imagine his saves per match is the lowest, he’s been at fault for a fair few goals this season, just lucky we haven’t got good enough back up to challenge him!! Nope. He's got some of the best figures in the division this season. O'Leary has the 4th highest total number of saves in the division this season, and the 3rd best save percentage. He's been busy as well - he's faced the 6th highest number of shots on target. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, chinapig said: And he seems to be a good fit for the type of football Manning apparently wants to play. Certainly a better fit than Williams. Agreed. But Williams has played well when he's come in. Nothing but rotation as I see it, no favourtism and no unfair selections whatsoever, we also don't have access to the players fitness levels which, given all the tech available, the manager will have. Having said all that, I'd have TGH start every game if it were possible. Edited December 17, 2023 by bcfc01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, transfer reader said: But we don't know whether there's been a need to manage his minutes from an injury risk point of view or even just freshness for the next game. Or TGH not showing it in training etc. There's several reasons why these things can happen, just saying "tombola" and from someone who refuses to give Manning any credit in any of their other posts then I disagree. It's angry man yells at clouds. If the point had been coming from someone capable of nuance and balance (and not just saying tombola, all capsed and spaced out in an obnoxious manner) then it wouldn't have got pulled up. We all accept that. But, If you listen to LM’s answers to questions on this, it’s fairly evident TGH has been “unfortunate” to miss-out, he kinda admits it. There has been no comments on fatigue / fitness, which he’s used openly about Sykes, Knight and Weimann. I think some of you are just jumping at everything @W-S-M Seagull posts. If you read them, you’ll see plenty of explanation about what he posts and much of it is fair from his opinion. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelton Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 And he's only what? A year older than Alex Scott? Loved that dummy turn he did in front of the Lansdown in the 2st half 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, Gimme Shelton said: And he's only what? A year older than Alex Scott? Loved that dummy turn he did in front of the Lansdown in the 2st half He's a good player who's popular with his team mates and the fans, so they're bound to get rid of him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Monaghan Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 2 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: T O M B O L A WHY DONT YOU PAY A FIVER TO BECOME A SUBSCRIBER CONSIDERING HOW MUCH TIME YOU LIVE ON HERE? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 It’s going to be interesting to see if the new wage budget will be extended & some of the nest egg used next month . Manning was asked last week what part of the pitch he was looking to strengthen & he did hint on midfield & forward positions. If they’re going to be better than we already have then it’ll cost . He also mentioned we needed more depth , which we do . So can’t see anyone leaving 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, Davefevs said: We all accept that. I think some of you are just jumping at everything @W-S-M Seagull posts. If you read them, you’ll see plenty of explanation about what he posts and much of it is fair from his opinion. This. Jury is out and why not? Cosy old Bristol City accept any old shit if its spooned out by the Lansdowns and Sid. I dont know the fella but hes clearly a fan who knows NP isnt coming back and wilk back LM when he earns his wages. I genuinely see no LM haters so no need for things to be so polarised. He is fair game like any player or the hierarchy. Nothing wrong with that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 I am surprised nobody has suggested this before but Manningball when it finally comes to fruition will seemingly deny the opposition possession which will naturally dry up, or at the very least, greatly reduce attempts on goal. It is the general consensus on here that Max is a very good shot stopper but his distribution leaves a lot to be desired. As Manningball becomes more successful the former quality will become less important and the latter more. It seems to me to be a no brainer to thus try TGH between the sticks as he has a special talent for pinging the ball around with accuracy and precision. This will further decrease opportunities for our opponents to obtain possession thus further limiting their attempts on goal. By all accounts, each time TGH has picked up his wage packet he has yet to drop it, so that shows promise. Of course, this bold move would necessitate Manningball being extremely successful. On the odd occasion the opponents mustered enough possession to pose a threat, such as winning a corner etc, then Max could be quickly subbed on then off again when the danger was averted. I truly believe in about twenty years this will be the norm for most clubs and goalkeepers will be an even more specialised position confined to the bench and only called upon when briefly needed. The coach who first implements it and gives it his name will be hailed a tactical genius. When asked how he came up with such a revolutionary idea he will say that he had nothing to do one Sunday afternoon and just surfed football clubs fora around the net. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Gratz260689 said: O’Leary on the basis of yesterday? He’s been poor all season up until yesterday!! Who you playing in goal instead ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Redrascal2 said: O'Leary is first name on the team sheet because there is no competition. And I am sure my memory fails me but when was the last time he was left out. I know 1 hour ago, Super said: I would add Knight as well. Yes of course. TGH down to 5th name on team sheet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gol Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Gratz260689 said: Goals conceded is down to the defenders, up until yesterday I’d imagine his saves per match is the lowest, he’s been at fault for a fair few goals this season, just lucky we haven’t got good enough back up to challenge him!! He has saved the 5th most shots in the Champ so far this season and has the 3rd highest save to shot ratio https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/keepers/Championship-Stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 1 hour ago, bcfc01 said: Agreed. But Williams has played well when he's come in. Really? Funny how we all see a different game. I don't rate him and would definitely be letting him go when his contract ends. James is a harder decision but on balance I just feel his lack of pace and energy would mean I'd be looking to release him too. Frees up space for LM to sign players and help the transition to 'his' team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 1 hour ago, chinapig said: And he seems to be a good fit for the type of football Manning apparently wants to play. Certainly a better fit than Williams. Yes. Manning just needs to start him regularly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 Love his willingness to drive forward towards the box and shoot (with power) from distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said: Really? Funny how we all see a different game. I don't rate him and would definitely be letting him go when his contract ends. James is a harder decision but on balance I just feel his lack of pace and energy would mean I'd be looking to release him too. Frees up space for LM to sign players and help the transition to 'his' team. I'm not a fan of Williams, just saying he's played well since coming back from injury. I think TGH has given him a lot of competition and he may be responding to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Port Said Red said: It is because we are limited to 90+ minutes for our information. We don't know what's happening in training, whether he is carrying injury or any of the other things the manager will base his selections on. I also don't understand this obsession that some of our fans have with starting eleven's, football hasn't been an 11 man game for a good 10 years or more, every player in the squad knows they potentially have a part to play on match day. If TGH wasn't getting in the squad, that would be harder to understand. Well said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Gratz260689 said: O’Leary on the basis of yesterday? He’s been poor all season up until yesterday!! Find me a Championship keeper without limitations. They get patched pretty quickly (see Kaminski at Blackburn). Shocked nobody has gone in for the Rotherham keeper Johansson yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted December 17, 2023 Report Share Posted December 17, 2023 4 hours ago, transfer reader said: If Manning gave £100 to everyone who went to the next home game you'd criticise him for it still. You're beyond ridiculous at this point. To be fair,, dropping tgh for williams was/is an absolutely ridiculous decision, only justified if tgh was injured, which he certainly didnt look when he was brought in… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathandao Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 20 hours ago, Jose said: Like him. No idea why he was dropped. Not sure there was any need to shout in the keepers face when he earned the pen. Not sure if there was previous between them but not a great look. Read somewhere that it was due to the keeper's reaction from the first penalty appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 16 hours ago, bcfc01 said: I'm not a fan of Williams, just saying he's played well since coming back from injury. I think TGH has given him a lot of competition and he may be responding to it. To me Williams and James are too similar in their style of play and TGH brings an alternative as we saw on Saturday. None of us know why Manning doesn’t start him every match assuming he’s fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 19 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Absolutely delighted with the 3 points yesterday and partied long into the night about it. This is actually pretty camp - and we need plenty more of that on OTIB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: This is actually pretty camp - and we need plenty more of that on OTIB. Good morning PF and happy Monday to you. Mondays are always better following a victory aren't they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Robbored said: None of us know why Manning doesn’t start him every match assuming he’s fit. We are not allowed to speak about this Robbo. If we do speak about it we get labelled with having an agenda. We must not question why one of our best performing players of late has been dropped a few times. We must instead blindly support. We most certainly must not point out that without TGH and his performances Manning would be in a right pickle right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southport Red Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 21 hours ago, Curr Avon said: W H Y? Because he was MOTM and scored a worldie a couple of weeks ago and was dropped for the next game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 18, 2023 Report Share Posted December 18, 2023 22 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Mondays are always better following a victory aren't they? Definitely if it means we're going to read less of your pub-bore negative BS all week 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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