bcfc01 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, petehinton said: If he does go back there on loan, It screams of “we know we’re going nowhere this season” Screams of a summer signing brought forward to me with the loan back enabling the deal. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 To be honest, if the only way we can get the deal done is by agreeing to the loan, then we've still got a deal done ahead of the summer. It's not ideal and I'm sure it's not what the club initially pushed for but it's still good business in my opinion. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Actually ok with the deal if it happens. Bringing one of our summer targets in earlier to secure his services. Didn’t LM or someone say we might bring in a target earlier. Or am I wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 8 minutes ago, Rocky said: Give it a couple of weeks and cancel the loan. Not possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Deal with a loan back....bet he gets a year long injury in his last game for DCFC. Can see it coming. A danger of this approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: How about Piercy? He's spoken as well.. 17:31JAMES PIERCY Whoa, that escalated quickly City have agreed a deal for Max Bird which will see him loaned back to Derby for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Just now, HappyClapper said: Under 24 so I’m guessing there will be compensation due. It would be a lot less versus a fee and apparently loan back for rest of the season Our midfield is going to be decent next season and I like what the club are doing by going out and buying young talented players that will not only increase in value but also bring a lot more energy, drive and ambition as well as talent 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, bcfc01 said: He's spoken as well.. 17:31JAMES PIERCY Whoa, that escalated quickly City have agreed a deal for Max Bird which will see him loaned back to Derby for the rest of the season. Serious question.... Ashton, gone. Gould, gone. Alexander, gone. So who within the hierarchy is now in charge of negotiating transfers? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Didn’t Manning hint he wanted somebody in for tomorrow’s game. I assumed it was Bird… but not now after seeing the terms of that deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 (edited) Just now, Galley is our king said: Serious question.... Ashton, gone. Gould, gone. Alexander, gone. So who within the hierarchy is now in charge of negotiating transfers? Tinnion + a finance bod I assume Edited February 1 by Rocky 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Percy says a good fee. Time will tell as to what that might mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Wonder what sort of reception he will get from their fans. Especially if things start to go south. On the other hand could be in the same league next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 That’s actually a really sensible deal. We want the player and the risk is that if Derby go up he decides to stay there Derby want promotion above all else so wouldn’t want to let the player go We’d have to pay compensation in the summer. So, what we do is offer Derby a bit more than the likely compensation figure in the summer to take out the possibility of the deal being off and allow him to stay. Removes our risk of the deal being off in the summer and lets them achieve their aim of keeping him for a promotion push. The alternate would have been a silly offer for him to come here now into a team that’s not going up or down. I think it’s a decently constructed deal on the whole. Long term view taken and allows securing of a summer target. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Smart recruiting, getting in ahead of everyone else in the summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 49 minutes ago, Rocky said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68019786 Max Bird: Derby would need 'mind blowing offer' to let midfielder leave - Paul Warne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 A weird one on every level We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF, monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money. From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years? WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD Only winners are Derby here 2 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 It’s good business. We get a very talented player that will improve us. He would have required compensation in the summer anyway. This way we beat the queue of competitors. Am I right in thinking he was once linked to Chelsea for around £8m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said: That’s actually a really sensible deal. We want the player and the risk is that if Derby go up he decides to stay there Derby want promotion above all else so wouldn’t want to let the player go We’d have to pay compensation in the summer. So, what we do is offer Derby a bit more than the likely compensation figure in the summer to take out the possibility of the deal being off and allow him to stay. Removes our risk of the deal being off in the summer and lets them achieve their aim of keeping him for a promotion push. The alternate would have been a silly offer for him to come here now into a team that’s not going up or down. I think it’s a decently constructed deal on the whole. Long term view taken and allows securing of a summer target. Bingo and it allows us not to be blown out of the water in the summer by a relegated prem team or something too. It is smart business imo. Obviously depending on the fee too but if it guarantees a signature from possibly out top summer target then it makes sense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class not gas Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 I'm sure they would get compensation as he's under 23, not 100% sure though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Looks a tidy signing, this. Appreciate OOC in the Summer but get it done and confirmed now, no potential hijack to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said: A weird one on every level We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF, monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money. From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years? WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD Only winners are Derby here Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said: A weird one on every level We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF, monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money. From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years? WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD Only winners are Derby here We wouldn't have got him for free in the summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Just now, cidercity1987 said: A weird one on every level We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF, monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money. From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years? WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD Only winners are Derby here We wouldn’t be getting him for nothing in the summer. The amount of games he’s played already, Derby would have been due a hefty compensation sum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: That’s actually a really sensible deal. We want the player and the risk is that if Derby go up he decides to stay there Derby want promotion above all else so wouldn’t want to let the player go We’d have to pay compensation in the summer. So, what we do is offer Derby a bit more than the likely compensation figure in the summer to take out the possibility of the deal being off and allow him to stay. Removes our risk of the deal being off in the summer and lets them achieve their aim of keeping him for a promotion push. The alternate would have been a silly offer for him to come here now into a team that’s not going up or down. I think it’s a decently constructed deal on the whole. Long term view taken and allows securing of a summer target. Don’t really see what’s in it for the player, must be a decent contract offer? It’s good for us as it’s secured someone who we clearly rate, who may have more options / better contract offer / ambition to say after promotion in the summer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 What sort of wages do we pay post Nige's clear out? Derby apparently have a cap of £12k/week which ends in the summer so a fair bit higher than that you'd think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Weird one but could be smart depending on the fee... I've not listened to Mannings presa conference but the narrative on there suggested he was frustrated at a player not signing in time to play tomorrow. Implies another is due unless the terms of this deal were changed last minute to get it done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 (edited) I can actually understand it from our perspective (a number of key potentially high earning midfielders OOC in the summer), and from Derbys perspective too. What’s in it for the player though? Some advantages I suppose (security) but you’d imagine he would have plenty of choice in the summer. Edited February 1 by Kibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewquayRed Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Just now, Kibs said: I can actually understand it from our perspective, and from Derbys. What’s in it for the player though? Some advantages I suppose (security) but you’d imagine he would have plenty of choice in the summer. Perhaps he rates us, our manager and our chances next season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, MarcusX said: Don’t really see what’s in it for the player, must be a decent contract offer? It’s good for us as it’s secured someone who we clearly rate, who may have more options / better contract offer / ambition to say after promotion in the summer Even he stayed at Derby and got a pay rise that would match our wage offer, he would miss out on a signing on fee, which could be quite a good amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandhurst Red Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 (edited) 8 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: A weird one on every level We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF, monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money. From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years? WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD Only winners are Derby here But he would not be free in the summer. A tribunal would set a fee and we could lose out to another club. If he was a big summer target and we've got it done in Feb, smart business TBH. I agree that the scenario that could play out, where he gets Derby promoted into the league of the club he is about to join, and he still then departs his childhood club, would be odd and almost unprecedented. But then, maybe he wants to try something new and we are offering better contractual terms. If I was a Derby fan, or if a player did that to us - I would be very bemused. However, for us, a great signing. Edited February 1 by Sandhurst Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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