Lew-T Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Hahaha I was only posting what was on the Derby forum. Didn’t know it was gonna cause a shitstorm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Ok, minimal fee then… Do you think we are paying less now than they would get in the summer? Obviously not, but there's a big chance we wouldn't get him in the summer... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 8 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Then wait to the summer and pay nothing then given that’s when we will have him anyway? Why are you so sure he’d sign for us in the summer when he’s a free agent? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 So MB ain’t an attacking midfielder, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Bird Which suggests (based on LM’s comments after Coventry and earlier today) that we might see another incomer later today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Just now, Leveller said: Why are you so sure he’d sign for us in the summer when he’s a free agent? Cus you offer him what he wants, much like why he is signing now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 It looks like we will soon have a Dickie Bird aspect to the team. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Uh, wait.....something needs clarifying about this deal. Why, why, why on earth are we paying a fee now when we could get him on a free in the summer? 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 57 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: That’s actually a really sensible deal. We want the player and the risk is that if Derby go up he decides to stay there Derby want promotion above all else so wouldn’t want to let the player go We’d have to pay compensation in the summer. So, what we do is offer Derby a bit more than the likely compensation figure in the summer to take out the possibility of the deal being off and allow him to stay. Removes our risk of the deal being off in the summer and lets them achieve their aim of keeping him for a promotion push. The alternate would have been a silly offer for him to come here now into a team that’s not going up or down. I think it’s a decently constructed deal on the whole. Long term view taken and allows securing of a summer target. Suspect this might be covered in pages I’ve not yet read… I’d add we might’ve also taken a bit off the fee we wanted to pay to make him ours now, to loan him back. 54 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: A weird one on every level We pay a fee for a player we could get for free in the summer and then loan him back so he doesn't even play for us in the period he's cost so much? WTF, monumental waste of money and don't forget 5 months ago, I am sure we were one attacking midfielder away from a play off challenging team. Pearson denied the money. From the players perspective Derby could get promoted and then he has to leave his boyhood team of 13 years? WEIRD WEIRD WEIRD Only winners are Derby here I refer the learned gentleman to the case of Chiedozie Ogbene in January 2023. Mr Ogbene, aged 25, of The New York Stadium was OOC on 30th June 2023, whereupon he would be entitled to register for another club with no fee. Bristol City tried to sign him in January 2023 for a fee despite knowing they wouldn’t have to pay anything for him in July. However Bristol City didn’t want to risk waiting til June 1st to commence contract negotiations with Mr Ogbene, because they thought other suitors might offer more attractive terms, higher division football than Bristol City could. However, Rotherham United decided not to sell in January. Mr Ogbene joined Premier League Luton Town on 1st July 2023. +++++ As others have pointed out, Bird isn’t free either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: Someone put a finger in their finger, put it on the internet and now repeated on here - so its a fact I mean I’m not averse to criticising the hierarchy but signing a player BEFORE your competition gets in a few months down the line is a bit of a soft stick to beat the club with. Bearing in mind that two players we were after in the last fortnight signed for other Championship clubs. I’d say the hierarchy have been smart on this occasion. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 10 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Then wait to the summer and pay nothing then given that’s when we will have him anyway? We may not be the only ones interested in the summer if he’s free, and risk getting outbid. Seems sensible business on reflection 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Cus you offer him what he wants, much like why he is signing now You offer him what he wants then someone offers him £250k per year more. What then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Suspect this might be covered in pages I’ve not yet read… I’d add we might’ve also taken a bit off the fee we wanted to pay to make him ours now, to loan him back. I refer the learned gentleman to the case of Chiedozie Ogbene in January 2023. Mr Ogbene, aged 25, of The New York Stadium was OOC on 30th June 2023, whereupon he would be entitled to register for another club with no fee. Bristol City tried to sign him in January 2023 for a fee despite knowing they wouldn’t have to pay anything for him in July. However Bristol City didn’t want to risk waiting til June 1st to commence contract negotiations with Mr Ogbene, because they thought other suitors might offer more attractive terms, higher division football than Bristol City could. However, Rotherham United decided not to sell in January. Mr Ogbene joined Premier League Luton Town on 1st July 2023. +++++ As others have pointed out, Bird isn’t free either. I understand buying in January but I bet we weren't planning to loan Ogbene back to Rotherham ! That's the weird aspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 48 minutes ago, BCFCGav said: Then he has to refuse to play. What are they gonna do, terminate the loan? As he will be our player we have some rights to determine his fitness / medical regime. @Lrrr you come across anything at some of the clubs you’ve worked at in the past where you thought duty of care to one of your loan players wasn’t what it should be. Guessing we could have terms to enforce the termination of the loan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I understand buying in January but I bet we weren't planning to loan Ogbene back to Rotherham ! That's the weird aspect Presumably because Derby also have a say at this point in time…. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: I mean I’m not averse to criticising the hierarchy but signing a player BEFORE your competition gets in a few months down the line is a bit of a soft stick to beat the club with. Bearing in mind that two players we were after in the last fortnight signed for other Championship clubs. I’d say the hierarchy have been smart on this occasion. Totally agree, as I said back on the thread, makes very good sense, if its a player we want, then get the business done. The 2.5m seems just a figure banded around for people to get up tight about, but would not be OTIB, if someone was not finding a negative to say 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I understand buying in January but I bet we weren't planning to loan Ogbene back to Rotherham ! That's the weird aspect That was the deal Derby offered us. Sign him and loan him back or he's not signing and you take your chances with other clubs in the summer. We wanted him enough to take what was offered. As others have said the transfer fee will be partially offset by a loan fee anyway. If we never signed Max Bird today nobody would have said a word. If however we were after him in the Summer and got outbid in terms of wages by Watford and Middlesbrough people would be losing their shit with the hierarchy. 10 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, italian dave said: Presumably because Derby also have a say at this point in time…. Well yes. I maintain that without it, the choice was quite possibly pay through the nose or no deal and Derby keep while taking their chances on promotion and a tribunal fee. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 16 minutes ago, Super said: Honestly the state of this thread. Starting to think that perhaps @Robbored has it right 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 We as long as we bring someone else in as well today! Someone who actually stays at the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Its a tactic we used with success to win the race for Josh Stokes, so using again to secure a player we want in the summer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 10 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said: Uh, wait.....something needs clarifying about this deal. Why, why, why on earth are we paying a fee now when we could get him on a free in the summer? Maybe we wouldn't get him in the summer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 10 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said: Cus you offer him what he wants, much like why he is signing now You’re looking at it the wrong way. Max Bird could have ran his contract down and took a bigger signing on fee in the summer. Instead he’s committed himself to Bristol City. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 (edited) The fee intrigues me a bit. Some Derby fans reckon they would've got £2m at tribunal, I guess we will find out what we paid in the fullness of time in the accounts in a couple of years time. Edited February 1 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 7 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I understand buying in January but I bet we weren't planning to loan Ogbene back to Rotherham ! That's the weird aspect 2 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: That was the deal Derby offered us. Sign him and loan him back or he's not signing and you take your chances with other clubs in the summer. We wanted him enough to take what was offered. As others have said the transfer fee will be partially offset by a loan fee anyway. If we never signed Max Bird today nobody would have said a word. If however we were after him in the Summer and got outbid in terms of wages by Watford and Middlesbrough people would be losing their shit with the hierarchy. Yep, 3 parties coming to an amicable compromise. Similar to Josh Stokes but more expensive. +++++ FWIW my guess is that we will be paying around £1m for the “privilege”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said: We as long as we bring someone else in as well today! Someone who actually stays at the club. LM was quoted earlier he was disappointed we had not managed to finalise a deal by lunch time, so a player we are close to signing could have played tomorrow, and confident will be done tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Ska Junkie said: Maybe we wouldn't get him in the summer? Not to mention he wouldn't be free as 15,000 other people on this thread have pointed out but a few still don't get. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The fee intrigues me a bit. Some Derby fans reckon they would've got £2m at tribunal, I guess we will find out what we paid in the fullness of time in the accounts in a couple of years time. He'll be at Bournemouth by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The fee intrigues me a bit. Some Derby fans reckon they would've got £2m at tribunal, I guess we will find out what we paid in the fullness of time in the accounts in a couple of years time. Not likely. Could go to Celtic or Rangers for £300k! That’s the bitch with compo. It’s why we did a deal with Burnley for Massengo. TC is a different ball game, because imho, Celtic or Rangers won’t be able to compete with the kind of clubs interested in him, so the £300k isn’t relevant (prepares dish of rice paper hat for summer 2025). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The fee intrigues me a bit. Some Derby fans reckon they would've got £2m at tribunal, I guess we will find out what we paid in the fullness of time in the accounts in a couple of years time. Plausable. He’s been with them since he was 10, amount of games played plus Derbys category a academy status. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 18 minutes ago, Lew-T said: Hahaha I was only posting what was on the Derby forum. Didn’t know it was gonna cause a shitstorm. They know no more than us. No chance we’re paying £2.5m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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