Silvio Dante Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 (edited) As ever, and has been said, context is important. The key passage starts from 11:45 apx where Liam says “The players..they get the support, they get the work they get the detail and the shift I’ve seen is the players taking accountability. We try to give them everything on setups on corners and goalkicks but the second the game starts it’s very hard for me to effect things in game And genuinely, it isn’t - again, that’s literally his job. Edited March 8 by Silvio Dante 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 29 minutes ago, Alessandro said: He keeps talking about us going in the right direction? A case of "The operation was a great success but the patient died"? 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 (edited) 22 minutes ago, TomThumb84 said: An over-complicator and over-thinking analyser. Does not look at league tables, does not listen to fans, does not show emotion or passion. I do worry about a re-appearance of the grassometer pretty soon. We do lurch from man-managers - Cotts and Nige - to technoheads - SoD, LJ and Manning - with alarming regularity. Warnock next maybes to continue the sequence? Edited March 8 by RedRock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollsRoyce Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 30 minutes ago, Jimbo76 said: Because I think a lot of the vitriol on this forum towards him is based on the fact that Pearson was treated badly, which is nothing to do with Manning whatsoever. That is not true in my opinion . You disagree . But I look at Manning as Manning . He is hopelessly out of his depth . I cannot see how that is linked to Pearson . I do not understand how Pearson made him inept or inadequate . Is Pearson still controlling the team ? Now that would be surreal . 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 57 minutes ago, The Coach said: I think he knows he’s safe and may have had vote of confidence from BT and JL Yep. Because otherwise they got it wrong. ******* shitshow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 32 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: As ever, and has been said, context is important. The key passage starts from 11:45 apx where Liam says “The players..they get the support, they get the work they get the detail and the shift I’ve seen is the players taking accountability. We try to give them everything on setups on corners and goalkicks but the second the game starts it’s very hard for me to effect things in game And genuinely, it isn’t - again, that’s literally his job. What an absolute ***. He knows hes unsackable Sick of the Lansdowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 (edited) Driving home after a match I have been known to pull over before I get to the far side of the Mendip’s to listen to the post match interview - have to say I’ve listened to Mannings boring drivel once only! Once the RB signal dies away I put some music on - I hate arriving home in a bad mood! Edited March 8 by Wrongagain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Wilson Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 54 minutes ago, TomThumb84 said: The air of a man that thinks he knows more than all of us and we are mere observers. An over-complicator and over-thinking analyser. Does not look at league tables, does not listen to fans, does not show emotion or passion. Strikes me as a type that has almost forgotten that football is about scoring more goals than the other team and may be happy with a series of 1-0 defeats for eternity as long as “principles, behaviours, passages of play, and press-points” were adhered to in line with his coaching ethos. Coming across as pretty unrelatable and in complete conflict to what our club needed and needs right now. Unreal mis-read by our shambles of a hierarchy. He’s the epitome of everything that’s wrong with “modern managers”. Thinks footballs played in excel and forgets it’s arguably the simplest game in the world and that’s why we all love it. Gimme someone like Big Ange and his “I’d rather win 4-3 than 1-0, mate” over Manning and the spreadsheet crew any day of the week. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Jimbo76 said: Because I think a lot of the vitriol on this forum towards him is based on the fact that Pearson was treated badly, which is nothing to do with Manning whatsoever. Yea being annoyed with 23 points from 21 games is fully down to the fact Pearson was treated badly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richyy66 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 If you were sat in a changing room listening to that boring **** how would that inspire you to play for him. Basically he can't effect the game and blames everyone but himself. Blokes out of his depth and must be replaced as soon as. Is he really going to take this club forward. There's only one way he's taking us. If not this season then nailed on next season. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Just putting this out there and this may be an alien concept to Manning and his apologists but McKenna clearly impacted the game the other night! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbespm Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 Hardly inspirational is he? How can city run out and want to run through brick walls when he speaks like that?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, TomThumb84 said: The air of a man that thinks he knows more than all of us and we are mere observers. An over-complicator and over-thinking analyser. Does not look at league tables, does not listen to fans, does not show emotion or passion. Strikes me as a type that has almost forgotten that football is about scoring more goals than the other team and may be happy with a series of 1-0 defeats for eternity as long as “principles, behaviours, passages of play, and press-points” were adhered to in line with his coaching ethos. Coming across as pretty unrelatable and in complete conflict to what our club needed and needs right now. Unreal mis-read by our shambles of a hierarchy. LJ was similar but fans gave him space because of the ex player link. Manning has no history or connection with the fans and majority didn’t want him appointed so interviews like this don’t help, he’s not coming across well at all and if we feel that way, what about the players? He needs to go, he is not the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, TomThumb84 said: The air of a man that thinks he knows more than all of us and we are mere observers. An over-complicator and over-thinking analyser. Does not look at league tables, does not listen to fans, does not show emotion or passion. Strikes me as a type that has almost forgotten that football is about scoring more goals than the other team and may be happy with a series of 1-0 defeats for eternity as long as “principles, behaviours, passages of play, and press-points” were adhered to in line with his coaching ethos. Coming across as pretty unrelatable and in complete conflict to what our club needed and needs right now. Unreal mis-read by our shambles of a hierarchy. Owners again fail to learn from past mistakes. Whole club is a mess structure wise when Nige did so much to get us on track. Manning out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 7 hours ago, petehinton said: Gotta say, a manager saying once the game starts there’s nothing they can do to impact it is pretty ******* mental. That is sackable in itself. Can’t believe what I have just heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said: That is sackable in itself. Can’t believe what I have just heard. But according to some he didn't actually mean what he said, he meant something else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 1 hour ago, TomThumb84 said: The air of a man that thinks he knows more than all of us and we are mere observers. An over-complicator and over-thinking analyser. Does not look at league tables, does not listen to fans, does not show emotion or passion. Strikes me as a type that has almost forgotten that football is about scoring more goals than the other team and may be happy with a series of 1-0 defeats for eternity as long as “principles, behaviours, passages of play, and press-points” were adhered to in line with his coaching ethos. Coming across as pretty unrelatable and in complete conflict to what our club needed and needs right now. Unreal mis-read by our shambles of a hierarchy. He's the polar opposite of Pearson. The fans bought into Pearson because he spoke sense. His press conferences were like speaking to your knowledgeable mate at the pub. We could all understand and see what he was trying to do with the team and the club. No clichés, no 'coaching' speak. Manning is the opposite, its really sad that it's got to this. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 What he was really saying is: “When the opposition manager changes their team and tactics midway through the match, it’s not my fault that I didn’t consider that option. I can’t be expected to respond to that because that’s not what I planned for. So it’s down to the players to take responsibility for dealing with those changes and if they don’t, it’s their fault not mine.” In other words, I have no Plan B. But then that’s been pretty obvious since he took over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 6 hours ago, Bazooka Joe said: Defeat to Swansea this weekend, and it could be (should be) Manning's swansong. If ever there was a "must win", this is it. No excuses. No if's, no but's or maybe's. Won't be though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, Superjack said: Won't be though. Nope cos it will still be "we beat Southampton just 5 games ago" It's so bloody amateur. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowie Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 Switched off after the first sentence. "yeah I went to the game with the staff to be fair" What is there to be fair about? You're expected to be there surely.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 2 hours ago, Wade Wilson said: He’s the epitome of everything that’s wrong with “modern managers”. Thinks footballs played in excel and forgets it’s arguably the simplest game in the world and that’s why we all love it. Gimme someone like Big Ange and his “I’d rather win 4-3 than 1-0, mate” over Manning and the spreadsheet crew any day of the week. Don't shatter my dreams… please! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgrsimon Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 So to sum up; it's all going well apart from the results, so nothing to worry about. I'm glad we cleared that up. Also if you took "like I said" and "to be fair" out, the interview would be about half the length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 He's a great cure for insomnia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 9 hours ago, TomThumb84 said: The air of a man that thinks he knows more than all of us and we are mere observers. An over-complicator and over-thinking analyser. Does not look at league tables, does not listen to fans, does not show emotion or passion. Strikes me as a type that has almost forgotten that football is about scoring more goals than the other team and may be happy with a series of 1-0 defeats for eternity as long as “principles, behaviours, passages of play, and press-points” were adhered to in line with his coaching ethos. Coming across as pretty unrelatable and in complete conflict to what our club needed and needs right now. Unreal mis-read by our shambles of a hierarchy. "Like being managed by a robot " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Fete Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 If the club plan to stick with him they at least need to send him on some urgent media training to at least try and va va vroom a glimmer of charisma into him - I can’t impact the game once the players go on the pitch…..You’re literally the best person in the whole stadium and football club to be able to do that - fan interaction - at least pretend you care and make an effort to explain or engage more than saying you can’t control it. Again, you can…you have the platform in pre and post match press conference’s He just comes across with an arrogance of someone who believes they’ve written the masterplan and absolves all blame if it doesn’t work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 12 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: No. He didn't say that. Problem is, he did. Actually said, we can set the players up for free kicks, corners, thrown ins etc, but when on the pitch he can’t affect it. He’s clearly not saying he can’t affect a game with substitutions or changing formations etc, but what he is saying is, we’ve set the players up and it’s not our fault if they don’t do it. So he’s blaming a top 6 quality squad of players, to divert failings away from himself. Shades of Johnson, as is comments like the processes are more important than the outcomes. He also thinks we are going in the right direction (in terms of processes not outcomes, obviously). In other words he’s saying that he’s improving the “processes” that the previous manager had in place. I’d really like the interviewer to drill down into that and ask him what he’s improving relative to the previous manager. I do agree with @Jimbo76 some of the criticism and negativity is OTT, but fact is blaming players and talking in coaching manual riddles is not a great way to win over the fans. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 5 minutes ago, NickJ said: Problem is, he did. Actually said, we can set the players up for free kicks, corners, thrown ins etc, but when on the pitch he can’t affect it. He’s clearly not saying he can’t affect a game with substitutions or changing formations etc, but what he is saying is, we’ve set the players up and it’s not our fault if they don’t do it. Not defending it, as I think it was a silly thing to say, or at least a silly way to say it. Over the years I have seen plenty of good , even top , Managers say " as soon as they cross the white line it's down to the players" . Pearson said he wanted the players to take responsibility on the pitch . It's similar , but Mannings way of saying it comes across as deflecting blame . It seems to have gone from US , to them and Me . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 18 minutes ago, NickJ said: Problem is, he did. Actually said, we can set the players up for free kicks, corners, thrown ins etc, but when on the pitch he can’t affect it. He’s clearly not saying he can’t affect a game with substitutions or changing formations etc, but what he is saying is, we’ve set the players up and it’s not our fault if they don’t do it. So he’s blaming a top 6 quality squad of players, to divert failings away from himself. He did not say "I can't affect things on the pitch" - which is what I originally challenged. As you say, he was talking about set plays in general, said "...we try to give them everything in terms of setups, and throws, corners, and goal kicks but the second the game starts it's very hard for me to affect things in game..." then he gives a specific example of set pieces. I don't see how that is incorrect, or a "sackable offence" (ffs some people's - not you - hyperbole is off the scale). Should he frame it this way? Publicly saying that the players didn't do their job the way he'd like them to, or in the way that he thinks he has told them to? Maybe not, but fundamentally if he thinks that is what the issue is then I don't see the issue really. 22 minutes ago, NickJ said: He also thinks we are going in the right direction (in terms of processes not outcomes, obviously). In other words he’s saying that he’s improving the “processes” that the previous manager had in place. I’d really like the interviewer to drill down into that and ask him what he’s improving relative to the previous manager. Agree it would be good to explore that, and to hear from him why he feels the processes are, at this stage, more important than the outcomes. I generally agree with the idea behind that statement - that if you get your attitude, methods, discipline, and decision-making consistent and correct, then you set yourself up to deliver a positive outcome. I interpret it as almost a synonym for "preparation is key" or "perfect practice makes perfect". But I'd like to hear his thoughts on it. We see this failing elsewhere in the Club in my opinion. The processes at board and management level are poor, the governance is not good. And so we see bad communication, bad transfer decisions, bad rehab decisions etc. Processes are important in any walk of life. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 15 hours ago, Bazooka Joe said: Defeat to Swansea this weekend, and it could be (should be) Manning's swansong. If ever there was a "must win", this is it. No excuses. No if's, no but's or maybe's. Should we lose tomorrow I wouldn't say he'd get the chop even then. Although with WBA & Leicester to follow, the die is cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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