Markthehorn Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 26 minutes ago, transfer reader said: Chelsea probably wish he had been sent off . It would have given them some sort or excuse for this second half performance. We’d put up more fight ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 My grief Chelsea are terrible, Pochettino must be on borrowed time down there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, Ronnie Sinclair said: My grief Chelsea are terrible, Pochettino must be on borrowed time down there Him and Ten Haag are finished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 Arsenal for me are the best of the three teams and will win it. I can see City slipping up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrytheb Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 On 21/04/2024 at 12:30, Three Lions said: Forget about City v Huddersfield look at each situation and that was miles off look at each incident as unique chuck the law at each incident. You can have your arms out to the side of you if its natural in the laws of the game. Is Grealish making himself unnaturally bigger for what he is doing? Grealish is jumping arms move when you jump. Dont think the ref is miles out and for it to be reviewed it should not be marginal. I dont think it was a penalty too marginal not convinced that is a unnatural position. Wait, so you agree Grealish shouldn't have been a penalty but Wan Bissaka should? Grealish who was stood 10 yards away, with the shot starting from a 'stopped' position so no instinct reaction. When stood in a wall, the arms really really do not need to come out to the side. And to make the VAR decision worse, the fact a goal kick was given, the ref clearly thought the ball didn't hit anything on the way through, with is factually incorrect. On that basis they should, at the very least, inform the ref that ball has hit an arm on its way through, which you must have missed, so probably worth just taking another look. Absolutely terrible use of the VAR process. At least let the ref know it's hit an arm so he can then make a decision based on what actually happened rather than what he missed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 (edited) 11 minutes ago, arrytheb said: Wait, so you agree Grealish shouldn't have been a penalty but Wan Bissaka should? Grealish who was stood 10 yards away, with the shot starting from a 'stopped' position so no instinct reaction. When stood in a wall, the arms really really do not need to come out to the side. And to make the VAR decision worse, the fact a goal kick was given, the ref clearly thought the ball didn't hit anything on the way through, with is factually incorrect. On that basis they should, at the very least, inform the ref that ball has hit an arm on its way through, which you must have missed, so probably worth just taking another look. Absolutely terrible use of the VAR process. At least let the ref know it's hit an arm so he can then make a decision based on what actually happened rather than what he missed. Looking at Bissakas arm positions their? I'm not gospel their natural. VAR has a look at it and evaluates if its a clear and obvious error and if it is not the on fleld decision stands and thats what they went with. When you jump you are allowed to use your arms and using your arms is natural so Grealish's arms moving when he is jumping thats natural and the ball striking a natural arm position for that specific situation = No offence. VAR isnt there to look at goal kicks and thats where the refs on field decision stands again. Edited April 23 by Three Lions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrytheb Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 Just now, Three Lions said: Looking at Bissakas arm positions their? I'm not gospel their natural. VAR has a look at it and evaluates if its a clear and obvious error and if it is not the on fleld decision stands and thats what they went with. When you jump you are allowed to use your arms and using your arms is natural so Grealish's arms moving when he is jumping thats natural and the ball striking a natural arm position for that specific situation = No offence. VAR isnt there to look at goal kicks and thats where the refs on filed decision stands again. Grealish arm 100% isn't in a natural position when jumping in a wall. I know that's my opinion but nothing will change that. I've done it 100s of times and I've never stuck my arm out. Because there is literally no need to do it unless trying to make yourself 'bigger'. Plus the referee did make an obvious error as he said (through actions) that the ball didn't strike anything on the way through. That is factually incorrect. The VAR should have said, hang on a sec, you've given a goal kick as you didn't think it hit anything, it did, it hit an arm. Probably best to take a look just so you can make the decision based on facts. It's not about the corner/goal kick. The ref didn't decide it shouldn't be handball because his arm was in a natural position. He just didn't see it was handball. That is a clear and obvious error. I don't necessarily think the AWB decision is wrong in isolation. And certainly wouldn't expect VAR to overturn as seeing the reply I certainly wouldn't. But it definitely wasn't as obvious as the Grealish one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, arrytheb said: Grealish arm 100% isn't in a natural position when jumping in a wall. I know that's my opinion but nothing will change that. I've done it 100s of times and I've never stuck my arm out. Because there is literally no need to do it unless trying to make yourself 'bigger'. Plus the referee did make an obvious error as he said (through actions) that the ball didn't strike anything on the way through. That is factually incorrect. The VAR should have said, hang on a sec, you've given a goal kick as you didn't think it hit anything, it did, it hit an arm. Probably best to take a look just so you can make the decision based on facts. It's not about the corner/goal kick. The ref didn't decide it shouldn't be handball because his arm was in a natural position. He just didn't see it was handball. That is a clear and obvious error. I don't necessarily think the AWB decision is wrong in isolation. And certainly wouldn't expect VAR to overturn as seeing the reply I certainly wouldn't. But it definitely wasn't as obvious as the Grealish one. Grealish's arm is in a natural position for jumping and for that specific situation, Check law 12. putting your arms behind your back and jumping isnt natural. VAR doesn't look at goal kicks. VAR would look to a potential serious incident missed and review and as they don't goal kick the on field decision stands. If you stick a ? up i will answer it but i'm off posting till the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrytheb Posted April 23 Report Share Posted April 23 I've already said its not about a goal kick, it's about a missed handball. The goalkick is pretty irrelevant in terms of whether var should have been involved. And I made no reference to arms being behind his back, they could very easily be besides him as the other 2 players do. Have a great week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 Not for the Swedish apparently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 I presume here the clubs would have to vote for it to be scrapped. Could that happen? Probably depend on if they have had decisions for or go against them in the last game or two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HengroveReds Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 I know we do anything to moan but that’s so Bristol City complaining about a players teeth cmon now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 On 23/04/2024 at 23:10, arrytheb said: Wait, so you agree Grealish shouldn't have been a penalty but Wan Bissaka should? Grealish who was stood 10 yards away, with the shot starting from a 'stopped' position so no instinct reaction. When stood in a wall, the arms really really do not need to come out to the side. And to make the VAR decision worse, the fact a goal kick was given, the ref clearly thought the ball didn't hit anything on the way through, with is factually incorrect. On that basis they should, at the very least, inform the ref that ball has hit an arm on its way through, which you must have missed, so probably worth just taking another look. Absolutely terrible use of the VAR process. At least let the ref know it's hit an arm so he can then make a decision based on what actually happened rather than what he missed. This is a good point, surely the very definition of a clear and obvious error in that he didn't think the ball hit the arm. He should definitely have been instructed to go and take a look, and then I reckon it would have been a penalty. It's a baffling decision because it suggests VAR have said stick with the onfield decision - which was it didn't even hit the arm, goal kick. It couldn't be any clearer that was a mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 On 23/04/2024 at 23:45, Three Lions said: Grealish's arm is in a natural position for jumping and for that specific situation, Check law 12. putting your arms behind your back and jumping isnt natural. VAR doesn't look at goal kicks. VAR would look to a potential serious incident missed and review and as they don't goal kick the on field decision stands. If you stick a ? up i will answer it but i'm off posting till the weekend. You are missing the point. The ref didn't think it even hit Grealish arm. That is a clear and obvious mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Lions Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 3 hours ago, MarcusX said: You are missing the point. The ref didn't think it even hit Grealish arm. That is a clear and obvious mistake. You can be missing the point VAR can still check for handball as a serious missed incident they looked at it and decided no. On 23/04/2024 at 23:51, arrytheb said: I've already said its not about a goal kick, it's about a missed handball. The goalkick is pretty irrelevant in terms of whether var should have been involved. And I made no reference to arms being behind his back, they could very easily be besides him as the other 2 players do. Have a great week i made a point about the goal kick because you did and its not part of the five ( i think its five without checking) things that can get reviewed under VAR. Arms behind the back was about natural and unnatural arms behind the back is not a natural position to jump. that pic shows arms in differing positions but justifiable by the players movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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22A Posted April 26 Report Share Posted April 26 Just seen on SSN the Swedish FA have rejected VAR as "The majority of clubs and their fans do not want VAR". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC&T Board Members Blagdon red Posted April 26 SC&T Board Members Report Share Posted April 26 1 hour ago, 22A said: Just seen on SSN the Swedish FA have rejected VAR as "The majority of clubs and their fans do not want VAR". Hats off to the Swedish FA for listening to the fans. Our FA could learn a lesson or two from them! Bin VAR! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 28 Report Share Posted April 28 This made me chuckle! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted Friday at 19:23 Report Share Posted Friday at 19:23 Clattenburg has left Forest and the club to be charged by the FA for comments on Twitter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted Friday at 19:39 Report Share Posted Friday at 19:39 A little less heat and a little more light here. https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/may/03/echoes-of-errors-why-has-var-sparked-so-much-fury-this-season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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