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On 21/04/2024 at 12:30, Three Lions said:

Forget about City v Huddersfield look at each situation and that was miles off look at each incident as unique chuck the law at each incident. You can have your arms out to the side of you if its natural in the laws of the game. Is Grealish making himself unnaturally bigger for what he is doing? Grealish is jumping arms move when you jump. Dont think the ref is miles out and for it to be reviewed it should not be marginal. I dont think it was a penalty too marginal not convinced that is a unnatural position. 

Wait, so you agree Grealish shouldn't have been a penalty but Wan Bissaka should?

Grealish who was stood 10 yards away, with the shot starting from a 'stopped' position so no instinct reaction. When stood in a wall, the arms really really do not need to come out to the side. 

And to make the VAR decision worse, the fact a goal kick was given, the ref clearly thought the ball didn't hit anything on the way through, with is factually incorrect. On that basis they should, at the very least, inform the ref that ball has hit an arm on its way through, which you must have missed, so probably worth just taking another look. 

Absolutely terrible use of the VAR process. At least let the ref know it's hit an arm so he can then make a decision based on what actually happened rather than what he missed. 

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11 minutes ago, arrytheb said:

Wait, so you agree Grealish shouldn't have been a penalty but Wan Bissaka should?

Grealish who was stood 10 yards away, with the shot starting from a 'stopped' position so no instinct reaction. When stood in a wall, the arms really really do not need to come out to the side. 

And to make the VAR decision worse, the fact a goal kick was given, the ref clearly thought the ball didn't hit anything on the way through, with is factually incorrect. On that basis they should, at the very least, inform the ref that ball has hit an arm on its way through, which you must have missed, so probably worth just taking another look. 

Absolutely terrible use of the VAR process. At least let the ref know it's hit an arm so he can then make a decision based on what actually happened rather than what he missed. 

Looking at Bissakas arm positions their? I'm not gospel their natural. VAR has a look at it and evaluates if its a clear and obvious error and if it is not the on fleld decision stands and thats what they went with. 

When you jump you are allowed to use your arms and using your arms is natural so Grealish's arms moving when he is jumping thats natural and the ball striking a natural arm position for that specific situation = No offence. VAR isnt there to look at goal kicks and thats where the refs on field decision stands again.  

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Just now, Three Lions said:

Looking at Bissakas arm positions their? I'm not gospel their natural. VAR has a look at it and evaluates if its a clear and obvious error and if it is not the on fleld decision stands and thats what they went with. 

When you jump you are allowed to use your arms and using your arms is natural so Grealish's arms moving when he is jumping thats natural and the ball striking a natural arm position for that specific situation = No offence. VAR isnt there to look at goal kicks and thats where the refs on filed decision stands again.  

Grealish arm 100% isn't in a natural position when jumping in a wall. I know that's my opinion but nothing will change that. I've done it 100s of times and I've never stuck my arm out. Because there is literally no need to do it unless trying to make yourself 'bigger'.

Plus the referee did make an obvious error as he said (through actions) that the ball didn't strike anything on the way through. That is factually incorrect. The VAR should have said, hang on a sec, you've given a goal kick as you didn't think it hit anything, it did, it hit an arm. Probably best to take a look just so you can make the decision based on facts. It's not about the corner/goal kick. The ref didn't decide it shouldn't be handball because his arm was in a natural position. He just didn't see it was handball. That is a clear and obvious error.

I don't necessarily think the AWB decision is wrong in isolation. And certainly wouldn't expect VAR to overturn as seeing the reply I certainly wouldn't. But it definitely wasn't as obvious as the Grealish one. 

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1 minute ago, arrytheb said:

Grealish arm 100% isn't in a natural position when jumping in a wall. I know that's my opinion but nothing will change that. I've done it 100s of times and I've never stuck my arm out. Because there is literally no need to do it unless trying to make yourself 'bigger'.

Plus the referee did make an obvious error as he said (through actions) that the ball didn't strike anything on the way through. That is factually incorrect. The VAR should have said, hang on a sec, you've given a goal kick as you didn't think it hit anything, it did, it hit an arm. Probably best to take a look just so you can make the decision based on facts. It's not about the corner/goal kick. The ref didn't decide it shouldn't be handball because his arm was in a natural position. He just didn't see it was handball. That is a clear and obvious error.

I don't necessarily think the AWB decision is wrong in isolation. And certainly wouldn't expect VAR to overturn as seeing the reply I certainly wouldn't. But it definitely wasn't as obvious as the Grealish one. 

Grealish's arm is in a natural position for jumping and for that specific situation, Check law 12. putting your arms behind your back and jumping isnt natural. 

VAR doesn't look at goal kicks. VAR would look  to a potential serious incident missed and review and as they don't goal kick the on field decision stands.

If you stick a ? up i will answer it but i'm off posting till the weekend.

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I've already said its not about a goal kick, it's about a missed handball. The goalkick is pretty irrelevant in terms of whether var should have been involved. 

And I made no reference to arms being behind his back, they could very easily be besides him as the other 2 players do. 

 

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On 23/04/2024 at 23:10, arrytheb said:

Wait, so you agree Grealish shouldn't have been a penalty but Wan Bissaka should?

Grealish who was stood 10 yards away, with the shot starting from a 'stopped' position so no instinct reaction. When stood in a wall, the arms really really do not need to come out to the side. 

And to make the VAR decision worse, the fact a goal kick was given, the ref clearly thought the ball didn't hit anything on the way through, with is factually incorrect. On that basis they should, at the very least, inform the ref that ball has hit an arm on its way through, which you must have missed, so probably worth just taking another look. 

Absolutely terrible use of the VAR process. At least let the ref know it's hit an arm so he can then make a decision based on what actually happened rather than what he missed. 

This is a good point, surely the very definition of a clear and obvious error in that he didn't think the ball hit the arm.

He should definitely have been instructed to go and take a look, and then I reckon it would have been a penalty.

It's a baffling decision because it suggests VAR have said stick with the onfield decision - which was it didn't even hit the arm, goal kick. It couldn't be any clearer that was a mistake.

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On 23/04/2024 at 23:45, Three Lions said:

Grealish's arm is in a natural position for jumping and for that specific situation, Check law 12. putting your arms behind your back and jumping isnt natural. 

VAR doesn't look at goal kicks. VAR would look  to a potential serious incident missed and review and as they don't goal kick the on field decision stands.

If you stick a ? up i will answer it but i'm off posting till the weekend.

You are missing the point.

The ref didn't think it even hit Grealish arm. That is a clear and obvious mistake.

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3 hours ago, MarcusX said:

You are missing the point.

The ref didn't think it even hit Grealish arm. That is a clear and obvious mistake.

You can be missing the point VAR can still check for handball as a serious missed incident they looked at it and decided no.

On 23/04/2024 at 23:51, arrytheb said:

I've already said its not about a goal kick, it's about a missed handball. The goalkick is pretty irrelevant in terms of whether var should have been involved. 

And I made no reference to arms being behind his back, they could very easily be besides him as the other 2 players do. 

 

Have a great week 🍻

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i made a point about the goal kick because you did and its not part of the five ( i think its five without checking) things that can get reviewed under VAR. Arms behind the back was about natural and unnatural arms behind the back is  not a natural position to jump. that pic shows arms in differing positions but justifiable by the players movement. 

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1 hour ago, 22A said:

Just seen on SSN the Swedish FA have rejected VAR as "The majority of clubs and their fans do not want VAR".

Hats off to the Swedish FA for listening to the fans.

Our FA could learn a lesson or two from them!

Bin VAR!

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