lukejones2 Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Personally I would never vote blue, but I do think that Michael Howard is fighting a fairly good battle.I genuinely believe that he would put in place the promises that he is making. This is proof that his campaign so far is working! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 And you're thinking of voting conservative?????????? You've just answered your own question for f@(ks sake! Jesus Christ, I thought the young naive first time voters may need warning off, but if you actually remember how poo is was.............well I recommend you don't go there again!Just to spell it out to everyone...DON'T VOTE CONSERVATIVE........they f@(ked us up quite recently and they'll do it again if you let em.←Um.... I vote Blue and thats the biggest load of rubbish I have ever seen, Howard was Home Secatary under Maggie and not chancellor. Also can I add that all the three main partys are implementing Thatcher economic policy (You are living in the legacy of this woman? Tory Blair is not called that for the fact that he's a hard wing solcialist, it's because he's nicked so many tory policies annd implemented them himself). So before you slate a great women please talk fact first then I can correct you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I'm going to vote labour not because I particularly like them, I have a serious problem with the rampant political correctness, over-regulated, speedcamera mania, non-"offensive", risk averse, Health and safety, feminised, litigation obsessed, war on terror pseudo america they have allowed this country to turn into.BUTI cannot bring myself to vote Tory (I remember the Thatcher years and was on the dole for some of them)ANDI'm not really sure what the Lib Dems stand for apart from giving more money to whinging students and I'm not going to vote for that !Maybe I'll vote for the "let's have another party" party after all ! I should add that under no circumstances would I ever vote for a labour local councillor though - they are a bunch of muppets who have no idea how to go about running a city for the benefit of the MAJORITY of its residents. ←Ok Thatcher was in the past but can you not remember the solid economy that Labour inherited and were to scared to mess with for the first 2 years of their rain. You cant balme the Torie's for global econimic changes that effect the world not just us (you can blame em for the EMU bugger up, but thats why there euro sceptic now)Do it Vote Blue you know it's the right thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Ok Thatcher was in the past but can you not remember the solid economy that Labour inherited and were to scared to mess with for the first 2 years of their rain. You cant balme the Torie's for global econimic changes that effect the world not just us (you can blame em for the EMU bugger up, but thats why there euro sceptic now)Do it Vote Blue you know it's the right thing...←Just out of interest, what exactly is the Conservatives' current economic policy? All I've heard Michael Howard do for the last few weeks is bang on about immigration and gypsy camps. Where is Oliver Letwin, why isn't he making high profile speeches about how the economy would function under the Conservatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 The economy is boring, far better to chat about gypos, asylum seekers and the evil socialists and liberals.Andy, did you do anything for St Georges day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Gows' Tash Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Ok Thatcher was in the past but can you not remember the solid economy that Labour inherited and were to scared to mess with for the first 2 years of their rain. You cant balme the Torie's for global econimic changes that effect the world not just us (you can blame em for the EMU bugger up, but thats why there euro sceptic now)Do it Vote Blue you know it's the right thing...←Most of the harm the tories did were things within their control - High unemployment was directly caused by the decimation of the manufacturing base which many parts of the country never recovered from, the poll tax, privatisation of the railways and hospital cleaning I could go on....Ok so sky high interest rates, negative equity and house repossesions were't within their direct control but they did little to stop them or help the people affected. Tory government is characterised by protecting the wealth of the top 10% whilst keeping the poor and the disadvantaged in their place - I'm not a socialist by any stretch of the imagination but I'm not going to vote for blatant social injustice which is how I remember 18 years of Tory government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Went to the Dongs..........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Andy, did you do anything for St Georges day?←Got up, had a bath, drove to Milton Keynes, watched a football game, drove home, had a Chinese takeaway, watched Match of the Day, the end.What should I have done? Slain a dragon or two?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Got up, had a bath, drove to Milton Keynes, watched a football game, drove home, had a Chinese takeaway, watched Match of the Day, the end.What should I have done? Slain a dragon or two?!←Maybe cooked a traditional English meal, gone to the pub with friends and had some English Ale.Celebraight being English in essence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Maybe cooked a traditional English meal, gone to the pub with friends and had some English Ale.Celebraight being English in essence.←That's celebrate, not celebraight. And why on earth should I mark St George's Day? Nobody else in this flippin' country does, so why are you picking on me? Anyway, what's more English than driving hundreds of miles to watch a hopeless football match? I stopped for fish and chips on the way up if that makes me more of an Englishman in your eyes. Oh, by the way, check my surname - most of my family are actually Welsh anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 But people ARE starting to mark the event.It's a great oppertunity to sample English fare, for example, drag yourself from the North London ghettos and get to a farmers market somewhere. Support local food producers for the day.OR go to the fishmarket in London and buy some fresh seafood.And picking up on spelling? tut tut that's cheap - But as your a taff it's starting to make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 But as your a taff it's starting to make sense.←Trust a Tory to resort to cheap racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Trust a liberal to take regional banter and turn it into racism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 Trust a liberal to take regional banter and turn it into racism ← I'm not a liberal, I just don't share the Tory party's extreme right wing views regarding race issues, and I wish they'd talk about something which is actually of relevance to the British people for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bcfcsols Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 The Guardian is widely regarded as one of the most accomplished and influential newspapers in the World.←and so is The Sun! And think about how much b******s come out of that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I'm not a liberal, I just don't share the Tory party's extreme right wing views regarding race issues, and I wish they'd talk about something which is actually of relevance to the British people for a change.←But immigration and assylum ARE of huge relevance to Britain.I would rather they tackle Labour on the EU (Which I seem to remember you support?) which would hammer them for votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I'm not a liberal, I just don't share the Tory party's extreme right wing views regarding race issues, and I wish they'd talk about something which is actually of relevance to the British people for a change.←yes, the tories are promoting extreme right wing race issues, ok, has the thought that Micheal Howard's family are of a jewish background sprung to mind, or did you forget that?. Yeh, i'm surprised that he aint going for the position of the BNP considering his extreme right wing issues. Course, what have extreme right wing parties ever done to the Jewish faith??? btw, immigration is important to the British people, otherwise we would not be having this conversation. Why do you think there has been a rise in UKIP and BNP support if immigration wasn't an issue??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 btw, has anyone seen SuicidalRed's signature??It's got Jesus on the cross stopping footballs going into a net with the slogan "Jesus Saves".ok, some will find it funny, but i take offence to that. I'm a catholic and we live in a Christian dominated society (traditionally}If i were to mock the Muslim leader, Bin Laden aint it???, then i'd be accused of being a racist and racial rants. But because i'm white, its obviously ok to mock it.If MarkReynolds1986 had to take off his "Stop immigration" signature, i think it's only right that suicidalred's should be taken off, other wise you are going against what you believe in... or r u a racist towards the christian belief?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 I find it amazing people can get away with taking the (Am I naughty or what!) out of the christian faith, yet any bad word about muslims is met with horror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I find it amazing people can get away with taking the (Am I naughty or what!) out of the christian faith, yet any bad word about muslims is met with horror.←Screw Christianity and screw Islam. All organised religion is billhooks.That make you feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WillsbridgeRed Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I agree, but feel you are missing the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 PC PC PC ..... I wish you could play games on the sorta PC you get on these forums as it would be great as it's freely banded about.Each to their own I think.... if you want to dedicate your life to a faith system that you'll never find out is a load of bull then fair play it will be too late when you find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 yes, the tories are promoting extreme right wing race issues, ok, has the thought that Micheal Howard's family are of a jewish background sprung to mind, or did you forget that?. Yeh, i'm surprised that he aint going for the position of the BNP considering his extreme right wing issues. Course, what have extreme right wing parties ever done to the Jewish faith??? btw, immigration is important to the British people, otherwise we would not be having this conversation. Why do you think there has been a rise in UKIP and BNP support if immigration wasn't an issue???← Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Yes, what is your point, notice the sarcasm buzzing around the post, or do you really think i was serious??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slave to the rhythm Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Yes, what is your point, notice the sarcasm buzzing around the post, or do you really think i was serious???←Sorry, hit the send button before I actually posted anything.I was just going to make the point that Michael Howard's Jewishness is of absolutely no relevance when discussing whether or not his policies are racist. Robert Mugabe's disgusting persecution of white Zimbabweans is no less racist simply because he is a black man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Sorry, hit the send button before I actually posted anything.I was just going to make the point that Michael Howard's Jewishness is of absolutely no relevance when discussing whether or not his policies are racist. Robert Mugabe's disgusting persecution of white Zimbabweans is no less racist simply because he is a black man.←I agree totally with what you said regarding that Mugaube twunt, however, Racism against white people does not exist (said it before and say it again).However, you did say that the Tories had extreme right wing values. It is not extreme, it's just that we've been under the Labour government for a while now, and people are forgetting how society saw the immigration policy before Labour came into power.i doubt that Howard would consider extreme right wing views, when you consider that the bnp want him out because he is jewish, i expect combat 18 would also have something to say regarding him as well. a bit hypocritical if he were to introduce legislation of such a nature it could be called Nazism, (and rediculous on his part, considering his jewish faith and how the nazi's treated them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilltop red Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I agree totally with what you said regarding that Mugaube twunt, however, Racism against white people does not exist (said it before and say it again).←I ask you to take back your above statement, it is igronant(SP) and distasteful(sp) . Racism can be one derogative comment about the colour of your skin, and it does not only come from the mouths of white people. I hope your above quote was a typo error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I ask you to take back your above statement, it is igronant(SP) and distasteful(sp) . Racism can be one derogative comment about the colour of your skin, and it does not only come from the mouths of white people. I hope your above quote was a typo error.←i am only saying that with regard to Mugaube and his regime, rather than a day to day scenario. (should have said it clearer, i apologise}If the BNP were to (somehow) get into power and murder / force out non-white people, they are / would be seen as racist twunts, which they are.Yet, Mugaube's regime is allowed to stand.... i aint an expert of Zimbabwean politics, but surely if the roles were reversed, it would be disaproved by the UN and that regime would be forced to concede power. No sign of that with MugaubeI would like to hear Bucksred's view as i believe that he is Zimbabwean... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted April 26, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 I am sure the ban on fox hunting will actually win Labour some votes, not lose them. Most normal, well adjusted people passionately hate fox hunting and all that it represents.←I think you will find that most "normal, well adjusted" people are totally indifferent to fox hunting, its just that the anti hunt campaigners are very effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted April 26, 2005 Admin Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Well, having trawled through this thread, I'm still pissed off that my vote will count for nothing, living in South Bristol, the first past the post system means that Dawn Prmarolo will get in, even after her disgraceful sale of government buildings to a tax exiled company.There seems to be only one way to sensibly use a vote, this party has some sound policies. Vote for insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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