Alex_BCFC Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 FFS When have i been racist?I just said these things happen in football and i don't kick up a fuss on a football forum when they do.I didn't say you had been. I just wondered why you think they are acceptable chants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I just said these things happen in footballYou're going round in circles now, don't you think that if we had an Asian player in our squad and he heard people chanting that yesterday he might not have been a little bit upset (and quite rightly too) as I have said before, just because it goes on does not make it ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 and tbh what has my dad got to do with it?Can ask him if you want but hes 6 feet underNothing Nibor brought it up...Surely by saying these chants are OK then you condone racism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beau45 Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 and tbh what has my dad got to do with it?Can ask him if you want but hes 6 feet underErm didnt he break his wrist a few weeks ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 FFS When have i been racist?I just said these things happen in football and i don't kick up a fuss on a football forum when they do.No you didn't, you said that people complaining about racist chants were being preachy, and likened racism to swearing - trivializing it.That makes you ignorant at best.It's not OK, it's not acceptable and it's not right to just ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 It happens nothing you, me or your keyboard can do about it,It happens but it is unacceptbale and there is lots that can be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 and tbh what has my dad got to do with it?Can ask him if you want but hes 6 feet underErm didnt he break his wrist a few weeks ago?So not only are you condoning racism, but it would appear you are a liar on top of that.You have to be pretty low to say your Dad is dead, but then that wouldnt surprise me considering some of the comments you have made in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 It happens nothing you, me or your keyboard can do about it,Yeah, no progress has been made kicking racism out of football has it?What an idiotic thing to say. It's easy to do something about it, the people being racist can simply be reported and banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I tell what you can be done. People like you can stop saying nothing can be done and just accepting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lewis Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Isn't Paki just short for Pakistani ?I think the insult is in the insinuation behind the song not the name.Maybe you should think how many people in the world sing I would rather be a welshman than an englishman.The English are not seen as particularly bright around the world after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Isn't Paki just short for Pakistani ?That is one thing but it is also a derorgatroy word when used by a white person to a person of Pakistani origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Isn't Paki just short for Pakistani ?I think the insult is in the insinuation behind the song not the name.Maybe you should think how many people in the world sing I would rather be a welshman than an englishman.The English are not seen as particularly bright around the world after all.I've never heard a Pakistani refer to themselves as a Paki and I am certain Paki is meant as a derogotary term in that chant. Why so many people are keen to excuse it is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I've never heard a Pakistani refer to themselves as a Paki and I am certain Paki is meant as a derogotary term in that chant. Why so many people are keen to excuse it is beyond me.Wikipedia (for all its faults) suggests that two people from Pakistan do call each other Paki's and this acceptable. It just isn't acceptbale form other race's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lewis Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 That is one thing but it is also a derorgatroy word when used by a white person to a person of Pakistani origin. Not here in Australia it's notbut I do understand that in England it has that connotationHowever England is not the world. I have to wonder what is it about the English that makes them so afraid of different cultures.This is all getting a bit too deep now though so lets get back to the Welsh.And I must warn you my surname is Lewis BAAAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Not here in Australia it's notbut I do understand that in England it has that connotationHowever England is not the world. I have to wonder what is it about the English that makes them so afraid of different cultures.This is all getting a bit too deep now though so lets get back to the Welsh.And I must warn you my surname is Lewis BAAAAThe point is that it was used in England where it does have connatations.It is deep but it has got this far because people are condoning racism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 A quick question to all the posters on therewho found what was said yesturday offensiveWhy havent you contacted the modsto get the tread "These sheep fiddlers" removed?That could be seen in the eyes of the PC brigadeas just as offensiveMy views are that it was just a bit of banterand that ssome people should lighten up a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_man_terry Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Paki is just a shortened version of Pakistani - its literal meaning is 'the pure' - so why should anyone be afraid of being called pure? A native from Kazakhstan is a Kazakh, someone from Uzbekistan is an Uzbek; so why is someone from Pakistan not allowed to be called a Paki?perhaps the song should be changed to "I'd rather be a Kazakh than a taff?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Paki is just a shortened version of Pakistani - its literal meaning is 'the pure' - so why should anyone be afraid of being called pure? A native from Kazakhstan is a Kazakh, someone from Uzbekistan is an Uzbek; so why is someone from Pakistan not allowed to be called a Paki?perhaps the song should be changed to "I'd rather be a Kazakh than a taff?"Tell you what, the next 6 ft plus asian bloke you see, call him a Paki and see if he finds it offensive eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m42 Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Well I cant believe the stewards didnt hear it unless they wear earplugs throughout the game. So why don't they do anything about it? If they hear any racist chanting shouldnt they take action? Some people are too fearful to challenge someone who says these things so they are just as guilty for ignoring it. Last time I reported someone for racist comments on a player in the Ayteo the stewards sat where he was sat the following home match. Of course he wasnt sat there again. These morons should think before they open their mouths. Of course they wont and will continue to do it again in March when we go to Cardiff.Racist chanting needs to be challenged straight after it leaves the gobs of these potato heads. When I was at the Wolves game an ugly, thin, goofy bloke in the row behind & about 10 seats along yelled in the Wolves fans' direction, "Your're just a town of P***s". I "bravely" gave him my "you disgust me look" & then avoided all further eye contact. The steward sat right in front of me & facing the prat went to get up as if to take action, but then changed his mind. We all have a collective responsibility to confront this problem & get it through to these people that racist taunts & chanting is not clever or funny. And yet I know that all over this country people are sending & receiving text jokes that although funny, are still racist & not something you'd repeat aloud in a public place. While double standards exist, so will the problem.All that apart WE WON 1-0 & WE'RE THIRD IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP. The dream goes on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Paki is just a shortened version of Pakistani - its literal meaning is 'the pure' - so why should anyone be afraid of being called pure? A native from Kazakhstan is a Kazakh, someone from Uzbekistan is an Uzbek; so why is someone from Pakistan not allowed to be called a Paki?perhaps the song should be changed to "I'd rather be a Kazakh than a taff?"It isn't just that anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted December 16, 2007 Admin Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Paki is just a shortened version of Pakistani - its literal meaning is 'the pure' - so why should anyone be afraid of being called pure? A native from Kazakhstan is a Kazakh, someone from Uzbekistan is an Uzbek; so why is someone from Pakistan not allowed to be called a Paki?perhaps the song should be changed to "I'd rather be a Kazakh than a taff?"Come on, are you really trying to convince anyone that you are so ignorant that you don't know the meaning of the song to be "I'd rather be <something the singer of the song considers to be derogatory> than a taff"?That very definition means any word descriptive of someone's race used in this song would be racist.I've heard it sang using the world "Gashead" before as well. Do you think the singers were claiming it was a good thing to be a Gashead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Racist chanting needs to be challenged straight after it leaves the gobs of these potato heads. When I was at the Wolves game an ugly, thin, goofy bloke in the row behind & about 10 seats along yelled in the Wolves fans' direction, "Your're just a town of P***s".Sadly I could hear this chant too so way behind me at this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daisybcfc Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Paki is just a shortened version of Pakistani - its literal meaning is 'the pure' - so why should anyone be afraid of being called pure? A native from Kazakhstan is a Kazakh, someone from Uzbekistan is an Uzbek; so why is someone from Pakistan not allowed to be called a Paki?perhaps the song should be changed to "I'd rather be a Kazakh than a taff?"don't play dumb... you know that its different because of the people in our society we live in using it as an abusive term. also the correct term for someone from pakistan is pakistani not paki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted December 16, 2007 Admin Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 It isn't just that anymore.For the benefit of "old man terry", Google would like to help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Head Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Surely because, as I understand it, and have been brought up to understand, that using the P word because it is derrogatory then that makes anyone using that word racist?Is "Paki" a derrogatory term and likely to be classed as a racist term? Isn't it an abbreviation of Pakistani? Like a "Scot" or a "Pole". Are Jock or taffy rascist terms? What has the world come to - the horror of it all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seend Red Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 You're going round in circles now, don't you think that if we had an Asian player in our squad and he heard people chanting that yesterday he might not have been a little bit upsetBut we don't? And when the Cardiff lot are singing anti-english songs do the English players get upset or is that okay because there in the majority...I have said before, just because it goes on does not make it ok.I don't think any one has said it's okay! the point being made is this has been going on for longer than Ive been alive and it will never stop, the minority who partake in these chants are mainly teenagers who sing it for the crack with there mates to wind up the Cardiff lot with out any thought to content of the chant.I feel you being far to emotive regarding this subject and you need to take a step back and see it for what it is. IMO it's more down to ignorance and lack of thought rather than these individuals being hardcore racists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Is "Paki" a derrogatory term and likely to be classed as a racist term?Yes and yes. Particularly in that context.Would you call someone a paki to their face and be surprised at getting a shoeing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOLMANDAN Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 As a supporter of 30 + years and having stood on the East end I personally think more fuss is made by the do gooders amongst our own supporters than actually by the authorities themselfs ie the police Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOLMANDAN Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 Yes and yes. Particularly in that context.Would you call someone a paki to their face and be surprised at getting a shoeing?what by a "PAKI" are vthey weaker than us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 16, 2007 Report Share Posted December 16, 2007 I don't think any one has said it's okay!Actually several posters have.the point being made is this has been going on for longer than Ive been alive and it will never stop,Yes it will. Much progress has been made sorting out racism. It's on the decrease and has been for a while.the minority who partake in these chants are mainly teenagers who sing it for the crack with there mates to wind up the Cardiff lot with out any thought to content of the chant.I feel you being far to emotive regarding this subject and you need to take a step back and see it for what it is. IMO it's more down to ignorance and lack of thought rather than these individuals being hardcore racists.I fail to see how anyone can be ignorant of how offensive that chant can be in this day and age - were they feral children raised by wolves or something?Besides which ignorance is no excuse, and attempting to excuse it is counterproductive to stopping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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