ScottishRed

2 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Maybe but it isn't going to happen for the reasons I gave. Which means Morris can walk away - probably with £20m from local council tax payers as well to pay off his debt to MSD. What the late Christopher Hitchens described as socialism for the rich.

Which again, is totally wrong. As I have mentioned previously on this thread, if I lived in Derby that would make me more than a little angry.

I am certain that the council could find better ways to spend £20m but probably don’t want to be the ones that ruin the ‘ We got away with it ‘ party.

30 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Your response is correct no doubt and of course there is no ethical dimension in the sense that the Morrises of this world tend to see paying taxes as rather optional. Why pay up when you can spend £10m on a player instead - and not pay that debt either - and have the fans adoring you?

Banks don't lend to football clubs because they are too high risk and it won't look good for them if they put a club out of business if it defaults. They know they would get the blame rather than the owner.

HMRC is in the same position. Though nobody is much bothered if they put a little club out of business (apart from 5 minutes of crocodile tears from the media) if they were to liquidate a club the size of Derby they would be portrayed as the evil empire. So they'll give the club leeway they wouldn't give to some poor sod running a small business in Derby and accept a fraction of what is due.

The only way football is going to get it's act together is if it's forced to by a regulator but if that doesn't happen then sooner or later HMRC is going to have to put a significant club out of business to encourage the others to comply.

Which summarises  my point perfectly.

As a tax payer I would prefer to see Derby County wound up even if that means HMRC get nothing, it will prove that HMRC are serious about the collection of taxes from financially cheating football clubs.

In addition, I believe it would deter any other questionable owners following the same path.

2 hours ago, chinapig said:

Who knows? There has largely been silence about this.

There have been claims that HMRC have accepted 35p in the £ to be paid over 3 years but I haven't seen any reputable source confirm this. Others may have though.

In January HMRC made a statement insisting they do not do sweetheart deals and always insist on the full amount due being paid.

But in the same statement they said they never accept less than a court would award, which seems like a bit of a get out clause.

If they settle for 35p they are going to set a precedent (though not a legal one I think) and possibly get a backlash from clubs who pay their taxes in full.

I still think this one will run and run.

 

I would be hugely surprised if HMRC agreed to this, legal or not, it is still a precedent that stretches across all businesses not just football.

I think that there will be a huge backlash from tax payers both corporate and individual who see a football club getting a sweetheart deal - it is simply not acceptable.

If the new ‘owner’ is prepared to pick-up the full bill, then no problem but it sets up a very dangerous scenario going forward. There will be companies out there queuing up to offer 35% of their tax bill rather than the full amount.

it is totally immoral if true.

2 hours ago, maxjak said:

Every dog has its day.................and they haven't won anything yet?   One of the main reasons they have had success in Europe IMHO  is due to the fact  they only play 4 or 5 difficult domestic games a season.....whereas Premier League sides hardly ever have an easy game?

I am ABSOLUTELY NO FAN of either of the bigot brothers, BUT, Rangers have done well to get to the final. 

It is a great achievement, much as I despise them.

So many on here do not understand the whole issue with these two odious clubs. As a Scot, who has spent half his life around here - and I am in my sixties, I know it only too well .

He would be a loss - I was not convinced about him, but he has completely proved me wrong.

There will obviously be offers this summer and in my opinion it will be the lad himself and, of course his agent, that will have the final say on what happens.

If his head gets turned by a PL club and ££ he will go. I think some of the numbers talked about are fanciful, if someone offers £10m he will be off.

It is far from clear how the market will pan out this summer at our level, but in the PL it will be business as usual.

According to BBC Sport he is on their short list of 4 for final interview later this week. 

Given that he spent some time as a player at Hearts that will not go down too well.

Appleton is apparently also on the short list - Swiss Tony as CEO?  Would not be a surprise.

31 minutes ago, leader said:

Surely there’s a musician out there who could knock out a decent song for us fans to sing with a bit of gusto  ….. drink up thee cider as had it’s day  we never sing the red robin   Anyone out there willing to give it a go 

 Brilliant. Just what we need, a new song. 

That will solve all of our issues.

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Registration window ended at the end of the winter window.

Also he cannot play against his own club.

Actually, very good point regarding the registration window.

1 minute ago, The Gasbuster said:

Depends when his loan ends I guess.

Would assume Boro won’t allow him to play against them.

I think the rule about not playing against your parent club would be enforced.

If however, the loan ends next weekend then he possibility could play for Boro.

20 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

I loved that bloke, when he first hit our screens I wasn’t into food at all and couldn’t boil an egg. By the time Floyd in France had aired I was cooking Soup de Poisson and Boeuf bourguignon. 

I once visited his pub, The Maltsers Arms on the river Dart, which he renamed Floyds Inn (Sometimes) A lovely pub which I still visit, now I live quite close. Much to my delight he was in when I visited and was a laugh, the food that day wasn’t up to much, just reheated stuff.

A few months later it had gone bust and closed. A great character and foodie but a terrible businessman.

 

Visited his pub a good few times back in the day.

Actually always ate well there - no complaints. He was always around the times I visited but more in a supervisorory role rather than actually cooking. As is well known, it could be said Keith liked a drink, I remember on one occasion when a tray of food was waiting to be delivered to a table he stuck his finger in to a bowl of mash to test it was warm enough!

He was certainly a character.

It will be the time onhoured problem - young, promising player AND his agent, get their head turned by a big club and their sack fulls of cash.

Hope, he, and all the young tyros stay, but we will lose some. It is the way the game works, not just a BCFC problem.

Very sad news.

He is known in Scotland, by all fans, as ‘The Goalie’, as a term of affection and respect.

Checkered personal life, but that was up to him, no judgement here.

In his day, he was a helluva keeper.

Keep fighting Andy.

45 minutes ago, The Coach said:

With Burnley home to Wolves and Everton away to Liverpool. Have to start wondering if Burnley can do the great escape. 

Everton are in serious  trouble. It is a derby against Liverpool obviously but,I don’t fancy them given how Liverpool are playing.

4 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

And, probably; another million quid to Joe and Bobby as promotion bonus payments...

Precisely.

Get promoted then get relegated, you are set- up, it is an utterly unfair competition, which FFP makes worse.

Imagine if SL decided that no matter the cost, he wanted promotion, despite the fact he has the money, he cannot  do it.

It is a cartel and to break out of that you have to be extremely fortunate.

7 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

It’s got miles worse though.

The old first division was far more even than this, winning the Premier League is virtually a closed shop, now the same clubs joining it & leaving it do so almost every year.

The Premier Leaugue actually has around 20/ 21 teams in it, although some of them have to swap divisions for a season or so.

Parachute payments make the whole thing completely unfair they should be abolished..........clearly no chance of that.

2 hours ago, Super said:

Well done to all fans at Anfield tonight

 

Fantastic! Shows the football family in the way that they should be.

6 hours ago, Robbored said:

Losing a child is worst kind of loss any parent can have. It doesn’t matter how the loss occurred the terrible grief is the same.

Fortunately that kind of loss is not something that I’ve experienced but I’ve seen several others that have and some never quite get over it. It’s a dreadful experience.

As some may remember I sadly had to post regarding the disgusting behavior of some of my son’s friends at the Huddersfield game - apparently celebrating his life.

Gab was 21 and died last September, the pain of losing a child is beyond anything.

My heart goes out to the Ronaldo’s and hope that in time they can find some peace.

4 minutes ago, RobintheRed Red said:

Neither first time no more bullshit from him i cant put up with it 

The additional smugness would be unbearable.

Full respect to Rooney, he has done a very decent job in very difficult circumstances.

I have a sneaky feeling that he may well leave soon unless matters off the pitch get resolved quickly, which looks highly unlikely.

There have been reports this morning that Burnley could be interested and if Everton go down Lampard won’t survive.

Whilst I would be gobsmacked, nothing would really be a surprise when it comes to the owner and the Johnson family.

I can see Nige walking - lots of potential reasons - but the main one for me is that he will and has ruffled feathers and that will not have gone down well.

Also, and I think this is key, Nige will be in a financially secure position, sure he is of a vintage that when he was a player he would not be earning the astronomical sums that players do now, but as a coach / manager he will have had some good contracts and will not be worried about his next mortgage payment.

IF, he walks, I am afraid LJ would be in the prime position to get the job.

31 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Kieran Maguire said again this morning that on the basis of his bid HMRC are going to have to compromise their position and that unsecured creditors are going to have to take "an absolute hammering".

Far from a done deal still.

I simply cannot see HMRC compromising their position one jot. 

2 hours ago, Mattredrobin said:

Don't know if it's been mentioned anywhere else but he was on talksport yesterday and they asked him were there any clubs he wanted to manage but never got too... he said bristol city were one he always wanted but the opportunity never came up. Said he always had fun with the fans and would've enjoyed it here. Wish him all the best with his retirement. 

He always mentions us in these type of discussions- makes you wonder where we would have got to had he been given the gig.

I loved him.

But, let’s be honest, football was not his main focus, given the talent he has, he may regret that one day.

He could have been a real star but his focus was never really on it.

Anyway, good luck to him for whatever comes next, I am sure he will get a contract somewhere, and he may still surprise us all but, I doubt it.

1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said:

Have the council actually come and said they are willing to buy the stadium? I've seen a lot of chat from Derby parties that seem to suggest it's a done deal...but the latest reliable news (from 4 April) suggests that this isn't quite the case.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-60989047.amp

"Derby City Council's chief executive has played down suggestions it could buy Derby County's stadium...In a statement released to the Local Democracy Reporting Service, Mr Simpson said the council has been working with "Team Derby" - made up of business, civic and political leaders in the city - to try and help the Rams survive despite its "extremely challenging financial position"...

"Our preference is for a buyer to purchase the club and stadium outright."

 

 

I suppose it depends to an extent on the amount asked for the ground but I pretty sure there would be uproar in Derby if this were to happen, particularly in the current state public sector finances are in.

Yes ok, one club city, but far from all council tax payers are WRDC fans or even football fans full stop.

Way to many hurdles to overcome and money is running out, I see CK pulling out pretty sharpish.

Administrators have gone for the only game in town with their fingers firmly crossed behind their backs.

I would be more than surprised if HMRC agreed to any CVA that did not pay them in full.

Not only does that create a very dangerous precedent it would also cause outrage amongst the general public in these very difficult times.

As a tax payer I would certainly be less than impressed and I am sure I would be in a large majority.