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1 hour ago, Nugget said:

That balloon burst years ago

3 hours ago, italian dave said:

And away from home we’ve played 6 of those 7 and lost only one. (After a Sheff Wed player was incorrectly not sent off!).

As for some time now, we do better away from Ashton Gate.

Any connection with the all pervading negativity around here? 

No.  All to do with how those teams set up at home as opposed to away.  We can’t breakdown teams who defend from the start and score from a breakout.  Tactics wrong

8 minutes ago, Bat Fastard said:

I tend to agree and think that Nigel had the greater depth.  Maybe Manning will surprise us all. 

And pigs might fly

8 hours ago, TDarwall said:

Pearson was doomed from the start really.  As with Cotterill he's not Steve's cup of tea so it was only ever a matter of time.  Sometimes I think SL can't cope with confrontational characters or it might be he's more comfortable dealing with corporate types that he's built his successful career out of. As many have said, he should have got in the best people he could afford to run the club & got out of their way.

SL, imo, has no idea of how to manage.  He needs to bring in proper qualified people……like Gould!

47 minutes ago, redsquirrel said:

send tinnion and manning on a scouting mission to the north pole for a few months

if a one way ticket, I will willingly contribute

3 minutes ago, Natchfever said:

I think they would have to off Tinnion also, and as much as id love that, it wont happen.

Yes, it could.  A player revolt led by the likes of James, Wells, Kimg etc could see end of Manning.

if we fail to win in next 3 games, change will happen

4 hours ago, Clevedon Red said:

Jeez this forum is full of belters.

Disagree.  Full of long time supporters who have seen it all, and recognise a downward projectory when they see it.

We are so far off the top division it is difficult to know what we do whilst the Lansdowns Tinnion and Manning remain.

So sad after we had in Nige and Gould two who could have, imo,  given backing

3 minutes ago, red panda said:

I thought I'd resurrect this thread (I could have chosen many others) just to illustrate how much our collective mood can change in the course of just two games.

I don't want to come across too happy clappy, as yesterday was bad.  But .....

• football is a often game of very fine margins, and that includes many of our matches.  I think we've played 23 games in all competitions under LM and only 3 have been decided by more than one goal (our wins over Watford & Southamption, and defeat to Preston); and
• it's easy to look at the league table and think that victories over Boro and Southampton (plus West Ham and holding Forest over 210 mins) make us world beaters, and then defeats to QPR and Wednesday make us relegation candidates.  But over the last 5 games, QPR and Wednesday have actually picked up more points than either Boro or Southampton (others can hunt around for other form tables if they want - I just chose 5 games because my goto league table - the BBC's - also shows form over the last 5 games).

My conclusion is that things might not be quite as bad as they seem right now, just as they probably weren't quite as good as they might have seemed after the Southampton match.  Boring, I know ....

This is, imo, not the point.  It is that Manning is out of his depth in terms of man management and tactics.  That will only change when Manning goes.  It is so depressing that the Lansdowns never learn

What Manning should, but won’t

Bring the team together and have open no holds barred discussion on what has gone wrong.

Strikes me King, James, Naismith et al will know exactly what needs to be done. 
 

This would demonstrate great management skills rather than Manning’s 19th century approach of only were the workers to do what they are told everything would be ok.

i have said in the past from SL down there is no evidence of modern management skills at the club.

we are an amateurish outfit from top to bottom.  Nige brought light into the darkness but the light was snuffed out - hence out of depth Manning

See Manning has now attacked referee as a reason for defeat.

What a complete fool

3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

My answer Dave is to stop changing our style to suit the opposition. I've noticed that. We set ourselves up depending on the opposition. 

We've been down this road with LJ before. You need to have an identity and impose that on the opposition. Let them worry about our identity. Tweak it on a game by game basis by all means but we're not doing that. We are setting ourselves up to so say take advantage of the oppositions weaknesses. 

Trying to be too clever basically. Over thinking it, over complicating it. 

It seems they spent all week working on that move and then Wednesday figured it out pretty quickly. 

Exactly 

Over two decades of the Lansdowns; please let it stop.

What a dreadful appointment Manning was.

I have said it for years that they need, with managerial appointments, to bring in expert advisers who know about the game.  And please don’t say we have Tinnion, because he has become a large part of the problem.

1 minute ago, George Rs said:

Yes I was thinking the same, lost all composure in the midfield which ultimately decided the game, TGH looked nifty at times but there wasn’t anything sticking it all together. 
 

James, Williams, King all ooc and wouldn’t be surprised if Naismith leaves. Would be extremely risky to not replace that experience and let it all go at the same time. 
 

I really hope Manning can replicate what he did at Oxford, bring in a few of his own players and after a full pre season really push on. But I fear the far more likely alternative is spending £8-10m on players he wants, it not work out and he’s gone by Christmas. And then we are almost back where we started 4 years ago. 

Or 40 years ago!

43 minutes ago, Banjo Island said:

Why is it most of our manager appointments appear to have had a charisma bypass operation

Because they have been appointed by SL, JL, and now BT who are not in the first rank of people involved in football WITH charisma.

NP was an exception as was Gould (father and son)

Manning’s post match interview was that of a beaten man (and I don’t mean just defeat today),

Blaming the players is a poor managerial position to take,  Accepting no blame himself.  His hangdog expression and lacklustre words give me zero optimism.  If he is here next August I fear the worst.  Yet on last 180 minutes he may well not survive to next year.

Question for the incompetent three - Do you honestly believe this man can take us to the top division ?  because I can’t see in his record, with us and before, any grounds for such beliefs.

Put bluntly, Manning has lost the team and the fans, or at least a match or two at the most from doing so.

22 minutes ago, !james said:

Sack the board

If we had one.  

15 minutes ago, phantom said:

Do we really have to go over this again...... I just don't have the words to express how much I like this post!

Yes, of course we do

1 hour ago, robinforlife2 said:

"We're Bristol City, We Moan Every Week"

Like every other fans forum.

The only way to stop, or at least staunch, the moaning is to have a charismatic 20+ striker.  Fat chance, unless we find one from our youth set up.

would I make the long overnight and expensive trip to AG for potentially the rubbish served up against QPR?   Short answer, NO.  Long answer, DEFINITELY NO.

This is meant to be part of the entertainments industry but before you get pitchside

No, or little, thought about how fans get to ground

Really poor catering.  Take a look at catering at short form cricket.

impossible PA syste.  No improvement over 70years ago

Embarrassing celebration of our finest(?} moments

uncomfortable seating

8 hours ago, Tomo said:

Let's hope that the start of MK Dons 22/23 season is not replicated for us in 24/25

Quote: 'Following an awful start to the season that found his side in the relegation zone, Manning was sacked on 11 December 2022 having accumulated just fifteen points from twenty matches, six points from safety and only off the bottom on goal difference'

 

My fear too.  As they say another LJ

2 minutes ago, Ashton Fete said:

Because ‘buy in’ means I can see the style and impact it can have and has been shown as West Ham, Forest and Southampton to name the most obvious games

i haven’t said we are a top 6 side, that was Jon Lansdown’s lack of credibility comment around sacking Nige when he should have just been honest.

 

Sorry still disagree profoundly. We had similar random good results under Pearson with a far inferior squad.  It’s not the wins that you judge a coach by but the defeats, imo

7 minutes ago, Ashton Fete said:

I buy into what Manning is doing and I think after a summer turnover I think next season is going to be the best for some years

But yesterday he got pretty much everything key wrong from starters to subs to formation/tactics chasing the game

Hopefully he’ll learn a lot from it!!!

What evidence do you have for your first paragraph ?

PS If we already have a top six side why would we need ‘a summer turnover’ - tweaking perhaps but not turnover

On 14/02/2024 at 12:43, steviestevieneville said:

. This isn’t aimed at you . Some of our fans though will think , just because we beat boro & soton we’ll automatically beat QPR & sheff we’d. Then go into meltdown if we don’t . 

It is the way of the defeat yesterday which concerns many of us - bereft of ideas, bereft of skill, bereft of fight.

2 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

It wasn't. But I suspect the vast majority of posters on here are bored shitless of both

a) the cohort that ignore every single win but claim Manning is the worst manager ever and about to relegate us each time we lose.

b) the cohort that ignore every defeat but claim Manning is the best manager ever and about to promote us each time we win,.

 

At the moment, Manning is doing a steady, unremarkable job. It's not what we were promised when NP was sacked but neither is it terrible. There's been performances that give reasons for optimism and performances that give reasons for pessimism. It's a bit weird and frustrating how some posters are determined to be completely absolutist one way or the other about a manager where there is nothing to be absolutist about. 

But being absolutist, in all senses of that word, is precisely what JL & BT are, ie appointing Manning as Head Coach and not Manager, they said, or inferred, would see the team in top six, where we should have been according to them .  All that was needed was a young coach with new ideas rather than stuffy out of date Nigel Pearson.  Well that’s working well.