Sheltons Army

Just now, BCFCGav said:

Mind boggling is expecting the Lansdown’s to magically become capable and oversee us go up. Definition of insanity!

Go up ?

Right now I’d be happy to see us heading towards next season without the prospect of a serious relegation fight and as it stands that looks more likely without Manning than with him

Just now, Malago said:

It was regarding staying in the championship.  If we’d lost today our championship future really would have been a lot more precarious.  Not getting relegated might not matter to you, but it does to me.

And looking a bit further past that....

Doesnt matter does it .....

As for your wet attempt at sarcasm I am confident I’ve seen more relegations than you have , so yes it does matter

1 minute ago, BCFCGav said:

Back him. He’s had 6 months and a window where the one big player we signed has been unlucky with injury. And the Lansdown’s would screw up the replacement anyway!

What let him spend the nest egg ?

Based on what evidence exactly

As for the last sentence that sums up some of our fans

‘If hes  crap why bother replacing him because we are likely to replace him with crap’

Mind Boggling

5 minutes ago, Malago said:

We won a game we had to win.  That’s all that matters.

It’s not ‘all that matters’ though , is it

2 minutes ago, mozo said:

Exactly Tim, and I really think it's important to separate an analysis of Manning, and the rubbish that the board said four months ago. We know they were chatting shit. Let's move on.

Let’s ignore what the clueless spouted

You don’t think we’ve regressed since he came in ?

Seriously ?

Lets move on ..... and let him do what LJ did and carve out the best bits of the squad (Manual p43 para 4) whilst he tinkers with his vision 

Now we have a bloke ‘Ray from Kingswood ‘  on RB who doesn’t go very often but normally listens on radio , who  says fans should be more positive and give LM time as he needs new signings 

Its been like some alternative comedy spoof post match

Ed Hadwin is a complete plumb

fml

Hadwin claiming that he’s seen evidence that we are getting better as a side and talking about player overhaul in the summer 

What a load of b******

2 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said:

When we’ve been in the form we’ve been in recently result is the most important thing. We were constantly on the front foot mid week but lost the game. What people won’t mention is the subs that Manning made changed the game…

4 minutes ago, frenchred said:

And Matt Withers sugar coating it

He seemed really triggered 

Bizarre 

1 minute ago, Randy Marsh II said:

I don't want to see the finished product of what he's trying to build tbh

The reality is , in facts , and if we open our eyes and watch , that since his arrival we have gone gradually backwards and backwards

These players aren’t having him

Im not sure there’s any evidence , at all  , to justify supporting him in the summer as it stands

Ismael sacked by Watford 

Thats a shock 

10 minutes ago, Redstart said:

They're not going to pay Manning off already, so I'd bring Warnock in to work with him until the end of the season. Then see where we are at. 

I have just a mild hunch that Warnock and LM May have different ideas in a few areas ! 

I like NW and over the years would have liked to see what he could do here , but I’m not sure I can think of many working relationships less likely to work 

I know jealousy is a bad trait , but

3 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said:

 

Cursed that didn’t I  

Have a ️

Ohhhhh COD you Beautyyyyyyy

Man Ure and Ipswich winning isn’t a great start to the afternoon is it

20 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

On a bizarre basis, it’s actually a bit of a risk:reward question.

If you can play the style well, it can be entertaining. It can let you steamroller teams. The problem is the margin - if you play it not even badly but less well the dropoff is more pronounced than other styles - so you are either 100% effective or 40% effective. Essentially played well you have ball and move quickly, finding gaps at pace. If you’re not great at it, you have ball but it becomes very slow and defendable.

And that’s the risk:reward. It’s like being on Who Wants To Be A Millionare - having £500k and knowing if you get it right you win big but if you get it wrong, you lose 90% of your winnings. And the odds are, unless you’re spectacularly intelligent or spectacularly lucky, you will lose those winnings more often than not.

Agreed Silv

Entertainment wise

I look at Man City and I enjoy watching them to a large degree , but I actually enjoy watching them not because  of the playing ethos and style but more so because of the quite brilliant ability and individual moments that win them the game 

Yes , their ethos has proved successful but I’d suggest that it’s been successful more so because of the individual brilliance of some incredible players 

I know I am talking Man City but the overall principle and pros and cons are the same 

To have a degree of control and possession  in the first two thirds is not a massive ask or task

With a relatively slow , controlled progression , opening up the opposition in the final third certainly is

Ipswich are far more entertaining to watch (Grrrrrr) than we are ever likely to be , and a lot easier to recruit for and continue

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Out of interest, with your past experiences, how wedded to playing styles do you think the modern day player is?  And how different are the playing styles, if you take out the extremes.

Kal Naismith at Luton (under Jones) and Bristol City (under Pearson) for example.

My simplistic view is that good players can adapt.

There are examples where it appears very sensible to have a certain type of player, e.g. target man for a direct team.  But then I would look at Ipswich and they play with Hirst (now injured) and Moore, yet predominantly try to play it through the thirds.  Even Sheffield Wednesday start build-up phase with their keeper and centre-backs in the penalty area.

I think Dave , ( and it’s a very limited general over view without the depth of current knowledge or understanding as some on here)

Firstly I think the levels vary

In simple terms despite playing against similar generally quality opposition Premier League Players I would suggest not only the best in terms of coping with the technical possession / control ethos, but also adaptable enough and athletic enough to be adaptable to all sorts of styles

From that point ‘downwards’ I think that it becomes less easy to find players so adaptable , and in particular to find the required quality players for a technical / control ethos - At our level and certainly below it appears that you have to accept some compromises

Technically good but not totally physically robust , or athletic etc

Id agree good players can adapt , the better (level) they are , as a general rule , the more adaptable

I think it’s a playing ethos that puts real focus not only the HC but on the quality of the recruitment team because IMO its the ethos that takes you down the ‘narrowest’ route.

My gut feel at this level is that it’s far more realistic (And cheaper) for us to recruit ‘good players’ adaptable to a number of other styles and MOP than it is for us to recruit ‘good players’ for a possession / control / technical ethos.

if that makes sense

I think we are heading down a ‘difficult’ choice of route where success is dependent on an excellent coaching team and an really excellent recruitment team.

And where it is easy for things to unravel 

10 minutes ago, Fuber said:

Thought he was a on a roll the delusional moron. Needs his bread examined.

(My last)

Upper Crust Jon told fans that realising he’d been let down , had told Brian Gavin that he ‘Was Toast’ and explained that ‘after everything it was the yeast he could do’

And on the playing ethos

Are we not just about to put our foot down on the accelerator as we turn left  in terms of our playing philosophy ie Recruitment

Because , if we continue with LM (As I absolutely believe they will) then you absolutely have to back him and his playing philosophy in terms of the profile of players in

You surely cannot contemplate recruiting without concentrating on his key wants in player profiles and then expect him to be successful (Actually this Club probably could)

But with any degree of sense , if they believe he’s worth running with then I’d expect recruitment to reflect that

So next season we have a mix of players some specifically recruited for the new playing ethos , some possibly adaptable, some not suitable ....... 

Where do you go then if you bale out on Manning ?

Continue coach recruitment and player recruitment to this new philosophy

And every window LM stays we will be assembling players largely suited to a particular style and having followed that route you are committed to it for the foreseeable few years I’d suggest

A significant crossroads for us I’d suggest , with implications that will result , positive or negative , far beyond LM and his tenure here

5 minutes ago, Fuber said:

Oh crumbs. Poor Brian.

But Brian thought he had a job for loaf , took his eye off the Boule though 

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

And that’s where I see the flaw, and apologies for repeating myself, I don’t think he’ll ever have the players here to play his way, a pure way, the hardest way to play (his words).

The playing philosophy , and it appears one he’s totally focused on , is a big concern for me , and I agree with you regarding the quality of players , and even then he has to be an excellent coach of this style , not ok , excellent , in terms of knowledge and delivery on the grass , (Besides the man management , in game management , etc etc as a head man) to make it successful 

I would suggest that it’s the hardest , and most complicated playing philosophy to coach 

And

For success , the best ?

For entertainment the best ?

2 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Just what we knead.

Might leave Brian a bit sour dough

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Excellent shout.

+++++

Plus the forum positivity from bread gags too.  Win-win!

It is a sensible suggestion @Fuber

Ex City trader so no mug , Academy background and decent amount of managing at this level too

You would think he has a decent experience in key areas and a good chance of a decent , sensible perspective 

34 minutes ago, sunningdalered said:

Pity he wasn't being asked to explain how they intend to square the circle on playing staff vs the managers preferred playing style without a wholesale change in the squad. 

Absolutely ,

for me , the current biggest elephant in the room