Rebounder

1 hour ago, Dynamite Red said:

Marseille, amazing stadium and wonderful city.

 

 

Yeah Marseille would be good to visit. 

I've always wanted to go to Braga as that's a pretty unique ground. 

Inverness Cally because of where it is situated. 

24 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I’d like you’re issue one if still available?

just received my green un through the post, as beautiful in the flesh as it is online. I love the cover

thanks Stan and co

I'll have a look this weekend pretty sure I know where it is. Send me a message tomorrow if I haven't messaged you already to remind you. 

Just read issue 2 - great. Really enjoyed the interview with Foreign Concept. Such a shame Swu.FM shut down and with it the critical podcast stopped. 

If there aren't any copies of OSIB #1 left I'm happy for someone to take mine for free as I'm unlikely get around to reading it again. Maybe you can make a donation to OSIB. (I'll have to find it though as I've moved things around recently and not sure where I put it.) 

42 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Did we really do that fireworks thing 15 ,years ago? I thought that was more recent. 

I've noticed when others have told similar stories, that the result is often the last thing that affects whether they return or not. It might be the atmosphere, the off the field experience, an individual event or player, but the actual result never seems to matter.

I can't match @cidered abroad but this season coming up will be my 58th, I wish I knew the very first game, but the first I recall was a 4-0 hammering of Charlton Athletic in September '66, again not because of the result but because I met my cousin for the first time, a visiting Charlton fan and I actually remember the walk along Ashton Rd more than the game.

Think we were doing it in the late 90's early 2000's. Gas games in particular. 

I loved night games at Ashton Gate back then. 

This does make me a feel a bit old. That game does not seem 15 years ago. 

On 01/03/2023 at 14:26, Fordy62 said:

If only there was a way he could have avoided being arrested…

True we never see examples of police using their power excessively especially at football. 

I guess the only people that really know in this situation will be the people there. I'm sure there is more to the story than second hand information from Dad. 

Scott rightly get plaudits, but I think Cameron Lewis Moir-Pring is having a solid game. 

13 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Since when did the term Ultras become part of English football? It is a European football term. Is it proof that Bristolians did not vote for Brexit? 

It was used for the first time by Corinthian Casuals around 1910 if I remember correctly. 

Ahead of the curve those boys. 

Hull is one of my earliest football memories I think. 

Just did a search and think it was this one as I remember we thrashed them. Only 5k in attendance apparently! 

https://youtu.be/Z2FZl5PktCc

1 hour ago, robin_unreliant said:

Yet PL clubs seem to have no issues selling tickets. So called cost of living crisis doesn't seem to stop fans paying these inflated prices.

Certain fans. 

A bit of old techno for a Tuesday morning. 

https://youtu.be/0gR36KtaHUs

Yeah amazing scenes. Loved the celebrations and I have a soft spot for the Scottish FA Cup as me and my Dad always used to joke about the names when they came up on Soccer Saturday. Keith being a particular favourite. 

Jim Goodwin I always thought was a decent lower league DM limited by injured. Don't think he'll last much longer in this role. 

10 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Once……..20 odd of years ago. Got a free ticket as well…………

Is it 20 years already? 

14 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I hate to make you look stupid….

The manager who took Yeovil up from league one was Gary Johnson.

Marcus Stewart was not in the squad.

It's all a bit embarrassing really this. 

The points being made don't even mean anything to us. Even if Johnson rubbed people up the wrong way, never managed above us after he left and had a goalkeeper that peaked as a mid-table championship keeper it doesn't affect what he did with us. He ultimately got us promoted, united a club, and nearly took us up again. It fell apart eventually, but it's very rare that doesn't happen at some point. It doesn't matter what he did after he left us, or if we punched above our weight as a squad, they were good times with lots of good memories. 

What are we meant to be getting upset about? I think we are all aware of the limitations that squad had. Hell Bristol Rovers would be thriving on the plucky underdog vibes grinding out results like we did for that first season. 

On 07/01/2023 at 12:57, lenred said:

Taking about a one off win as if it was a pinnacle of our clubs history is why we will never progress.  Yes, it was a fantastic night no doubting it, but to still be celebrating it 5 years later…..well.  
So many equivalent teams have done so much better than us over the last twenty years - Cardiff - League Cup final, Championship title, 2 seasons in the Premier League.  Wigan - 8 seasons in the Prem, won the FA Cup as well as reaching another semi losing on pens, European football. Swansea - 8 years in the Prem and won the League Cup. Pompey in the Prem and Europe.  Brentford ripping up the Prem at the moment.   The list goes on and on.  We need to up our expectations.   

Interesting list there considering two of the clubs nearly folded due to the money spent bringing the success, and Cardiff are at a high risk of long term problems and had the heart ripped out of them. Swansea have had a wobbly time too, but seem to be okay on the whole? Makes you wonder if it's worth it. 

46 minutes ago, Deluded Sag said:

Keepers of the standard of Nigel Martyn? Basso was also grossly overrated - did absolutely nothing after C*ty. Martyn played for England and was recognized as one of the best keepers in the PL. 

I imagine some of your older contemporaries also wish they couldn't remember Twerton. C*ty took some real hammerings there and the 1989/90 season is still a source of real and obvious distress and even trauma for them. 

 

Martyn was a quality 'keeper no arguments there. Rovers have plenty of decent players over the years. You were focused on Phillips as if you got one over us, but it's never been a big deal as we got the better 'keeper and moved on. Basso reached his peak with us and left at the age of 33 irc so I'm not surprised he didn't do much after. 

I'm aware of our record at Twerton, but I'm in my mid-30's and I can't remember any of it. Think about that for a second. 

I do have some good memories of games against Rovers and miss the derbys to an extent. Mad to think that kids these days don't have any awareness of them. You really are grasping at straws. 

2 hours ago, Deluded Sag said:

Were there any indications that you were a City fan? I wouldn't take it personally - he really didn't like your club by the time he left. His celebrations after the JPT area final victory made that quite clear. 

At Rovers he came across as a difficult, but not unlikeable, character. I have the utmost admiration for him as a goalkeeper. 

 

Which probably tells you the standard of goalkeepers you've had over the years. Phillips was a decent Goalkeeper for mid to upper league one teams, but obviously lacking in several areas. We replaced him with someone who was a good Championship keeper who also lacked in several areas to get the step above. 

Not sure why anyone is really responding with vitriol to this stuff as the best he's got is a period of time when they were playing in Twerton and apparently good. A JPT win and having our League One 'Keeper from us when we didn't want him anymore.  I don't even remember Twerton because I was about 5, and no one under the age of 30 can really remember playing them in the league. It's laughable really. 

33 minutes ago, Deluded Sag said:

You're more than welcome to register on the Independent forum. However, bear in mind that unlike OTIB it is frequented by a higher species of Bristolian who can think, type and eat at the same time. 

What took you so far from wonderful South Bristol to the US? 

The Indep

Bless. 

Every time I stand up at football I do a line a coke. Fact. 

17 hours ago, Red Skin said:

Congratulations Sam.  Watching these homegrown players make an impact is fantastic and one of the main reasons I go to football, along with watching attacking play.  I appreciate that NP has his faults, but he has managed the introduction of our academy players really well.  Long may it continue. 

It was one of the things that tempted me back for a few games this year. I really wanted to see the likes of Scott and Semenyo before they move on. 

Regardless of what he was like off the pitch Louis was quality at times for us and led from the back. Seems he's doing well post playing career, and it's good to go away from what you know like Tinnion eventually did. 

Some people appear more aloof, or find smaller interactions harder to manage. I'd imagine for the role he has now he has to have good interpersonal skills, commitment and boundaries to support the young people in their transition. Good luck to him.

1 hour ago, BrizzleRed said:

Understand where you’re coming from re the labels issue, but they can be viewed in multiple ways.  They can most certainly carry negative connotations to many people and cause a great deal of resentment though.

Yes, gays can certainly be more prone to insults from mindless individuals, but while things sre improving, unfortunattely we don’t live in a perfect world.  It’s unrealistic to expect that everything could actually be perfect.  

Life is tough for everyone in different ways.  Try telling the poor folks living in shop doorways who are getting pee’d on by drunks, that they are actually straight privilaged and maybe white privilaged too.

There’s a big danger when you start pinning what may be viewd by many as a negative label as being straight privilaged.  Instead of helping the cause of gay people, you could just be fuelling further resentment in tbe straight community.  

Same goes for any other privilage label out there, because in spite of what you explained earlier, that still appears to categorise a huge number of the population in a negative way, like it or not.
 

 

Things aren't really getting better at the moment though. They are regressing as hate crimes have been rising over recent years and we had a full on shooting spree at a gay bar in America just last year. There is still a lot to be vigilant about and we shouldn't accept people being attacked due to their sexuality as a way of life - just like we shouldn't accept it if straight person was attacked simply for being straight. (Though I agree we'll never stop all of it )

I do think there are massive issues with using the words Privileged, as when you're a white kid on an estate it's hard to really see that as privilege. I can see though that the black people I grew up with had more challenges to face even if our economic backgrounds were the same. For example a Black Woman is much more likely to have to deal with Sexism and Racism than I did in the UK growing up and as an adult.  That's all that people are saying. 

That's not to say the white straight male has had an incredibly Privileged life. 

4 hours ago, BrizzleRed said:

Interesting points Rebounder, but I think we massively differ on your second paragraph, given the huge and disproportionate power advantage Israel hold over the Palestinians.  

The Israeli state seems incapable of taking criticism and it often claims any legitimate criticism of their treatment of the Palestinian people as being anti-semitic.  

The beleagered Palestinians, virtually imprisoned in the ever shrinking scrap of their own land they’ve been left with, don’t have the luxury of that extra shield!

I’m far from saying anti-semitism doesn’t exist, but there do seem to be many people who try to dodge straightforward criticism by claiming it’s anti-semitic.

As for my previous post, the equality issues I’m referring to are more to do with the negative aspects of the ever growing woke culture.  

My problem with it is, although promoted as positive action, it can often be negative.  Rather than promoting equality, very often the woke community actually increase division.  Whether it’s racial issues, sexual orientation, climate change or whatever, they aren’t celebrating what we as a people have in common, but are just magnifying and arguing over the differences.  

Not only that, but there is often no tolerance of alternative views.   Rather than agreeing to disagree, cancel culture often kicks in and there is a concerted drive to destroy anyone who persists with an alternative opinion to theirs.  We’ve seen many examples of this and we are never going to achieve the harmony most people would prefer while this ideolo

 

gy persists. 

I can’t ever remember so many divisions in this country during my lifetime and we are now getting to the ridiculous situation when even the gay and trans communities are now forced into battling each other.

I agree with you there are people who are deliberately sowing and benefitting from this division, though I suspect much of this comes from powerful individuals and self interest groups, with the government just being dragged along, rather than actually leading.

While this situation is allowed to continue, imho we’ve got zero chance of real equality, as that wouldn’t suit many of the same self-interest groups, as it would diminish their own power.

 

Yeah fair thanks. 

On Palestine - I was losely around some of the groups in Bristol and it was quite clear how Anti-Semitism was easily slipped into there unchallenged. Even if it wasn't intentional for some it was there. I only truly recognised it when I reflected back. I think we largely agree in Palestine, but there are massive issues with both sides of the debate.

If we are now more divided then ever did things like the Bus Boycott, Brixton Riots, Southmead, Hartcliffe and St Paul's riots not happen? Were there not suppression of the miners strikes, poll tax riots, stonewall riots etc. Those are just some of the social upheavals that spring to mind out of many that existed before I was born. Speaking to people I know from then it doesn't sound like it was a time of harmony and equality. That ignoring the huge geo political situations that were happening then too. 

I think what has changed since then is that lot of discrimination has been fought against, and the Internet has changed how information is shared and the world has got a lot smaller with everything more in our faces. Groups of people who didn't have a space for their voice, from all backgrounds, now have access to potentially millions of viewers through social media and services like YouTube etc. It's one of the biggest changes since Industrialization here and we are still trying to get to grips with it. 

I do agree that people jump down peoples throats too quickly and are to quick to fire accusations without even trying to understand where someone is coming from, or how they developed. I don't think you can squarely lay the blame at the feet of woke people.

If you think that it's solely woke people and cancel culture that are the issue then that means ignoring Incel Ideolgy, the Alt-Right, and all the other grubby stuff that's out there that is also polluting the water. I fail to see how they are promoting our similarities, but it becomes an issue of wokeness if they are challenged? 

I am not a fan of cancelling people, but I do think people have a right to challenge something they don't agree with just as much as someone has the right to say it. The people who love to talk about woke people are often the same people crying because of criticism of the royal family after the Queen died. Feels that cancel culture is okay when it's the right voices being cancelled. 

Thanks anyway - I don't fully agree with what you've said and where the issues lie, but I just think it's more complicated than simply being an issue with wokeness and I don't believe that we are necessarily more divided, it's just in our faces more. 

12 hours ago, BrizzleRed said:

There’s also an important thing that’s often passed over in these sort of situations.  

Whilst ‘mainstream’ society is told it should be accepting and tolerant towards the various minority groups, that same same level of tolerance doesn’t seem to be expected from the minority groups themselves.

Until that gets addressed, we’ll probably never get to a point where we reach true equality for everyone sadly.

Again I don't think that's completely true, but I do agree in some ways that certain elements of the circles I have mixed in have been guilty in the stuff they've overlooked when supporting certain groups. I don't want to fall into left and right narratives, but the left rightly do get pulled up on this both internally and externally though not enoguh. Due to the nature of the right it's much easier for them to pick and choose what's acceptable. 

Can you give some examples of where equality isn't expected both ways? Genuinely is helpful and I can probably think of some too. Like I remember when I was quite young and naive I didn't realise how much Anti-Semitism there was in Pro Palestine groups (not all) and how easy it was for it to slip in. Made me very wary of those groups and the people that mix in them. Also supporting groups on a racial issue, but maybe ignoring their blatant sexism?  Do you mean that kind of stuff? 

Really there can never be true equality in this country, but not due to these issues. We are taught to hate and distrust eachother whilst the people that control our essential resources make record profits. Government's (left and right) and the people that support them rely on there being an enemy that they can deflect that on too, whether it's working class people striking, migrants, people who use drugs, people that need benefits, or the young people. It's never them and the people they support. In my opinion at least

1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

Are jokes not able to offend whatever subject you want,be it racism,sexuality or religion because at the moment it’s clearly people getting offended on others behalf (I’m going to use the I have loads of black friends stereotype because I actually do) and none either young or old couldn’t care less if you call them black or coloured but the PC brigade say it must be black,as for Mohammad and religious jokes that’s a minefield but God jokes fill your boots 

Is it clearly people getting offended on others behalf though? That's not been my experience. A lot of my female friends find jokes about rape distasteful for example. I can understand why those jokes are really problematic now even though growing up I just thought they were funny. I used to think Sickapedia was the funniest thing on the internet. 

I know my family network used to make a lot of racist jokes which had an impact on me as a teenager and that's why I think it's good to think carefully about the narratives you're feeding into. Like a lot of white people I have been racist in the past and said racist jokes. I could either double down on that and talk about how everyone's so easily offended, or I could reflect on my behaviour to understand where it came from, the impact it had and think about how I want to be moving forward. 

As far as I know no black person I have ever been friends with, or worked with has had a problem with being called black and that's always how they've described themselves so why would I say coloured? Some really don't like the word coloured particularly those around my age as it was dying out then - so naturally I am not going to use it. I also recognise that it's not helpful to jump down peoples throat if they do use it, and that just because someone does use it that they are racist. I know for a fact I am not perfect. 

It's worth remembering that we are not one homogenous groups of people. I couldn't speak for the entire LGBT community and there will be people that would disagree with me - I definitely disagree with others a lot. Just like not all black people agree about what is racist, and what's not. It's more complex than a set of binary laws made in Westminster. 

In terms of comedy whose making the jokes? I have been to see a Muslim comedian who uses some of his experiences in comedy. It was really funny and also interesting to hear from his perspective. I guess that could feed into a narrative, but it was really clever and thoughtful rather than "Mohamad :laugh:." I've also seen some great comedies made by people who grew up in a similar environment to me and it was way better than any of the shit made by posh public school/university kids. Making jokes about your own culture is quite different to making them about someone else's in my opinion, but maybe that's wrong? I also don't think it's necessarily true you cant make a joke about another culture, but I think it's a lot harder to do without falling into tropes and merely causing offence. So be good at it and clever I guess? 

Comedy always sails a bit close to the wind and sometimes it oversteps it. I don't feel it's as under attack as people make out as there are some great small comedy nights around. You won't necessarily find much racism. Not only because its not accepted, but because what's left of that material that hasn't been said already? 

Sorry for the long post again.