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55 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

sorry................JFH ?

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink - Burton Manager. Sorry was being lazy. 

19 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

To add to the points made here.

When you look at our stats for last season, our first half points per game had us in the top 10; whilst the 2nd half we were 23rd or 24th.

In short, teams tend to regroup and suss us out at half time; and then implement the transitions needed in order to stop us playing.

The fundamental difference between halves today was in the second half they applied a 4/5 man press on our back three that stopped the passing channels into our midfield. City from 52 to about 80 min (until Sunderland sat back and tried to protect what they had) seized to exist as a coherant team. It was awful to watch.

This isn't a new thing (as per my comments above about last season's stats), and we obviously saw it at Hull last week as well.

Without the differential of Semenyeo, with his unpredictability, pace & power we are pedestrian in our approach. I lost track today of how many passes there were back to Bentley to just hoof the ball upheld.

The worst time for me was around the 80 min mark, where as above Sunderland started to sit back.

The lack of drive, urgency & energy in the side was clear to see. To such an extent that both Scott & Weimann were having to drop deep into our own half to pick the ball up in order to drive us forward. Where was Williams or Massengo? They were missing at this stage.

Only 2 of the starting 11 where new, and one of those was a L1 player a few months ago, who was playing in a relatively new position (only played there a couple of times for Oxford).

Who would have thought we would have seen Vyner again 6 months ago? It's a measure of where we are at the moment unfortunately.

We are struggling I'm afraid. Still relatively little productivity from our wing backs; and 3.5 years of seeing JD drag his shots wide of the same post after being out through is getting tedious in the extreme.

Definitely agree about the press in the second half it absolutely killed us and we had no answer to it. 

36 minutes ago, Swede said:

I see your opposition played for 89 minutes today with ten men. So it's hardly surprising you won.

Reckon JFH could be on his way soon. They weren't very happy with him last year. 

Really nice post thanks for sharing! My Dad died a year ago and this weekend I'm going to my first game since then which will be great, but also reflective. 

Those relationships that are built often at a young age is what football is all about imo. 

2 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Here you go: https://streamja.com/roLJV

That is something else. 

Echo all the above and hope for a steady recovery for Marvin! 

My Dad always used to point him out before a game when I was a kid. Sad to here very much part of the match day routine. 

On 05/07/2022 at 17:08, Silvio Dante said:

Update: This is one hell of a thread!

 

I read this yesterday after noticing that Staines are now showing as defunct. There is also an FSA report here: https://thefsa.org.uk/news/staines-town-130-year-history-kicked-into-long-grass/

Sounds like it was dodgy from the start. 

30 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

I'm not really sure where you see there being this big advantage in where each set of supporters sit. Care to elaborate & back it up with evidence..?

Most clubs house away fans behind the goal & I'd imagine has any direct relation to their home results. 

I don't think professional footballers are effected too much by where who's fans are sat & I'm struggling to think of any examples of where it makes any notable difference to a teams advantage. 

Big followings, big home crowds etc, position of supporters etc - rarely makes any difference to how the team end up performing. 

Inclined to agree, but do many clubs give teams a whole end? I watched Rangers Vs West Ham last night as I was near by and they had the 2.5k West Ham fans in the corner. I thought they gave them the upper tier too at first, but they hadn't. Rangers also had their noisy fans in the same stand so it made for a good atmosphere for a friendly. Appreciate this might be harder to recreate at Ashton Gate. 

34 minutes ago, phantom said:

I stand corrected 

That's pretty cool. They hold (held?) a festival down at Dean Park skate park every year it's a good site and nice to see it get some exposure. 

Think they died (RIP) definitely one of the OTIB characters. 

I guess as we've seen there are some arguments against maintaining an academy especially now, but I'm glad we went the other way. 

44 minutes ago, Pezo said:

Who was it that kept bring that up? It was a bit strange that it was brought up every week almost like expecting the team to have changed since the previous week.

Was it Ashton Yate? Think there's someone with that name now, but it's not the same one. Could be wrong mind was a long time ago. 

26 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

 

Their forum said they had disbanded their youth team.

I'm sure that I've read some English teams have done this for cost reasons as there are going to be lots of overheads in running a youth team / academy.

IIRC our Academy was being heavily questioned for the paucity of decent youth products in the first ten years but it has really shown its worth these last ten years.

There was a thread on here every week about it for a while or so it seemed. All came together in the end.

That interview was painful. Where did Simon Jordan post that? Guys clearly got some stuff he needs to work through. (Just seen Jordan posted it on Twitter)

1 minute ago, elhombrecito said:

Indeed. The actual results are a bit different...

They do look like something Jon Lansdown would come up with so pretty good.

31 minutes ago, swanker said:

payed a very good wages for what they did and were still up for a back hander. 

Lets see if they get what they deserve?

Generally for people like that the normal rules don't apply. 

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

I guess it's the controversy about betting sponsors that allows that. No I get that sponsors paying lots of money want all the exposure they can get, and there are some I've liked . Just a shame.

Does have a tinge of green in it to my eyes.

Agreed it's definitely a shame. 

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

Looks ok, I'd need to see the full thing but I think I like it.

Is it just me, or would it be good to get the option of no sponsors logo?
I know all the contractual things, and I do know it isn't going to happen and  it's to raise the companies profile etc etc. But I do think back to the old days of plain shirts and really like that old uncluttered look.

Bournemouth are offering sponsor free shirts for adults if they want as they are sponsored by Dafabet. Generally though companies who sponsor aren't going to want to do this. 

Not listened to it yet, but nice to see Kate Masters name pop up.  

I'm really glad that the Junior Reds are back. Football gave me a huge connection to my Dad and going to the gate and seeing those familiar faces made it feel like family. 

30 minutes ago, Tin Soldier said:

Yeh, we went.
Camped in tents in a big park (always travelled 5 star back in those days!) in Stockholm for a few nights, well dodgy. Sweden had a firm called The Black Army or something (skinheads) and were looking for small groups of England fans to pick off before the Sweden game. The OB encircled the whole park to prevent a full scale toe to toe breaking out. Few hundred England but sounded like a lot more Swedish. They were protecting us!

Remember there being a lot of scousers there, plotting up/ on the thieving, big mobs who were robbing all the smart shops in Stockholm. Got some old photos of the trip somewhere and will dig them out one day. Think we got the choo, choo to Stockholm but my memory is fooked. I remember England lost and we left the ground early to wander in to a fall scale clash between England and the OB outside whilst the game was still going on.

Was at Italia 90 also and following England in those days was never boring. Just glad I survived it looking back. Always plenty of City away with England in those days. Several still post on here.

Just before my time but would love to see any pictures. 

I believe it was that game Vs Plymouth. 

25 minutes ago, Never to the dark side said:

can you recall what year it was?

and what away match were they returning from?

Thanks

https://www.nytimes.com/1983/05/15/world/stonehenge-defaced-by-soccer-followers.html

35 minutes ago, BS2 Red said:

I wondered how it actually started and found this on Wikipedia. I blame the Byzantines! And 70 year old drunk women! 

 

Violence generally associated with team sporting events and their outcomes possesses a documented history, going at least as far back as the Nika Riotsduring the Byzantine Empire.

The first instance of violence associated with modern team sports is unknown, but the phenomenon of football related violence can be traced back to 14th-century England. In 1314, Edward II banned football (at that time, a violent, unruly activity involving rival villages kicking a pig's bladder across the local heath) because he believed the disorder surrounding matches might lead to social unrest, or even treason.^[8] According to a University of Liverpool academic paper, conflict at an 1846 match in Derby, England, required a reading of the riot act and two groups of dragoons to effectively respond to the disorderly crowd. This same paper also identified "pitch invasions" as a common occurrence during the 1880s in English football.^[9]

The first recorded instances of football hooliganism in the modern game allegedly occurred during the 1880s in England, a period when gangs of supporters would intimidate neighbourhoods, in addition to attacking referees, opposing supporters and players. In 1885, after Preston North End beat Aston Villa 5–0 in a friendly match, both teams were pelted with stones, attacked with sticks, punched, kicked and spat at. One Preston player was beaten so severely that he lost consciousness and press reports at the time described the fans as "howling roughs".^[8] The following year, Preston fans fought Queen's Park fans in a railway station—the first alleged instance of football hooliganism outside of a match. In 1905, a number of Preston fans were triedfor hooliganism, including a "drunk and disorderly" 70-year-old woman, following their match against Blackburn Rovers.^[8]

Although instances of football crowd violence and disorder have been a feature of association football throughout its history^[10] (e.g. Millwall's ground was reportedly closed in 1920, 1934 and 1950 after crowd disturbances), the phenomenon only started to gain the media's attention in the late 1950s due to the re-emergence of violence in Latin American football. In the 1955–56 English football season, Liverpool and Everton fans were involved in a number of incidents and, by the 1960s, an average of 25 hooligan incidents were being reported each year in England. The label "football hooliganism" first began to appear in the English media in the mid-1960s,^[11] leading to increased media interest in, and reporting of, acts of disorder. It has been argued that this, in turn, created a 'moral panic' out of proportion with the scale of the actual problem.

The greens and blues. I remember listening to a podcast about Byzantium and there were long sections on it. They were often used by different ruling factions to dominate the other and I think they potentially played a role in overthrowing a leader but it's ages since I listened to it. 

There's and article about it, but I just skimmed.  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/blue-versus-green-rocking-the-byzantine-empire-113325928/

2 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Under the cosh is completely different style and content. Our Cub fan Podcasts tend to focus on the years around City, and are a little more reverent . Under the Cosh like the stories about fights, the incidents and doesn't hold back on the language.
They can be brilliant, warts and all sort of stories. Kevin Cambell is a good one too.

Yeah have listened to quite a few including Campbell's which was great.. Found some of them a bit samey and full of lad stories, but I was probably over listening during the lockdown so will dip back into a few more. Will listen to Orr's in that case cheers. 

4 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Decent listen, comes across well. Love getting those little insights of a time you were only getting odd snippets from the Club.

Another one to check out, Jeff Winter. Very funny.

Need to get around to listening to this one. I'm quite interested in the stories from Refs. 

Is the Orr interview that different to the OSIB one? Suspect many of the stories are along the same lines but may have a dip in.