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2 hours ago, HoldenBall said:

I can guarantee any midfielder you are thinking of would of put more effort then Lansbury 

Tony Dining.

Lansbury had very little impact here - but was part of a pretty dreadful period here.

I don't think anyone would have come in & looked great.

20 hours ago, NickJ said:

So we’ve overtaken Carlisle?

Are you deliberately being dense...?

2 minutes ago, NickJ said:

Who have we overtaken?

Seriously..?!

Look at the league 1 table for a start...

Booking fees are annoying, no doubt - but everything has them.

Concert, theatre, cinema aswell I think...

It's not just something we have made up.

Why booking fees can't just be swallowed up in the actual vostok is annoying.

I'd rather pay £35 for a ticket than £30 plus £5 booking fee - for some reason..!

20 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Thanks for bringing the stadium back into the conversation.

If Rovers spend big and get promoted then fair enough, any promotion is tough, but the wage bills for the various divisions tell the story about what is needed in terms of quality, there is a big difference.

Having an 'eye for midfielders' is not enough in itself if the signings are all loans.

The joint owners have one thing right, these things do take time. Why they then try to take short cuts is a mystery.

I think the "these things take time" probably referred to their temporary new stand...!

2 minutes ago, Fred89 said:

Wigan Portsmouth are a similar size club to us, those 2 teams have bypassed us and won FA Cups and also been in the Premier League for over 6 seasons each while we have been floating around in League 1.

The fact our club has had one play off chance of Premier League football in 20 years while teams like Luton can got to the conference and back qualify for 2 consecutive playoffs and win them

The fact Blackpool can win a playoffs come down and make another playoff final straight away having signed no one

The fact Brentford can Languish in League 1 to 2 for years and suddenly come up qualify for 3 playoffs and 2 finals win one and now be on the way to being a sustainable premier league club

The fact Bournemouth can win consecutive promotions from League 2 all the way to the Premiership and stay there for 5 years All on similar if not worse budgets to ours!

At least Derby have had promotions and looked likely to go up again 

Dont butter it up with not having a divine right, we haven’t even been in the competition for it!!!! something has been very wrong at our club on the pitch for a long time ! We are seeing promising signs now but if we aren’t up there this year then we need to ask why!

Even national media were questioning it at the end of last season “biggest club to never see premiership football “ articles I seen! 
It is ridiculous 

I get the frustration, of course!

Many clubs seem to find that magic formula, which we seem to never quite nail at this level.

Having said that - we are in the right position to be 1 excellent season away from getting to the top flight - after a ridiculous length of period away from it.

Every year we fail to achieve it, the harder it gets as other go up & come back with added financial clout to compete with.

23 other teams probably have similar aspirations at the start of each season - so it's not easy!

Plenty of other clubs would swap with our position in a heartbeat- but yes, we absolutely need to have that golden period ourselves, soon.

2 hours ago, Hot Air said:

L1 includes Bolton and Barnsley, two clubs who have played in the PL within living memory, unlike BCFC. 

Reading, Derby, Charlton, Portsmouth, Blackpool, Wigan (Ipswich a bit longer ago) ......

19 minutes ago, Barry Sheene said:

Everyone of the above named clubs have been to the promised land and one even won a trophy like the FA cup 

Yes, exactly & we have over taken them, for now....

3 minutes ago, Lewisdabaron said:

So i “litterally” didnt defend it then. Thanks for clarifying.  

You rubbished those who stood up against it - so yes.!

2 hours ago, Lewisdabaron said:

“Literally backing”

Maybe read my posts again 

No need, thanks.

Several people stood up against his vlaims of moronic bullying of a dad out with his kids  & you said that grown men were crying about it.

I hope, if you have young kids & are ever out in a public place & some moronic yob starts hurling "dogs abuse" at you in front of them - you get people standing up for you - and I doubt if they do, that you'd tell them to "stop crying about it".

Some things cross a line & hurling abuse (not a little bit of banter, but "dogs abuse") the way of a dad out with his kids for a day out, is pretty classless, scummy, idiotic & bullying behaviour. 

40 minutes ago, johnbytheriver said:

Glad we agree!

You can't just have an over entitled whinge about clubs overtaking us & not balance it with looking at clubs that we have over taken.

We have no more devine right to success than any other club. 

Of course it can be frustrating - but how do you think the likes of Derby, Wigan, Ipswich, Portsmouth etc feel..?.

5 hours ago, Lewisdabaron said:

What were you “tempted” to say to the kids parents in a Barca top?
 

It’s none of your business what football tops kids wear. 

On the Rovers thread you are literally backing the bloke who said he hurled Dogs abuse at a bloke at Paddington who was with his kids wearing Rovers shirts & claiming that those who are shooting him down for it are "grown men crying about it"..!!

5 minutes ago, johnbytheriver said:

Just another example of a club that have overtaken us!

Plenty have over taken us.... we have over taken plenty of others...

That's football..!

1 hour ago, myol'man said:

Just as we arrived at Paddington on our way home from Millwall, just happened to bump into their new fake sheikh owner, with his kids all wearing the blue and white clowns outfit.  **** me did we give him dogs abuse!

You gave a bloke who was at a train station with his kids "dogs abuse"..?

1 hour ago, PFree said:

Okay, we are all disappointed Alex is gone, but:

1) Every player wants to play at their highest possible level, you can forgive Alex and any other player for that.

2) Alex will get a massive pay rise on what generally is a short career, why wouldn’t he snap their hand off.

3) Perhaps with the exception now of Man City and Newcastle all other clubs are selling clubs.

4) We lose loads of money every year and have no option but it regularly sell to help stay afloat.

5) This is a sign our policy of bringing youngsters through and selling them on is working.

6) The only time this will change is when we reach the promised land...and even then we will still be a selling club, it is part of being a footy fan sadly!

BUT, we have  a much stronger squad, and some of this money will be used to strengthen us further.

COYR 

 

Especially as we all knew it was happening - it's not like we've been taken by surprise with an unexpected deadline day offer we can't refuse....

He's been gone in my mind since the end of last season & it's been inevitable since then.

Good luck to him & all we can hope for now is that he does well & gets a massive money move again to net us some extra sell on clause money.

Been a pleasure to watch but that's football & we have new players who can hopefully fill the void left.

5..!

13 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

There’s also a section about “marginal gains“ and GN notes how overrated this concept is in the English game. Neville stresses the importance of top class coaching being far more important as this is the backbone of any player development, marginal gains are merely that very, very marginal differences, which rather blows a hole in LJ’s philosophy!

Does GN's opinion "blow a hole" in any manageras ideas/theories..?

I wouldn't have thought his record stood up well enough to make his opinion mean alot & his one real role model & inspiration (SAF) was the absolute master of marginal gains & mind games -.

Stating that top class coaching is more important is hardly an earth shattering  view point.

Marginal gains are just that - marginal..!

13 hours ago, Full nelson said:

Nice flag! Shame about the Rovers till I die

I bet they are prowed of that flag.....

10 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

I think @Davefevs mentioned the same up above. In a pre-internet world (apologies for presuming your age) it absolutely makes sense not to waste column inches with meaningless tables in August.

I found it interesting to see that alphabetical order isn't actually an official method of ranking teams. I suspect there's an unwritten rule that until game 46 has been played you use it in lieu of the playoff.

I also think it must be the disciplinary ranking system of the enigmatic "provision 9.4" that currently places us above Swansea. I've not broken it down forensically but we got 0 yellow and red cards and committed 10 fouls, whereas Swansea got 1 yellow and committed 9 fouls. Points are actually handed out for the nature of the foul/offence rather than whether it's a caution, a yellow, or a red, but I assume we have fewer points than Swansea and so we are above them. 

Yes that would make sense - it was probably a pre-internet thing.

In reality, exact league positions don't matter until the end of games 46 & should anything be that tight between 2 meaningful placings - then the coverage & awareness of the deeper rules would well known before kick off.

I was aware of it tracking back to games against each other, but didn't know that it then took disciplinary records into account.

16 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

Not sure how new it is but if you read the EFL Handbook (Section 3, paragraph 9) then you see that league position is determined as follows:

1. Points;

2. Goal Difference; then

3. Goals Scored.

Normally that's enough, but at the start of a season we often have to go deeper into paragraph 9. When the above are equal you look at:

4. League record between the two teams in question, considering in order:

a) points gained against each other;

b) goal difference in games between each other; then

c) goals scored in games between each other.

But, again, even this can't separate teams like us and Preston who drew 1-1 in the only game we've played so far. So, we now look at:

5. Number of wins; 

6. Goals in away games; and

7. The provisions of paragraph 9.4 - which is a points system based on fouls, yellows, and reds.

If that's still not enough at the end of a season then it's a playoff.

So, basically right now it's Preston's away goal trumping out home goal, at step 6 above that gets them higher up.

Technically the alphabet never comes into it, but I think the BBC and other media outlets use it as a tiebreaker in order to display the table properly.

Interesting to know!

Is just my failing memory, or is it the case that when I was younger they didn't even produce league table until 3.? Games into the season.?

I could be imagining that - but I'm sure they never used to bother...

1 hour ago, bcfc01 said:

Pitch is obviously the same for both teams.

Preston didn't have too many problems passing.

Probably because they appeared to be better prepared than our players, first to the 2nd ball, sharp, and looked stronger and fitter.

Nothing to do with the pitch imo.

More down to the conditioning of the players.

Half their team were going down with cramp in the second half.

We were poor today, but out fitness levels looked better than theirs. 

24 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

 

So one or two of the starting XI were, in your opinions, surprising, and you've then voluntarily ascribed your opinions to be those of "most". Ok fair enough.

Wells' form in pre-season was decent so I'm not sure it was that mad to pick him over Conway. As for Sykes/Cornick - I personally would have gone Sykes, but I can understand Cornick. I'd not really qualify either as a "baffling" decision though.

It's a question of language I guess, I think "baffling" is a little overblown.

I'd disagree. I found the decision to start Cornick ahead of Sykes baffling - hence the descriptive of "baffling"

You may not agree with it  & that's you perogative.

For me, it was baffling & to those who sit around me.

3 minutes ago, Mayes86 said:

Better than the coke heads/pre pubescents sneaking in cans of Haze to stand constantly and pissing everyone off, that were in E34 today.

The ones who think singing "I can't read & I can't write....." is either clever, funny or ironic.... rather than cringing embarrassing..?!

It should be great having a singing section in that area - but it is just embarrassing. 

Just now, OddBallJim said:

I needed a wee and I was hungry? Jheez.

You stood in the queue for a pie to have a wee.?

Or did they not have any pies available at the urinals.?!

Just now, OddBallJim said:

Not when you consider I got in the queue at 40 mins (I.e. still in the first half technically).

******* crap.

I never understand going to a football match & then missing nearly 10 mins of the match to go & stand in a queue.

It's like people who start heading for the exits on 80/85 mins...

Always makes me wonder why they bother going in the first place.

In fairness, I was at the Mansfield match - so would never leave a game early.!