italian dave

It all started after the Stade de France incident, didn’t it? And I get that big sporting events are a potential target for terrorism. But it’s all pretty half hearted and ineffective, isn’t it? It evidently fails to stop people getting flares into the ground, so I doubt it would actually stop anything more sinister.

Taken Friday… (and please note the bin!!)

Found this article by him… https://www.leedsunited.news/news/phil-hay-comments-on-han-noah-massengo-interest-will-be-difficult-for-leeds-to-do/

On the face of it, sounds like that ticket transfer system should do what you need. I’m assuming you’ve got all your ticketing accounts linked. The only slight doubt might be that it’s being forwarded to someone who’s already got a season ticket, so not sure whether it will cope with that. It might be worth giving the club a call. They’ve always been really helpful whenever I’ve had a query on something like this. It seems like a fairly straightforward question. And there must be other supporters with children who might be in a similar position. I guess the other option is to just swap your phones around as appropriate for the day.

Peterborough and the Kawarthas…….Barenaked Ladies

Don’t look at the matchday threads August to May then ??

But you said he wasn't a top class defender for this division and that he was "average". I just feel that his stats across his career suggest otherwise. Whether he was a waste of money is a retrospective judgement and hindsight is always a great help! It's subjective: I'd still argue that he's been consistently one of if not our best player over the 5 years he's been with us and that represents good value. I'd agree that the last 18 months when he was injured didn't, but that's nothing to do with his ability. But more to the point, your original comment wasn't about hindsight - you said that the £8m was "crazy money" at the time we bought him. I don't think that was the case. Pre covid that's what a half decent championship defender went for. We were buying someone with a great track record in the division and who we'd had the benefit of seeing for a season and knowing what he could do.

On the contrary. Across the whole of his 5 seasons with us we've been in the top half more often that not (130 out of 230 match days). And if you take out the last two seasons, when he was injured for long spells, then we've been in the top half for a good 90% of the time he's been with us (112 out of 138 match days).

“Good” is a bit vague. My post was in response to a post that specifically talked about him being ‘not top class in this division’ and ‘’average to fairly good’. What I’m suggesting is that his record in this division and internationally IS both top class and a lot more than just “average”. And, again, the point of my post, and the one I was responding to, wasn’t about whether it’s turned out to have been good value. It was about what we paid at the time we bought him. £8m was not ‘crazy money’ for someone with his track record and at the time when, as others have pointed out, the likes of Webster sold for £20m. £8m was what you paid for a Championship defender of that stature at the time. Pretty much every City fan was delighted when we sealed that deal.

Gotta love City fans sometimes! Here’s a player who’s got two Championship promotions under his belt, plus another play off season, who’s played 28 times at full international level for a decent national team…….but who’s apparently not good enough for Bristol City and a waste of money. I know football is all about opinions, but sometimes there are some relevant facts in there too.

Yep, for sure, and certainly wasn’t intended to be about looking back…more about looking forward to them potentially joining up again at Coventry, and being a force to be reckoned with there. Fair points about Kalas. I’ll still miss him though - more than the other two. And (again without labouring the past) he’s been part of two Championship promotion campaigns already. I wouldn’t be at all surprised, if he does go to Coventry, that he does it again and we prove to be the exception to that impressive record.

And Eric Cantona. And Carlos Tevez. But apparently not a gas player. Maybe they just view signing for the gas as community service in itself.

My mind is boggling at what’s going though it…….

I admire your loyalty and optimism….but 5th v 14th, I know where I’d rather be! And, yes, I know that’s before all the summer business but it’s still the last true way of measuring it. And for me the jury is still out on our summer business. And back when we had all three fit and playing, we were achieving good top half too. I think Palmer was the one never properly worked out here, but he’s found his role, and they’re playing to his strengths at Coventry. He’s doing well there. Dasilva I think we saw tail end of last season will always do a decent job. And Kalas is just a great defender - an area of weakness for Coventry last season. If Kalas went there, and they can keep them all fit, then I think they’d do a good job. And, of course, they won’t cost anything like they cost us.

Basic criteria should also include “not an arsehole”. Which would rule out your No. 1 ?

I assume they are talking strictly about “the Championship” which only came into being in 03-04. Plain old League1/Division2 before then. But, nevertheless, agree with your overall assessment ?

Ob-La-Di………Marmalade

Yes: I didn’t mean to suggest that it’s never an issue. Apologies if that’s how it came across. It’s a genuine issue for some elderly people, just as it can be a genuine issue for some younger people too. Maybe it’s just a sign of my own advancing years but I get very defensive when I read anything that lumps all elderly people into being unable to manage this new fangled tech ?? Like you, I don’t use my phone to pay for things - but if it came to a nudge to do so then I’d no doubt start, and maybe a bit less reluctantly than you! Partly because if you’ve got a phone anyway, and compatibility issues aside, it really is so easy to use things in the wallet.

As Boris Johnson used to say…..

If the choice is between a £500 phone purely to use for a digital ticket, or paying £10 for a card, then I'd have thought the choice was pretty obvious! And I don't buy the 'old uns can't do it' line. Not saying your uncle wouldn't have a problem, but my 90 year old neighbour does all her shopping on line. Seriously, I'd be happy to bung that fiver for anyone who genuinely can't (as I've already said): what I'm less happy about is bunging a fiver to those who "can't be arsed" to quote an earlier post. Figure out how to distinguish between the two and I'll be quite happy.

One way to view it. The other is that you're going to be charged just the same for your kids' tickets, but you'll get £10 off what you'd otherwise have paid for yours by going digital. But of course there'll never be that level of transparency about how charges are worked out and certainly not when it comes to football finances! It's not uncommon though, is it?

As you say Riaz, they are saving money by going digital. That's the point. Saving money on the admin side so that they have more money to spend on the playing side. So - OTIB - I don't want the savings from my going digital to negate the need for charging for administration, I want it to go on improving what happens on the pitch! As I've said, it doesn't bother me - quite the opposite, I'm happy for people to have the choice. I'm merely saying that in exactly the same way as you now pay a premium to buy energy other than by direct debit, in the same way as you now pay admin fees for changing insurance policies, in the same way as you now pay charges for physical tickets for other events, it's not unreasonable for the club to charge the actual cost of the choices people make. And, yes, I'd be happy for the club to waive those charges where there's a genuine need and its not a choice - but I'm not sure how they establish that given the very evident propensity of some to tell lies! Anyway, enough of that - I agree this isn't a big issue in the scheme of things - it only started it out of a curiosity about how OTIB would have aligned their answering of the questions with a post back on the first page of this thread ?

Don’t know if this helps…..assuming anything 2017 on is OK then this seems to conform which older models have NFC - and by omission which don’t. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFC-enabled_mobile_devices

Ah, OK, I understand now. If you must have a piece of card/plastic then that’s fine: I just think you should pay the extra cost that involves - not me. I imagine the club are using this season to assess the situation. With the evidence that people are willing to tell porkies when they don’t really need a physical ticket then I’m sure that as @!james says a charge will come next year. It’ll be no different to the charges they’ve made in the past for providing a ticket as opposed to printing at home.

I don’t understand what you mean by ‘yes it is’. Thanks though: just interested in whether the club are serious about going digital by default. Seems that they are, and just have to recognise that people will tell porkies to get round that I suppose. The latter though is why the club will be right to pass on the additional costs involved as @!james suggests above. And @Riaz - there’s the reason why: I don’t see why I should pay for that.