BRISTOL86 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 27 minutes ago, reformed_red said: IF we do sign him....I sincerely hope there's an option to buy. IF not, why not just keep Wes and develop him? Unless this Tammy lad is mustard and gets us promoted singlehandedly If we sign this lad after Wes gets loaned out then the simple answer is presumably that we think - at this point in time - that he will offer us more than Wes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, Fat Cigar said: The amount of players Chelsea loan out, or are allowed to loan out, is a disgrace. When I am King, clubs wouldn't be allowed to loan out any more than 5 players per season. Chelsea is where young English talent goes to die. Another rule: you shouldn't be allowed to loan a player out you've only just bought. Should have to wait 2 (maybe 3) years. Would stop top clubs hoarding loads of promising youngsters only to loan them out. Clubs buying a player from X club and then loaning them straight back is ridiculous. Agreed except with the English talent but. It's where any talent goes to die. They've got numerous nationalities in their "academy" who go out on loan. Brazilians, Czechs, English and others. I agree there should be a limit of loans. Maybe 10. Think Chelsea had about 40 on loan last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverRed Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 28 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: If we sign this lad after Wes gets loaned out then the simple answer is presumably that we think - at this point in time - that he will offer us more than Wes. Is he not a different type of player than Wes though? Bigger stature, more in the Wilb's mould. Though I read earlier he was a big, strong player, could be wrong but not a like for like player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 56 minutes ago, DaveF said: There definitely won't be an option to buy. Don't doubt it either mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, ForeverRed said: Is he not a different type of player than Wes though? Bigger stature, more in the Wilb's mould. Though I read earlier he was a big, strong player, could be wrong but not a like for like player? I would say more of a Costa / drogba style striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 33 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: If we sign this lad after Wes gets loaned out then the simple answer is presumably that we think - at this point in time - that he will offer us more than Wes. Agreed. But unless he is genuinely class, and will be first team starter, why have him in / around the squad getting developed and Championship exposure, when we could have kept Wes and allowed him to develop here instead of at Aberdeen? I know the answer will be that there may be more immediate impact from Abraham if his currently ability is better than Wes, but I fail to see the benefit that City will get from such an arrangement.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 38 minutes ago, Fat Cigar said: The amount of players Chelsea loan out, or are allowed to loan out, is a disgrace. When I am King, clubs wouldn't be allowed to loan out any more than 5 players per season. Chelsea is where young English talent goes to die. Another rule: you shouldn't be allowed to loan a player out you've only just bought. Should have to wait 2 (maybe 3) years. Would stop top clubs hoarding loads of promising youngsters only to loan them out. Clubs buying a player from X club and then loaning them straight back is ridiculous. What about work permit issues? Some clubs will sign a young player and a loan to a country where he is eligible is his only was of getting game time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, reformed_red said: Agreed. But unless he is genuinely class, and will be first team starter, why have him in / around the squad getting developed and Championship exposure, when we could have kept Wes and allowed him to develop here instead of at Aberdeen? I know the answer will be that there may be more immediate impact from Abraham if his currently ability is better than Wes, but I fail to see the benefit that City will get from such an arrangement.... Well with Wes tied down for another two years it means he's getting games in the short term and hopefully developing whilst we get the 'immediate' impact and an improved asset (Wes) back afterwards. All hypothetical of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Cigar Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, City169 said: What about work permit issues? Some clubs will sign a young player and a loan to a country where he is eligible is his only was of getting game time That's their problem. And, how many of these youngsters loaned out from Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool etc, go back and make it big? The best ones don't seem (on the whole) to get loaned out. It's the top clubs' way of hoarding talent. And it doesn't actually benefit the player. More a case of a lost few years whilst being pimped out from club to club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, Fat Cigar said: That's their problem. And, how many of these youngsters loaned out from Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool etc, go back and make it big? The best ones don't seem (on the whole) to get loaned out. It's the top clubs' way of hoarding talent. And it doesn't actually benefit the player. More a case of a lost few years whilst being pimped out from club to club. Not disagreeing with that, but if it's a club that isn't hoarding the talent and thinks they can steal this player from one of the Man Citys/Chelseas then they would need the loan possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reformed_red Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Well with Wes tied down for another two years it means he's getting games in the short term and hopefully developing whilst we get the 'immediate' impact and an improved asset (Wes) back afterwards. All hypothetical of course. Yeah - I guess if Wes is happy with that (which he seems to be given comments on another thread), then it's good for all. I just dislike Prem clubs having farm-loads of young talent, and expecting lower-level clubs to take their risk, and charge them for it in the process. Glad we did;t sign Canos for that very reason..... Having said that, I'm sure if Tammy scores on his debut I will post about how much I love the loan system..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 10 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Well with Wes tied down for another two years it means he's getting games in the short term and hopefully developing whilst we get the 'immediate' impact and an improved asset (Wes) back afterwards. All hypothetical of course. Plus playing in Europe, for w while at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Cigar Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 9 minutes ago, City169 said: Not disagreeing with that, but if it's a club that isn't hoarding the talent and thinks they can steal this player from one of the Man Citys/Chelseas then they would need the loan possibility That's fine, but I'd like to see this limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcliffe1990 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 On 5/12/2016 at 16:07, Bs4Red said: Not a rumour, just gauging people's thoughts on signing somebody like this? With LJ links with top premier league clubs surely it could be good to get one of their most talented youngsters on loan? Abraham has been absolutely phenomenal this season for the Chelsea 21s looks a real player. Another player I'd like to see is Thierry Ambrose of Man City. Both players getting to the age where first team football is going to aid their development and they will struggle to get that with their home clubs Where does the Tammy Abraham link stem from, can someone enlighten me? Is this in the works and if so how do we know? And by the way, it's been a great few days signing-wise. The squad is certainly shaping up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat Fastard Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 Although Tammy could be a real bonus to the squad for the coming season, we would still be developing someone else's player and not one of our own. If he ended up being a superstar, he would keep one of our players on the sidelines and create a real void in the team when he had to go back at the end of his loan. Mind you, if he secured the points to guarantee safety or promotion, it would be a super bit of management! I rather hope that we can sign a permanent player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citywest30 Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 20 minutes ago, Redcliffe1990 said: Where does the Tammy Abraham link stem from, can someone enlighten me? Is this in the works and if so how do we know? And by the way, it's been a great few days signing-wise. The squad is certainly shaping up! Came from a Chelsea youth team tweet. Link was at the beginning of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted July 14, 2016 Report Share Posted July 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Redcliffe1990 said: Where does the Tammy Abraham link stem from, can someone enlighten me? Is this in the works and if so how do we know? And by the way, it's been a great few days signing-wise. The squad is certainly shaping up! See post 146 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton_Red Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Starting for England under 19's who are playing now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Understand he's joining on season long loan and is due at the club immediately after England U19s tournament finishes. This loan was agreed with Chelsea and their U21 Management team at the end of last season. There is not an option to buy at the end of the loan as Chelsea see him as a potential first team player in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Option to buy has always been a load of nonsense tbh so no problem there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 We are stepping up our interest, according to the Post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric04 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I heard this one is virtually done but nothing will happen until next week when he's finished playing with the England under-19s and we are back from La Manga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said: We are stepping up our interest, according to the Post. That' s a shame , I thought he could have done a job for us ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Good signing if true, is great to have options, supports Kodjia and we could play two up top if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I spoke to a mate of mine that's a huge Chelsea fan, and he says that both Tammy Abraham and Dominic Solanke look the real deal for their youth teams, and a lot of Chelsea fans were calling for the former to play more games and the latter to come back from loan. If we've actually got a shot of landing Abraham then I think we might unearth a gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I think this story first broke when someone realised Lee Johnson was following Tammy Abraham, Kasey Palmer and Todd Kane on Twitter. I just had a quick look again, read into it what you will, but of those three, LJ has stopped following Abraham.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Alessandro said: I think this story first broke when someone realised Lee Johnson was following Tammy Abraham, Kasey Palmer and Todd Kane on Twitter. I just had a quick look again, read into it what you will, but of those three, LJ has stopped following Abraham.... To try to not raise speculation cus we are in for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Alessandro said: I think this story first broke when someone realised Lee Johnson was following Tammy Abraham, Kasey Palmer and Todd Kane on Twitter. I just had a quick look again, read into it what you will, but of those three, LJ has stopped following Abraham.... Maybe he tweets a lot of shit and LJ got sick of his timeline being spammed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Iron Man said: Maybe he tweets a lot of shit and LJ got sick of his timeline being spammed? You can just mute them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gas8er Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 The latest I have heard is that he came down to Ashton Gate to sign on loan but decided not to when he was informed that he would play mainly for the U21s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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