View from the Dolman Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, City Rocker said: Not sure if this has been clarified, but it does state on the main site: "The club has initially been allocated 2,143 seated tickets" Read more at http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/aston-villa-3509196.aspx#jh3FyJHckHCodhsA.99 The other page says: "A full allocation of 2,413 tickets have been given to the club" http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/villa-ticket-details-released-3509299.aspx Is it 2413 or 2143? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Rocker Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: The other page says: "A full allocation of 2,413 tickets have been given to the club" http://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/villa-ticket-details-released-3509299.aspx Is it 2413 or 2143? Yeah just seen that. Both pages are still live on the main site, contradicting each other. W'happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamB Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 All, We have held further discussions with Aston Villa today. It has been confirmed the 2,413 tickets is a FULL allocation. Their explanation is below. Just a bit of background, as you know according to Football League rules and regulations we have to provide an allocation of 2,000 tickets to supporters of visiting clubs coming to Villa Park. The size of allocation we have been able to give to visiting supporters, throughout the season, has been based on what has been deemed safe for the relevant fixture based on conversations between our safety team and the local authorities. This number has varied match to match from 2,000 up to 2,800 and whilst, as a ticket office, we would like to send everyone as many tickets as we can, safety of supporters will always take priority. For this match, based on intelligence provided by our local authorities, 2,413 tickets were allocated to Bristol City fans to allow us to adequately segregate supporters and ensure the safety of all people attending the match at Villa Park. Regards, Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Now I'm never getting a ticket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, AdamB said: All, We have held further discussions with Aston Villa today. It has been confirmed the 2,413 tickets is a FULL allocation. Their explanation is below. Just a bit of background, as you know according to Football League rules and regulations we have to provide an allocation of 2,000 tickets to supporters of visiting clubs coming to Villa Park. The size of allocation we have been able to give to visiting supporters, throughout the season, has been based on what has been deemed safe for the relevant fixture based on conversations between our safety team and the local authorities. This number has varied match to match from 2,000 up to 2,800 and whilst, as a ticket office, we would like to send everyone as many tickets as we can, safety of supporters will always take priority. For this match, based on intelligence provided by our local authorities, 2,413 tickets were allocated to Bristol City fans to allow us to adequately segregate supporters and ensure the safety of all people attending the match at Villa Park. Regards, Adam Like I said earlier down to WMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leylandsroad Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 I just brought four!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Globe Trotter Posted January 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 49 minutes ago, AdamB said: All, We have held further discussions with Aston Villa today. It has been confirmed the 2,413 tickets is a FULL allocation. Their explanation is below. Just a bit of background, as you know according to Football League rules and regulations we have to provide an allocation of 2,000 tickets to supporters of visiting clubs coming to Villa Park. The size of allocation we have been able to give to visiting supporters, throughout the season, has been based on what has been deemed safe for the relevant fixture based on conversations between our safety team and the local authorities. This number has varied match to match from 2,000 up to 2,800 and whilst, as a ticket office, we would like to send everyone as many tickets as we can, safety of supporters will always take priority. For this match, based on intelligence provided by our local authorities, 2,413 tickets were allocated to Bristol City fans to allow us to adequately segregate supporters and ensure the safety of all people attending the match at Villa Park. Regards, Adam Thanks for posting this update and the explanation provided by villa. Very disappointing though and it seems City fans are being hard done by; I would be interested to know how the authorities decided that approximately 400 more Newcastle fans present less of a safety concern than 2400 city fans. Ultimately this decision will cause more city fans to go in the home end; creating a much greater safety concern imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 2 hours ago, AdamB said: All, We have held further discussions with Aston Villa today. It has been confirmed the 2,413 tickets is a FULL allocation. Their explanation is below. Just a bit of background, as you know according to Football League rules and regulations we have to provide an allocation of 2,000 tickets to supporters of visiting clubs coming to Villa Park. The size of allocation we have been able to give to visiting supporters, throughout the season, has been based on what has been deemed safe for the relevant fixture based on conversations between our safety team and the local authorities. This number has varied match to match from 2,000 up to 2,800 and whilst, as a ticket office, we would like to send everyone as many tickets as we can, safety of supporters will always take priority. For this match, based on intelligence provided by our local authorities, 2,413 tickets were allocated to Bristol City fans to allow us to adequately segregate supporters and ensure the safety of all people attending the match at Villa Park. Regards, Adam Not the club's fault, but I find it unbelievable that recent fixtures against Birmingham and West Brom present less of a threat than a game against us. In both cases the clubs were given 2800 tickets. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-fans-react-villa-9992076 http://mobile.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-west-brom-tickets-villa-park-premier-league-aston-villa-2675984.aspx Not to mention the fact that police forces elsewhere manage to deal with much bigger crowds for games such as United v Liverpool, Newcastle v Sunderland and Celtic v Rangers. It's ridiculous and the club should be pushing for answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 6 hours ago, Scrumpy Dziek said: And booking fees? And beer money ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Not the club's fault, but I find it unbelievable that recent fixtures against Birmingham and West Brom present less of a threat than a game against us. In both cases the clubs were given 2800 tickets. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-fans-react-villa-9992076 http://mobile.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-west-brom-tickets-villa-park-premier-league-aston-villa-2675984.aspx Not to mention the fact that police forces elsewhere manage to deal with much bigger crowds for games such as United v Liverpool, Newcastle v Sunderland and Celtic v Rangers. It's ridiculous and the club should be pushing for answers. All very surprising, can't understand what difference the extra 400 would make, maybe it's just a case of a spiteful West Midlands Police, Walsall was over 25 years ago, get over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 And @ChippenhamRedwe've played at Brum and West Brom recently too, I was at both matches and didn't see any trouble. Shame we can't get more tickets, but to use segregation as a reason is just wrong (unless there is credible intelligence of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 3 hours ago, AdamB said: All, We have held further discussions with Aston Villa today. It has been confirmed the 2,413 tickets is a FULL allocation. Their explanation is below. Just a bit of background, as you know according to Football League rules and regulations we have to provide an allocation of 2,000 tickets to supporters of visiting clubs coming to Villa Park. The size of allocation we have been able to give to visiting supporters, throughout the season, has been based on what has been deemed safe for the relevant fixture based on conversations between our safety team and the local authorities. This number has varied match to match from 2,000 up to 2,800 and whilst, as a ticket office, we would like to send everyone as many tickets as we can, safety of supporters will always take priority. For this match, based on intelligence provided by our local authorities, 2,413 tickets were allocated to Bristol City fans to allow us to adequately segregate supporters and ensure the safety of all people attending the match at Villa Park. Regards, Adam Have Bristol Sport seen fit to challenge this decision? It is, after all, somewhat discriminatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamB Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said: Not the club's fault, but I find it unbelievable that recent fixtures against Birmingham and West Brom present less of a threat than a game against us. In both cases the clubs were given 2800 tickets. http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-fans-react-villa-9992076 http://mobile.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-west-brom-tickets-villa-park-premier-league-aston-villa-2675984.aspx Not to mention the fact that police forces elsewhere manage to deal with much bigger crowds for games such as United v Liverpool, Newcastle v Sunderland and Celtic v Rangers. It's ridiculous and the club should be pushing for answers. The cases you quote don't actually apply in this case. The Birmingham game was in the EFL Cup, where the away allocation rules are different. This season in the EFL Championship (the real comparison) both clubs have agreed to give away fans just 2,000 tickets (ie for the derbies at Villa Park and St Andrew's). The WBA game you quote is in the Premier League, so again different rules apply for away allocations in this competition. United v Liverpool, Newcastle v Sunderland and Celtic v Rangers - none of these are managed by West Midlands Police so again it's irrelevant. (FWIW I've been to the Old Firm and agree on the size of the segregation being tiny). The club requested the full allocation. We have again gone back to Villa to request more in line with other clubs (e.g. The fair comparisons of Newcastle/Preston) but the safety authorities and Police in the West Midlands have denied us the opportunity of taking more fans. Given the rate of sales, the potential for a beamback could be possible. But Villa have complied with the EFL rules and are backed up on their decision by the authorities. Regards Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, AdamB said: The cases you quote don't actually apply in this case. The Birmingham game was in the EFL Cup, where the away allocation rules are different. This season in the EFL Championship (the real comparison) both clubs have agreed to give away fans just 2,000 tickets (ie for the derbies at Villa Park and St Andrew's). The WBA game you quote is in the Premier League, so again different rules apply for away allocations in this competition. United v Liverpool, Newcastle v Sunderland and Celtic v Rangers - none of these are managed by West Midlands Police so again it's irrelevant. (FWIW I've been to the Old Firm and agree on the size of the segregation being tiny). The club requested the full allocation. We have again gone back to Villa to request more in line with other clubs (e.g. The fair comparisons of Newcastle/Preston) but the safety authorities and Police in the West Midlands have denied us the opportunity of taking more fans. Given the rate of sales, the potential for a beamback could be possible. But Villa have complied with the EFL rules and are backed up on their decision by the authorities. Regards Adam If Villa have played by the rules in providing less than 10% of the capacity, and if those rules are 10% or 2k, whichever is least, then my question is this : Why was the home capacity of the Atyeo stand cut to 1,200 in order to accommodate 2,700 away fans (10% of capacity), when the rules dictate that 2,000 was the required minimum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, AdamB said: The cases you quote don't actually apply in this case. The Birmingham game was in the EFL Cup, where the away allocation rules are different. This season in the EFL Championship (the real comparison) both clubs have agreed to give away fans just 2,000 tickets (ie for the derbies at Villa Park and St Andrew's). The WBA game you quote is in the Premier League, so again different rules apply for away allocations in this competition. United v Liverpool, Newcastle v Sunderland and Celtic v Rangers - none of these are managed by West Midlands Police so again it's irrelevant. (FWIW I've been to the Old Firm and agree on the size of the segregation being tiny). The club requested the full allocation. We have again gone back to Villa to request more in line with other clubs (e.g. The fair comparisons of Newcastle/Preston) but the safety authorities and Police in the West Midlands have denied us the opportunity of taking more fans. Given the rate of sales, the potential for a beamback could be possible. But Villa have complied with the EFL rules and are backed up on their decision by the authorities. Regards Adam Thanks for coming back on this Adam. I do appreciate the club has asked for the full allocation and it's good to hear you followed up on the comparison with Newcastle. However I don't agree with everything you say. The fact that those other games were in different competitions is not really the point - the point is that there was the potential for Villa to give us 2,800 tickets in this instance, yet they were not permitted to. Regardless of the rules of the competition, why have WMP denied us the same number of tickets they were willing to give to more local (and surely more potentially troublesome) rivals in the past? That said, I take your point about them only getting 2,000 this time around. And I do of course realise the other games I mentioned are not managed by WMP. The point was that if other police forces can manage much bigger occasions, why do WMP police need to take such a harsh stance for an ordinary league game with an attendance around 30k, with no significant rivalry. It seems excessive. A beamback would be good though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamB Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, Harry said: If Villa have played by the rules in providing less than 10% of the capacity, and if those rules are 10% or 2k, whichever is least, then my question is this : Why was the home capacity of the Atyeo stand cut to 1,200 in order to accommodate 2,700 away fans (10% of capacity), when the rules dictate that 2,000 was the required minimum? I think the disapproval in this thread shows that giving away fans just 2,000 tickets at Ashton Gate would be a bad - and unfair idea. It could also be very damaging financially, which in turn could affect our expenditure (in line with FFP). Circa ten per cent is much fairer at AG. Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Thanks for coming back on this Adam. I do appreciate the club has asked for the full allocation and it's good to hear you followed up on the comparison with Newcastle. However I don't agree with everything you say. The fact that those other games were in different competitions is not really the point - the point is that there was the potential for Villa to give us 2,800 tickets in this instance, yet they were not permitted to. Regardless of the rules of the competition, why have WMP denied us the same number of tickets they were willing to give to more local (and surely more potentially troublesome) rivals in the past? That said, I take your point about them only getting 2,000 this time around. And I do of course realise the other games I mentioned are not managed by WMP. The point was that if other police forces can manage much bigger occasions, why do WMP police need to take such a harsh stance for an ordinary league game with an attendance around 30k, with no significant rivalry. It seems excessive. A beamback would be good though! A beamback would be a very good idea . 4 a season max wasn't it . Or is that wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 got my tickets, delighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 Any idea how many tickets have been sold today? Likely to get to general sale? @AdamB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fontaineofallknowledge Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 How many can you get per season ticket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBibs Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said: How many can you get per season ticket? 1 per season ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fontaineofallknowledge Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, MrBibs said: 1 per season ticket Cheers. That's poor though, should be at least 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Josh Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 If the villa game is postponed is it likely to be played on the 7th February? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 11 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said: Cheers. That's poor though, should be at least 2! Why? 2,400 tickets. 13,600 season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said: Cheers. That's poor though, should be at least 2! Please explain your logic. Hint: literally 1000s of City fans are going to miss out on this one, including season ticket holders. Think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 33 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: Any idea how many tickets have been sold today? Likely to get to general sale? @AdamB I don't expect this to make member sale let alone general sale. I think we'd take 5k if we could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New2City Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 I remember this time last year being uber nervous about getting Leeds away tickets... I am/was a Forever Bristol member at the time (specifically paid the premium just for this instance), and travelling from across the pond with all my hotels, trains, etc already booked. In the end, it all worked out, but I was a super nervous Nellie for quite a few days whilst I waited my turn to purchase tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 10, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 5 hours ago, tommy32 said: Ultimately this decision will cause more city fans to go in the home end; creating a much greater safety concern imho. Won't happen, Villa only sell to people on their database for previously buying tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted January 10, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, New2City said: I remember this time last year being uber nervous about getting Leeds away tickets... I am/was a Forever Bristol member at the time (specifically paid the premium just for this instance), and travelling from across the pond with all my hotels, trains, etc already booked. In the end, it all worked out, but I was a super nervous Nellie for quite a few days whilst I waited my turn to purchase tickets. Getting tickets for Leeds is MASSIVELY different to Villa, these won't make general sale. Currently oonly on sale to Season Tickets plus, then season ticket holders, then members Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted January 10, 2017 Report Share Posted January 10, 2017 3 hours ago, AdamB said: The cases you quote don't actually apply in this case. The Birmingham game was in the EFL Cup, where the away allocation rules are different. This season in the EFL Championship (the real comparison) both clubs have agreed to give away fans just 2,000 tickets (ie for the derbies at Villa Park and St Andrew's). The WBA game you quote is in the Premier League, so again different rules apply for away allocations in this competition. United v Liverpool, Newcastle v Sunderland and Celtic v Rangers - none of these are managed by West Midlands Police so again it's irrelevant. (FWIW I've been to the Old Firm and agree on the size of the segregation being tiny). The club requested the full allocation. We have again gone back to Villa to request more in line with other clubs (e.g. The fair comparisons of Newcastle/Preston) but the safety authorities and Police in the West Midlands have denied us the opportunity of taking more fans. Given the rate of sales, the potential for a beamback could be possible. But Villa have complied with the EFL rules and are backed up on their decision by the authorities. Regards Adam Thanks for the update @AdamB. Can you just confirm with WMP that if the Football Authorities dictate the ticket sales then they don't have a concern about safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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